Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Phill P said:
I noticed this too but when I mentioned it a few weeks ago I was basically told that new stuff had been put in before, for a while, without being explained, and there was nothing special about that.

I still disagree and think no Galnet about them at all is significant by its absence.
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Yeah, and they obviously haven’t forgotten about them, so I don’t know if I want to know what they’ve got in store for us with those things. Ignoring that the progress blocked is partly there so they are not erased immediately by players… to me, that says the Thargoids value them enough to hold on to them no matter what, or the distance to the Titan.

(I could be wrong, of course. But I don’t think so, in this case…)

Their purpose is still unclear, but I’m coming around to the idea that they might potentially serve as reinforcement points/Witch Space portals for the Thargoids further away from the Titan(at least, for those ones that have been placed further out - the idea doesn’t hold up so well for ones deep inside the control sphere).

Or they’re gonna let out something worse than just more [regular] Thargoid ships. If that even turns out true…

(I have seen the Dead Space references, but I haven’t played that so they don’t hold much meaning to me.)
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Phill P said:
Just think army of mind controlled zombies in space and you've got the general idea.
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I’m more talking about the so-called ‘Markers’ that are being referred to, rather than the basic idea of Dead Space. That much, I know about it - deeper parts of the lore/story, not so much.

I guess I’ll kind of find out anyway, once the barnacle matrix sites begin to act up… as curious as I am, I don’t really feel like watching the teaser.

Otherwise? I totally expect corrupted/hybrid humans. Maybe not quite as dumb as your traditional ‘zombie’… well, then again, Odyssey AI isn’t exactly clever either. Anyway, it’s not exactly a stroke of genius to see this one coming, given that Seo told us they see us as a ‘resource’, and a tool is the only other thing I can really imagine.

(My own RP kind of relies on the supposition that Thargoids have been experimenting on humans in various ways, too, but that’s a whole other can of worms.)

Oh, and any thoughts on whether the pods from within the Titans will be corrosive or ‘standard’ cargo items? I’m not sure myself.
 
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Phill P

Phill P
Kira Goto said:
I’m more talking about the so-called ‘Markers’ that are being referred to, rather than the basic idea of Dead Space. That much, I know about it - deeper parts of the lore/story, not so much.
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Quick version;

The Markers are alien structures that spread disease and reanimate the dead and have some similarity in appearance to the barnacle structures. In the remake of the original game humans have experimented with making their own markers, IIRC as an energy source, and distinguished from the alien ones by being red instead of black. A human marker was put on a world called Aegis VII, a planet in the Cygnus system.

I wouldn't like to stretch the analogy too far but if we do then perhaps Aegis will work out how to make our own barnacle sites so we can produce our own meta alloys without invading Thargoid space.
Kira Goto said:
I guess I’ll kind of find out anyway, once the barnacle matrix sites begin to act up… as curious as I am, I don’t really feel like watching the teaser.
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I've watched it and I'm none the wiser, I think you're safe.
Kira Goto said:
Oh, and any thoughts on whether the pods from within the Titans will be corrosive or ‘standard’ cargo items? I’m not sure myself.
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It does seem more likely they will need cargo bays than passenger bays, but as to corrosive I've no idea at this point. Can't rule it out.

Another factor will be what quantities of people can be released and picked up. Those two factors will decide the best build for it.

I imagine also that most ships going to a Titan would have corrosive racks fitted anyway, so they can pick up a few samples at the same time. So if they are corrosive it possibly won't matter much.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Victories in Pegasi Sectors MN-S b4-2 and MN-S b4-0, Arietis Sectors WJ-R b4-3 and BQ-P b5-2, Hyades Sectors GH-M b7-1, GH-M b7-2 and JN-K b8-4, HIP 20492, Col 285 Sectors OC-V d2-96 and EA-Q c5-8, and Gliese 9035! Mind that Alert activity becomes risky beyond the next few systems, meanwhile Nibelaako needs just a little more.

Note that harvesting is useful in Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-4 for delivery to the Sky of Diamonds X3B-57V in Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-1. INIV is working on Arietis Sector KM-W d1-94 to complete the little safe district next to M. Leigong; it should be recaptured this week, and any activity there is quite welcome given its 10172 strength.

Alerts at 06:40 18th September 3309:
Muruidooges Alert 84% *85.9% — Hadad 18 Ly, 1018 Ls starport, 7321 Ls outpost
Holvandalla Alert 64% — Raijin 21 Ly, 86 Ls starport, 19 Ls outpost, 43 Ls planet
Vocovii Alert 38% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 63k Ls outpost, 106 Ls planet
Trailing slightly:
Luggerates Alert 34% — Oya 22 Ly, 14k Ls outpost, 339 Ls planet
Trailing:
HR 1403 Alert 28% *28.6% — Indra 25 Ly, 194 Ls starport, 62k Ls outpost, 194 Ls planet

Eviction:
Nibelaako Control 84% *84.3% — Raijin 22 Ly, 506 strength

Clean-up:
Trianguli Sector EQ-Y b6 Alert 94% *95.8% — Taranis 15 Ly, empty
HIP 3006 Alert 94% *94.6% — Oya 19 Ly, empty
Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7 Control 30% — Raijin 26 Ly, empty, 313 strength
Unlikely:
Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 Control 36% *36.2% — Hadad 10 Ly, empty, 11.7k strength
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
I saw the video and it mostly looked like one of the activated sites in the Pleiades.
A few shots of the Revenants nothing more.
I can confirm I tried using the Genetic sampler on all three elements of the TBMs early on. Nothing available to sample, couldn't find anything to cut with the Maverick tool either.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Victories in Trianguli Sectors EQ-Y b6 and CA-A c14, HIPs 3006 and 22203, Nibelaako, Holvandalla, Muruidooges and Col 285 Sector SM-C b13-0! Surges at HR 1403 and Luggerates bring them forward, now fitting neatly along with Vocovii into the present projection.

Alerts at 06:30 19th September 3309:
Luggerates Alert 88% — Oya 22 Ly, 14k Ls outpost, 1473 Ls planet
HR 1403 Alert 52% *52.7% — Indra 25 Ly, 194 Ls starport, 62k Ls outpost, 194 Ls planet
Vocovii Alert 52% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 63k Ls outpost, 106 Ls planet
Trailing:
Vistnero Alert 28% *28.6% — Raijin 21 Ly, 147 Ls starport, 521 Ls outpost
HIP 19757 Alert 22% — Indra 25 Ly, 2256 Ls planet

Clean-up:
Trianguli Sector CA-A c22 Control 84% *84.3% — Taranis 15 Ly, empty, 484 strength
Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7 Control 72% — Raijin 26 Ly, empty, 126 strength
Trailing:
Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 Control 56% *57.2% — Hadad 10 Ly, empty, 7878 strength


Interestingly, those top three empty Control systems each guard an inhabited system:
  • One genuine option for us is to pause at Arietis Sector KM-W d1-94 and let it attack KM-W d1-93 for now, assist Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 this week to guard HR 2204, then complete our M. Leigong district later. At minimum that could ease Alerts in the short term.
  • Conversely, that would impose a heavy Alert later, unless such is done to begin a M. Hadad district as devised here. This would then involve two heavy evictions with 25000 for Col 285 Sector RH-B b14-2 and 30000 for Montioch. Possible, but needs to be done as a pair of two-week operations exactly over the next four weeks!
If enacted:
  • Are any harvest-capable Commanders—or indeed, combat-capable Commanders in the delivery weeks—interested in helping to establish a second Maelstrom district?
  • Is there any chance that the weekly combat events can also help with those specific systems needed to achieve that?
It is fine if the harvest assistance begins next week, but we need to know that ahead of this evening, otherwise it seems more sane to let Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 have its surplus next week and hope that it gets chosen again while stockpiling for the upcoming recaptures. Even a bit of assistance now to bring it below 4000 would help a lot in letting us finish at M. Leigong first!


Felix DiCestria said:
I can confirm I tried using the Genetic sampler on all three elements of the TBMs early on. Nothing available to sample, couldn't find anything to cut with the Maverick tool either.
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Thank you; I think it is becoming quite clear that there is nothing to be deduced for the moment (unfortunately). As with systems such as HIPs 8825 and 24329¹, I mind not that they remain as Control as long as we will be getting some way to prevent their attacks!

Additional:
1. They were cleared, but the notion was one of placing attackers above non-attackers.
 
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Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Victories in Luggerates, Col 285 Sector VS-Z b14-0 and Hyades Sector GR-W d1-93! Insofar as we have now—

Alerts at 17:50 19th September 3309:
HR 1403 Alert 66% *68.7% — Indra 25 Ly, 194 Ls starport, 62k Ls outpost, 194 Ls planet
Vocovii Alert 54% *54.2% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 63k Ls outpost, 106 Ls planet
Trailing:
HIP 19757 Alert 36% — Indra 25 Ly, 2256 Ls planet
Vistnero Alert 32% *33.6% — Raijin 21 Ly, 147 Ls starport, 521 Ls outpost

Clean-up:
Trianguli Sector CA-A c22 Control 84% *84.3% — Taranis 15 Ly, empty, 484 strength
Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 Control 80% *80.6% — Hadad 10 Ly, empty, 3565 strength
Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7 Control 72% — Raijin 26 Ly, empty, 126 strength

Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 at 80% brings it back on-course for completion regardless. I was having second thoughts about the previous plan due to Commanders preferring the likely upcoming Invasions and that the duration overlaps update 17, but if we can finish at M. Leigong and receive that initial start at M. Hadad, I think that leaves only the update as a possible concern.

If we do this, definitely it will be best to take Montioch before Col 285 Sector RH-B b14-2, for the latter can only see Control systems. An excellent outcome would be if our brilliant friends at M. Hadad have the same idea and enable a one-week eviction, but even a two-week eviction ought to keep HR 2204 guarded, where I presume Montioch attacked Muruidooges earlier and will be unable to act next week.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Victories in HR 1403, Trianguli Sector CA-A c22, Arietis Sector KM-W d1-94, Hyades Sectors PN-T c3-7, PN-T c3-5 and JN-K b8-1, and Col 285 Sector RM-B b14-2! HIP 19757 steps forward to trail by 30% assuming that Vocovii is completed first; the order could be reversed, though.

On the eviction front HIP 23716 is guarded again (well done!), and M. Leigong has lost fully the entire branch which was attacking Jementi, Patollu and Garongxians. INIV will help with any loose ends this evening, including whatever remains for Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-4, and even the one more for Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7 if needed!

Alerts at 06:30 20th September 3309, Wednesday caution:
Vocovii Alert 64% *64.4% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 63k Ls outpost, 106 Ls planet
Trailing:
HIP 19757 Alert 60% — Indra 25 Ly, 2256 Ls planet
Vistnero Alert 52% — Raijin 21 Ly, 147 Ls starport, 521 Ls outpost

Clean-up:
Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7 Control 98% *99.9% — Raijin 26 Ly, empty, 1 strength only!
Col 285 Sector VN-Z b14-0 Control 80% *80.6% — Hadad 10 Ly, empty, 3558 strength
Col 285 Sector KW-M c7-12 Alert 24% — Hadad 18 Ly, empty
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Well, no alert for HR 2204 tomorrow, then.

Might be for the better to not add a third high-difficulty invasion to the mix with Njorog and Omumba quite liable to keep people busy next week(and possibly the following).
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
As I went to check one today and saw the flight plan, did some jumping about while the laptop survived. relaying for folk here;

Rescue ship movements scheduled for 21st September 3309
Bold names are 'all refugee/evac missions by superpower lead to X' rescue ships from this batch.
Hope their monopoly ends, but if it doesn't we'll want to know where they are.

Federal Haven
Altair -> Gera [60.58Ly from Oya]
Imperial Sanctum
Cemiess -> Hixkaramu [72.06Ly from Hadad]
Rescue Ship Bertschinger
Tarach Tor -> Haritanis [65.37Ly from Leigong]
Rescue Ship Cavell
Antai -> Koleti [66.89Ly from Hadad]
Rescue Ship Cornwallis
Elli -> Mac Cimi [69.60Ly from Indra]
Rescue Ship Kisseih
Blest -> Triteia [60.19Ly from Oya]
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
It would certainly be nice if indies at the very least didn’t keep going to Bertschinger - the new placement will make it inconvenient for the Maelstroms on the ‘east’ side of the Bubble(Cocijo especially… if I remember the placement of that Titan correctly).

If tomorrow drops a CG on our heads for the Titan pod recovery shenanigans, on top of Njorog and Omumba, things might get interesting.
 

Starsong

Starsong
More progress on Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-4 - I'm up to current: 978 samples. Question - how many samples is it exaclty is it for a 25.8Ly system these days? I know it's about 1600, but a more precise figure would be nice.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Victories in Col 285 Sectors KW-M c7-12 and VN-Z b14-0, and Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7! Very well done to Commanders at M. Hadad for that achievement; please consider that group of surrounding Control systems scheduled for gradual recapture, starting with Montioch after two weeks at most or next week if supported.

Also very well done on the Alert front with all empty Alerts repelled once again; meanwhile Vistnero pulls ahead of the inhabited group, although it is projecting 10% short, followed by 40% then 75% (combined shortages). It would be quite nice to see some of those around-two-thirds systems secured of course, but either way I would worry not—we will have at most eight Invasions with two of them extra-strong, which ought to compare well with past achievements involving 12–18 Invasions in a week!

Alerts at 17:40 20th September 3309, Wednesday caution:
Trailing slightly:
Vistnero Alert 68% *69.9% — Raijin 21 Ly, 147 Ls starport, 521 Ls outpost
Trailing:
Vocovii Alert 68% *69% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 63k Ls outpost, 106 Ls planet
HIP 19757 Alert 64% — Indra 25 Ly, 2256 Ls planet
Unlikely:
HIP 20741 Alert 32% *33.3% — Indra 24 Ly, 1514 Ls outpost
Njorog Alert 14% *14.6% — Taranis 15 Ly, 637 Ls starport, 60 Ls outpost, 107 Ls planet
Omumba Alert 10% — Hadad 14 Ly, 41 Ls outpost, 1836 Ls planet
HIP 116360 Alert 4% *5.7% — Raijin 21 Ly, 649 Ls outpost, 462 Ls planet


Kira Goto said:
Well, no alert for HR 2204 tomorrow, then.
Might be for the better to not add a third high-difficulty invasion to the mix with Njorog and Omumba quite liable to keep people busy next week(and possibly the following).
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Indeed! INIV will attempt to keep it that way by stockpiling for Montioch, although I notice now that my mind skipped a little earlier; it will be able to attack at the end of next week, so guarding HR 2204 fully will require either harvest assistance or for those at M. Hadad to engage directly and enable an early delivery.

If anyone is able to pass on that message, please do so! Worry not about the empty Control systems which need to follow; we will keep the recaptures moving and ultimately keep it guarded.


Starsong said:
More progress on Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-4 - I'm up to current: 978 samples. Question - how many samples is it exaclty is it for a 25.8Ly system these days? I know it's about 1600, but a more precise figure would be nice.
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For Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-4 specifically, 1535. Speaking of which, we will complete your order first, starting soon after Carrier jumps are done.

After that I am eyeing Arietis Sector JM-W d1-56 to guard Pathamon (for now at least!), then I think we are done—just need a strength-test system for tomorrow, then may as well start early at Montioch!

Regarding the Rescue megaships which @Grimscrub has listed kindly, I am finding that many of the new placements are poor insofar as they are in a high orbit, where Fleet Carriers are stuck with low orbits. A notable exception is Rescue Ship Hutner at the Telin system, which is placed very nicely!
 

Starsong

Starsong
Aleks Zuno said:
Victories in Col 285 Sectors KW-M c7-12 and VN-Z b14-0, and Pegasi Sector OI-S b4-7! Very well done to Commanders at M. Hadad for that achievement; please consider that group of surrounding Control systems scheduled for gradual recapture, starting with Montioch after two weeks at most or next week if supported.

Also very well done on the Alert front with all empty Alerts repelled once again; meanwhile Vistnero pulls ahead of the inhabited group, although it is projecting 10% short, followed by 40% then 75% (combined shortages). It would be quite nice to see some of those around-two-thirds systems secured of course, but either way I would worry not—we will have at most eight Invasions with two of them extra-strong, which ought to compare well with past achievements involving 12–18 Invasions in a week!

Alerts at 17:40 20th September 3309, Wednesday caution:
Trailing slightly:
Vistnero Alert 68% *69.9% — Raijin 21 Ly, 147 Ls starport, 521 Ls outpost
Trailing:
Vocovii Alert 68% *69% — Cocijo 24 Ly, 63k Ls outpost, 106 Ls planet
HIP 19757 Alert 64% — Indra 25 Ly, 2256 Ls planet
Unlikely:
HIP 20741 Alert 32% *33.3% — Indra 24 Ly, 1514 Ls outpost
Njorog Alert 14% *14.6% — Taranis 15 Ly, 637 Ls starport, 60 Ls outpost, 107 Ls planet
Omumba Alert 10% — Hadad 14 Ly, 41 Ls outpost, 1836 Ls planet
HIP 116360 Alert 4% *5.7% — Raijin 21 Ly, 649 Ls outpost, 462 Ls planet




Indeed! INIV will attempt to keep it that way by stockpiling for Montioch, although I notice now that my mind skipped a little earlier; it will be able to attack at the end of next week, so guarding HR 2204 fully will require either harvest assistance or for those at M. Hadad to engage directly and enable an early delivery.

If anyone is able to pass on that message, please do so! Worry not about the empty Control systems which need to follow; we will keep the recaptures moving and ultimately keep it guarded.




For Hyades Sector ST-Q b5-4 specifically, 1535. Speaking of which, we will complete your order first, starting soon after Carrier jumps are done.

After that I am eyeing Arietis Sector JM-W d1-56 to guard Pathamon (for now at least!), then I think we are done—just need a strength-test system for tomorrow, then may as well start early at Montioch!

Regarding the Rescue megaships which @Grimscrub has listed kindly, I am finding that many of the new placements are poor insofar as they are in a high orbit, where Fleet Carriers are stuck with low orbits. A notable exception is Rescue Ship Hutner at the Telin system, which is placed very nicely!
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Thank you for the help! Do note that I've just made a sample run, making the total 1299 samples and therefore putting the total still needed at 236.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Starsong said:
Thank you for the help! Do note that I've just made a sample run, making the total 1299 samples and therefore putting the total still needed at 236.
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We stopped amid the next round just after finding your Carrier was on its way; I have stored a spare 320 which will either get delivered later, or jettisoned if you have everything you need!
 
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