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[mpfj]

But I find if fun and oddly compelling.

I'm with you on this ... I wasn't at all sure when they announced / demoed the FSS for the first time, but having used it for a few hours, I can see I'm going to enjoy the new method.

Yes, it has it's downsides for some people's exploration "style", and upsides for others, but overall it's a thumbs up from me.
(Plus my ELW strip-hunting is about twice as fast !!)

 

[Pirin]

This is very pleasing.

For whilst I have very little tolerance for 'I'm leaving' posts, I also don't actually like people leaving.


In other news, I've only played with the system for a few hours, probably having done less than 10 systems. But I find if fun and oddly compelling. I also like that it now makes a clear distiction between exploring and travelling. If you want to find things, you need to make a little more effort than honk. If you want to travel, you no-longer feel compelled to stop and honk every system just in case.

Not sure i get this. Why exactly exploring while traveling is a bad thing?

[???]

When i go out in the black, i do it for one single purpose: to explore and find cool things. What is the benefit of traveling without exploring is beyond me.
If some cmdrs find the new system cool, thats fine. But my personal exploration style is hit really hard and the only thing that would keep me in the exploration business is if they add some really nice new things to find. But at this point this seems very unlikely.

 

[Scytale]

Not sure i get this. Why exactly exploring while traveling is a bad thing?

[???]

When i go out in the black, i do it for one single purpose: to explore and find cool things. What is the benefit of traveling without exploring is beyond me.
If some cmdrs find the new system cool, thats fine. But my personal exploration style is hit really hard and the only thing that would keep me in the exploration business is if they add some really nice new things to find. But at this point this seems very unlikely.

Seems to me they just lack proper story-tellers since the Hunt for Salomé . So, just to show they care about the Explorers, they granted us with new mechanics and a couple of "new" ships. A pathetic matter of keeping us entertained playing minigames.
(Though I am still waiting for a real Exploration Vessel.. Which will never come into this game as any small ship can do it. (Now we have "Ferraris" running the ED Camel Trophy)
It's the price that comes with having this modular concept of space ships.)
So, now it's much easier to discover the "mysteries" of the MW !
Braintrees and fumaroles ?
Great.

 

[varonica]

Seems to me they just lack proper story-tellers since the Hunt for Salomé . So, just to show they care about the Explorers, they granted us with new mechanics and a couple of "new" ships. A pathetic matter of keeping us entertained playing minigames.
(Though I am still waiting for a real Exploration Vessel.. Which will never come into this game as any small ship can do it. (Now we have "Ferraris" running the ED Camel Trophy)
It's the price that comes with having this modular concept of space ships.)
So, now it's much easier to discover the "mysteries" of the MW !
Braintrees and fumaroles ?
Great.

It's never going back to the old system, people who have accepted that and invested some time into the new system to see how it can be changed and improved to make it better for more casual players have in fact managed to get FDEV to make some changes to the way it works. The number of bodies in the system now appears in the HUD after the initial honk and even lists the stars so now you can see if you only have stars in the system and jump out without opening the FSS.

Meanwhile people who seem intent on the only solution is having the old system back come on the forums and rant and whine and contribute precisely nothing to the ongoing discussion about how to improve the new systaem to make it more friendly to people who liked the old system.

The old system is never coming back. You have called it, repeatedly as an insult of some sort I guess, "explore without flying", some less polite people might have described the old system as, "travel without exploring" but that would be a rather bad description because there really wasn't much out there to find and players like jackie had many of us in awe at thier achievements, still do in fact when I come across their tags in places I didn't think anyone else had ever been. But there is stuff out there to find now, and there will be more, and we have been given the tools to find it, the old system is never coming back, why don't you help improve the new system to make it better for all players rather than just ranting all the time?

The old system of travelling and exploring was based on one assumption, that there was nothing out there to find, time to put that old assumption to one side.

 

[Scytale]

It's never going back to the old system,

Again, again and again....
Who asks for reverting to the old system ??
Why don't you try to improve your reading comprehension rather than just ranting to me all the time ?

 

[Orvidius]

I guess playing in VR is "hard mode" with the FSS. We don't get the blobs at all. Finding something that's far removed from the main orbital plane is problematic.

 

[disorganise]

Nothing to do with the issues above, but note that with the last Beta they introduced 'fake blobs', often found beyond the outer orbital line. Not sure why they did that, maybe they found that after a while the FSS becomes a bit too trivial. They add a tiny bit of skill/knowledge but once you've learned how to separate them from true blobs (no arrows) then it isn't much more than a little obfuscation. It also feels like they've added a little more precision required for signal resolving.

Ye gads, what? That's deliberate? That's just sick

 

[varonica]

Why don't you try to improve your reading comprehension rather than just ranting to me all the time ?

Deflection much?

Your very first reply to me ever was this;

Wow ! Very impressed ! And you made all these great discoveries so fast and without even...flying ?
That's what I call an "Explorer" !
Imho.

I was reasonably, in fact more than reasonably polite in replying knowing that it was intended as an insult, I don't appreciate being insulted then being accused of virtual stalking.

 

[varonica]

Ye gads, what? That's deliberate? That's just sick

I have no expectation it was deliberate with the false blue blobs, but the extra precision in resolving difficult targets is definitely there, it was also mentioned in the patch notes.

 

[varonica]

After all these blobs are not even essential. I would take them as introduction helpers for FSS noobies and to create the illusion of 'probability fields'. The more you understand the mechanics, the more their relevance falls apart. What really matters at the end are the direction arrows, the circles and the orbital lines - in this order.

My opinion on the blue blobs has changed suddenly. I just ran through a couple of systems with no fake blue blobs at all, not one, and I thought, that's strange, if it's a bug with the FSS it should happen all the time, if it was a deliberate ploy by FDEV the same should apply, but then I thought about a discussion I was having on another thread.

Basically it's this, the areas I am traveling through are bare of interest, no rumours, nothing and we know from an earlier statement from FDEV that not all the new POI's and USS's are being inserted into the beta, a lot of stuff is being left for live, they've put in just enough to test things like the codex, so a lot of areas are empty of new features. So my feelings are, the fake blue blobs aren't fake at all, but with the last patch they accidentally turned on the FSS tracking for the new stuff that's not currently in game, so all these fake blue blobs we are seeing will eventually resolve to new POI's and USS's when the game goes live, we just can't resolve them at the moment!

 

[Rat Catcher]

I guess playing in VR is "hard mode" with the FSS. We don't get the blobs at all. Finding something that's far removed from the main orbital plane is problematic.

I have blue blobs on my rift (well eliptical blobs) are you using vive/wmr? This week's beta release fixed quite a lot in VR.

 

[varonica]

I have blue blobs on my rift (well eliptical blobs) are you using vive/wmr? This week's beta release fixed quite a lot in VR.

Even on my laptop I get the occasional body that doesn't show a blob but I only spot it by arrows so I don't think it's a VR thing.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Fear not - those FSS blobs are a bug - confirmed...

This is a visual bug and not intended. Should be fixed soon.

 

[varonica]

Noooo ! Please, not the mods !
Don't ruin my life ! Pleeaaase ! [haha]

I suggest you get another hobby, baiting people on the forums is not a particularly long term one.

 

[Yaffle]

Play nice folks, cut the sniping and personal comments.

Don't respond to personal comments, report.

 

[ITZC0ATL]

It's never a good sign when a thread in the exploration subforum can be mistaken for dangerous discussion! Luckily it's a rare occurance

 

[Orvidius]

I have blue blobs on my rift (well eliptical blobs) are you using vive/wmr? This week's beta release fixed quite a lot in VR.

Yeah, I've been using a Vive Pro lately. They fixed the blue background, but I don't get the blobs showing where things might be. I'm using the arrows, which is great most of the time, until there's one last planet that isn't along the primary plane.

 

[Macedonica]

Wait, there's blue blobs? (Vive user here . . .)

 

[Pirin]

....

The old system of travelling and exploring was based on one assumption, that there was nothing out there to find, time to put that old assumption to one side.

To be fair, i was considering to abandon exploration even before the changes were announced if FD dont add new things to the Galaxy. So i am not really missing the old system, my much bigger concern is what exactly they will add. Based on my previous experience with FD mindset, i suspect all the new things will look nice and will be good for screenshots, but otherwise useless, non-interactive and with zero gameplay around them. Think about new version of geysers.
Now, i do like taking screenshots and take a lot of them, but am no longer interested in a gameplay based only on this.
If you have any info about them adding something different, please share. I am really interested on this topic.

The old system, despite its many shortcomings, was still allowing me to find some interesting things. Without some really interesting new objects, the new one will be just an endless grind and time sink. I am not going to spend my time scanning trivial gas giants and ice moons, thank you.

 

[Cmdr-Wotherspoon]

I don't suppose fDev can ever please everyone. Despite some initial wrinkles, I far prefer the new mechanic to the old, and I reckon I can fully scan a system faster now than using the old system. In fact, I tried going back to 3.2, and found it horribly lacking after the enriched gameplay of 3.3. But I can fully understand that for other folks, the old system was better.