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krusty23

krusty23
Scytale said:
Was a time when exploring required moving. Now you can explore a whole system of 1MLs without even moving.[haha]

Next patch: "Explore" the whole MW without undocking from SD !! [yesnod]
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The current system is definitely 'not' exploring in my opinion.

You jump in, honk and move on, unless you want to tag a body, in which case you just point your ship at it and fly close enough to DSS.

Currently 'exploring' is jump to system no-one knows anything about press a magic button and know everything.

At least the new system requires some (not a lot) of extra work and you still have option of flying around the system to map planets.

BTW, you can continue to play exactly the same way within the bubble, nothing has really changed everything appears the same way as it did.
It only really changes when you go out further to completely undiscovered space.

Just my own opinion, I am really enjoying the new changes.
 

Scytale

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You know... between "white" and "black" there is "grey".

krusty23 said:
The current system is definitely 'not' exploring in my opinion.
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Right ! And Amundsen was 'not' an explorer because he didn't look in every nook and cranny of the Antarctica.
 
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Burke

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Some of you guys trying to brow beat everybody into being all happy joy joy about how amazing the new system is... its not. Its a dogs dinner, look at it.

A layer of stupidity plastered over what was already there. Im not even gonna try it, ill leave the final judgement up to everybody else, if it goes in im off too. I dont expect anybody to care but at least acknowledge that its a players right to leave such feedback.
 

krusty23

krusty23
Whitmann said:
Last night I was interdicted seven times as I tried without success to locate a scenario. If this is progress I'll pass, thanks.
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Why not just continue playing as we are at the moment then?

Look in the left panel for USS'es select one and fly towards it to find out if it's a scenario or not?
You can still do this if you don't want to use the new system.

I agree that you can be very vulnerable while using the FSS and I have been interdicted a few times while scanning, by other cmdr's in open as well just been lucky they've not been idiots.
I don't think I'll be using the new tools that much in the bubble but the improvement in finding USS is so great I don't think I can go back once it goes live.
So I'll just have to live with the added danger and 'git gud' at using it to find USS.
 

Leif_Erikson

Leif_Erikson
Farewell Jackie, sad to see you go but your fine contributions will not be forgotten in the exploring galaxy - and your many tags will be a lasting impression throughout the game.

Sad that it looks like three of the giants of exploring will be leaving the game and suspect they will not be replaced.
 

Sepp

Sepp
picommander said:
Pointless nonsense, how so? These "squiggly lines" as you take them just tell you the kind of bodies present in a given system but not their position and not even the numbers of this special type (though I'm not 100% sure about the latter).

I would agree that it's not full science mode but it's a decent compromise in the right direction while the current honk is a mockery of any scientific means. The current ADS is nothing but a shallow entertainment to apparently some of us. I'm so sick of it, really.
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Pointless because if I point at a body, I can't scan it until I've tuned correctly. Total nonsense. There is precisely no reason - except introducing artificial busywork - why the system could not, having been pointed at a body, twiddle with itself and think "aha, it's one of those" - bing.

I agree that the current uberhonk is bad, but there needs to be a halfway house. Tell me what the planet types are and their arrangement in the system (uberhonk light... no composition, resources, possibly not even if they're landable, no indication of USSs etc.) and I'll be happy. If something looks interesting, I'll then happily use the FSS to look at it further - but I would like to be able to select that one thing from the map/orrery and not have to play blind-man's-buff in the blue fog. I'm not talking about ELW collection, I'm not into that game - I'm only concerned with interesting arrangements of planets/moons. I have no interest in USSs or POIs, they can happily remain in the realm of FSS and DSS.
 

Scorprox

Scorprox
they´ll regret..

Leif_Erikson said:
Farewell Jackie, sad to see you go but your fine contributions will not be forgotten in the exploring galaxy - and your many tags will be a lasting impression throughout the game.

Sad that it looks like three of the giants of exploring will be leaving the game and suspect they will not be replaced.
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I don´t agree. They will replaced by 500%. (I´m not a candidate, I do every aspect of this huge impressive game just for enjoyment and not for obsession)
And the old exploration playstyle is maybe key reason, why they tagged so many objects first. jump-honk-jump-honk-jump-honk-jump-honk-refuel.. that is no exploration at all. It is more abusing a half-baked content lacking system just to get first marks.
With the new system exploring is finally introduced to the game.
And like in the real world people who tie themselves to bad systems are easily being replaced by ones that posess the ability to learn and adapt new mechanics and implementations.

I bet they guys that leave (during beta even!) regret their choice
when they learn that Raxxla has been found.. by a real explorer. [haha]
 

Rock Hunter

Rock Hunter
Jackie Silver said:
I found the Zurara in the Rift. Getting Raxxla as well would just be greedy.
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^^ :)

You don’t know me but I know some of your exploits and have found much fascinating reading thanks to your exploring.

It’s a shame that anyone who has enjoyed a game for so long and contributed so much feels they’ve had enough but good luck for the future and I hope you find something that offers you what you once found in exploring the ED Galaxy.
I’m new enough to be happy with most elements of the new system and to hope that those I’m not so keen on will become less frustrating with time.

My one wish was that we felt less isolated from the system whilst investigating it, that part I wonder if I’ll ever get used to.

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roryclague

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I'm really sad to see our most experienced and legendary explorers leaving the game. I'll probably stick around, since no other game allows me to explore a simulation of the entire galaxy in a spacecraft. Space engine has a Newtonian flight model - I actually prefer this in some ways (I like the idea of constant acceleration with time dilation via Kugelblitz drives as a means to interstellar travel), but the interface is a bit clunky, and the cockpit experience isn't nearly as immersive. So I'll just take whatever Elite gives me, I suppose. I completely understand the frustration the new changes have brought. If like some of the most experienced explorers you are interested in the edge cases generated by the stellar forge, then the only way to find those edge cases is with high throughput sampling of the population. We are now undoubtedly slowed down. As for myself, I'm fairly experienced (4.5 stars on Marx's Myriad Manifest, although I have really slowed down in recent months), but I never systematically test the stellar forge in the way Jackie has. I'll probably be able to live with the changes, and even look forward to finding some of the new phenomena sprinkled across the galaxy. Hopefully it will seem more alive. The new mechanics should have probably been present in the game from the beginning, and to make this change four years into the game is really quite a disruption. Anyway, I just want to say that even though I never met you in game or really interacted with you on the forums, I have followed your contributions to the game with great interest. I'm sorry to see you leave, and you'll be missed by the many lurkers who, like me, have benefited from your investigations. I hope you'll be back from time to time.
 
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ebbrell

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I've been thinking the explorers who stay in the back are not recording or contributing to the shared knowledge base. If they never dock and hand in the data, it's a little pointless.

Do they ever come back, have they really been out there for 2 years
 

[VR] Merkir

[VR] Merkir
We never crossed paths, Jackie, but your research always fascinated me. Very sorry to see the great contributors to the game leaving.

I think what FDev hasn't considered in the new discovery system is that humans are very visual. The honk -> system map reveal was an almost visceral experience for many - instant gratification, sure, but there's nothing wrong with that in a game. I think the OP calling it obfuscation is correct because making players manually focus and tune these signals is absurd. This is precisely what a computer would be completing in seconds, not minutes performed manually with arcade controls. The mini-game is after all just a set of rote steps much better suited to a computer.

Possible Solution: A new module that after the honk performs signal and optical analysis to produce a full system map but with only partial system object data. It's balanced because it takes an extra slot and extra mass. Explorers who want to maintain the current 'visceral' initial visual reveal can still do so. Other explorers who like the new FSS with its slow (and full) reveal don't need the new module.
 
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Saool

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Jackie Silver said:
I found the Zurara in the Rift. Getting Raxxla as well would just be greedy.
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You were the first to visit.

A lot of people both in the Cannon and in CoR worked on that. If you have distilled it to just you now, then I may have miss-judged you. And not in a good way.
 

Jackie Silver

Jackie Silver
Saool said:
You were the first to visit.

A lot of people both in the Cannon and in CoR worked on that. If you have distilled it to just you now, then I may have miss-judged you. And not in a good way.
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I was being Laconic.

The long version is something like: the solution was achieved by CoR Intel in a late-night session. Some of the individual riddle solutions came from Canonn (and from the general community.) The crucial steps in the solution - subtracting the name letters and realising the resulting gibberish was an authentic sector name - were not mine (I think the latter was Nodus), although I was the first to pick out the star system - if I remember right, we were uncertain of the last few letters due to differing interpretations of the riddle answers, and while the others were temporarily hung up on SYREADIAE DX-F C0 or something like that I tried the right one instead, at which point all of us who were in the area winged up and headed out there as fast as we could. There was a definite sense that we were racing. It all sounds so straightforward in retrospect! Solve the riddles, get an alphanumeric string, subtract the name in every other letter and get a system name, hah.
 
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