Surviving & Upsetting Reverski Snipers
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Hit the brakes and let them know you'll wait.
AFAIK, those builds are specifically used because they are so difficult to counter. I mean, if I'm running around in the wild in my normal ship I'm not going to retrofit everything just to fight that one dude.
☝ what he said...
This works too, but often it will only lead to another round of reverski, because those builds can't outdamage a PA build (for example) at close range...
Therefore just ignore them, if you aren't in a long range railverski build and a crack kb+m shot.
Came across a few recently, hence the question. Latest thing seems to be engineered canons with long range and force shell. Impossible to target cause they knock you spinning, so they just sit there and punch holes in you until you've had enough.
Was hoping for 'you can try this ship/build' etc.
For instance - is there a target lock range on seeker missiles? Would Thermal effect on seekers offer a route to upsetting them?
Game is broke if there is no solution...
Was hoping for 'you can try this ship/build' etc.
For instance - is there a target lock range on seeker missiles? Would Thermal effect on seekers offer a route to upsetting them?
Game is broke if there is no solution...
Force shell cannons aren't hitscan, so you should theoretically be able to avoid a lot of fire by changing vector often.
FAoff is bad against force shell, so better use FAon.
But I never ran into such a build, only the classic railverski Phantoms and Mambas.
Also you won't outdamage a reverski build with seekers.
I think at long ranges, it doesnt matter if its hitscan or not, due to the way the game works. Otherwise it'd be impossible hit anything with a cnnon at range, which it clearly isnt. Changing vector doesn't make any difference as far as I can tell, when you're 6km away. I tend to use vertical thruster all the time to change vector - never makes a difference..
Long range increase the projectile speed, so aiming is easier, too.
Long range increase the projectile speed, so aiming is easier, too.
There are lots of things in Elite with no solution. Personally, I enjoy the asymmetry but understand when someone does not.
That said, I don't recall what the range lock is for seekers but I believe it is longer than or at least close to 6km. Missiles with drag munitions and emissive effects will slow them down and make it less fun for them. You could also try long range phasing sequence pulse lasers. If they skipped hull day, you could irritate them that way. Working up your own set of long range force shell cannons is another option.
A fast, shield tanked ship could be an option as well but of course you lose offensive potency.
For me it all comes back to my original issue: way too much work for one guy that likes his cheese.
But at the end of the day, if neither of you care to see the rebuy screen, you likely won't.
Huh?
I can assure you above 2 km it gets exceedingly difficult to hit anything without hitscan.
Can you give me an example why you think the game works different?
Yeah, saying that it doesn't matter whether you use hitscan or projectile (regardless of mods) at six kilometers speaks more to your ships choice, loadout, and evasion skills than anything about the game.
What were you flying against these guys?
All I can say is that despite much wriggling, I've been peppered from range with Canons (Can't video on win 7 so cant show you examples sadly) My assumption is that the targeting is based at the offense end, and when you're farther away from them then its just getting the right pixel, then at your end, a pixels worth is huge...
I tried long range phasing against a known shindez ganker railverski mamba and I can tell you he neither skipped hull day nor was I able to outdamage him...
Was gimballed though, so lots of misses at longer ranges... perhaps with fixed. But phasing pulses do pitiful damage compared to rails.
A large cannon with long range and force shell does 1333 m/s. At 4km it takes at least 3 seconds to hit you. So change vector every 2 seconds and you wont be hit... Bit of lateral thrusters pinching will do it.
OK, good to know. If I presume less than G5 core internals (especially thrusters) and that you were chasing them that might explain the hit rates.
Also remember with rail guns there's a micro gimbal effect that's easily leveraged at range. I think you also get that "inertia attack" message from them for some reason. Maybe that was it?