Saw this after writing my response to Nicholas. INF will NOT determine the outcome of wars in 3.3? Then what does?
Thargoids in BGS May Break Game
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Saw this after writing my response to Nicholas. INF will NOT determine the outcome of wars in 3.3? Then what does?
Battles won/lost?
The idea is that when you get into the war, the influence of the two factions is locked together. Then you do war stuff (scenarios, missions, bonds) and win or lose each day, and then it's best of 7 days. Not clear at this stage what determines where your influence ends up after the war is over, though presumably the winner will end up higher than the loser, and at the moment it looks like scenarios and missions don't actually affect winning the war either which makes it all a bit pointless.
Can confirm, I had a faction win a war in Beta and had 16% influence to their name, versus 70% influence for the losing side. So the winner won't necessarily have the higher influence at the conclusion of the war either.
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Actually I prefer the new way. Before you could technically win a war without firing a single shot, which was a bit odd. Now in combat zones you have a progress bar that fills in one direction or another depending on kills, and when it's completely filled one side has won the battle. Win enough battles and you win the war.
I prefer it too, I just wish that's how it worked.
Unfortunately at the moment in 3.3, only Combat Bonds claimed seem to have any effect... "winning" a conflict zone has no effect at the moment (nor do the scenarios, or any other things FD said should help win a war)
Assuming your question is serious which is far from a guarantee in these forums.
A Thargoid is an insectoid race with (seemingly) bio-tech ships (You could compare them with the Shadows and/or Vorlons in Babylon 5, Species 8472 in Star Trek, or the Bugs in Star-ship Troopers). See this article on the unofficial wiki.
What's a question?Assuming your question is serious which is far from a guarantee in these forums.
A Thargoid is an insectoid race with (seemingly) bio-tech ships (You could compare them with the Shadows and/or Vorlons in Babylon 5, Species 8472 in Star Trek, or the Bugs in Star-ship Troopers). See this article on the unofficial wiki.
Despite the smart and dismissive replies, you are raising a good point. I rather like the idea of thargoids being added to the BGS, but unless it is done correctly it may create problems. Much will depend on where these thargoid bgs instances occur. If localized it will be a draw to thargoid hunters and perhaps the impact will be mitigated. If distributed throughout the bubble, then there will be problems. Not everyone wants to hunt thargoids, much less engage the grind necessary to do so.
Goose4291
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We're reaching a new low with the 'dont force gameplay on me' rhetoric at the moment.
So I guess it's all smoke and mirrors like before 3.3? Combat Bonds, and only combat bonds, make the difference? Or have FDEV stated anywhere that this is not their intent and that they will change it before release?
They've certainly responded to bug reports, and while it at least sounds like an ackniowledgement of the bug, whether it gets fixed or not is an entirely different question.
Goose4291
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Why do I have a bad feeling that the 'get 1 kill, hand in bond, repeat' transactional model will still be the meta?
Huh... so is that a bug or did the progress bar thing get pushed back to a later release? I'm pretty sure I saw it explicitly mentioned during one of the livestreams.
Ah good, so it is a bug.
Well my assumption is that the progress bars will for sure be in the game. And all the scenarios and all that. What remains to be seen (and what I've got a sinking feeling about), is whether or not the outcomes of those progress bars will actually matter. It's entirely possible that all of it will be window dressing and the thing that moves the needle behind the scenes is going to be "transactions" just like it always has been. I hope this does not turn out to be the case, but the response from Frontier has been wishy-washy enough that I frankly don't know what to expect.
By all accounts it's still the case.
The CZ progress bar is still in a conflict zone, still fills up and yummy can still "win " a zone, compete with notification that your rep and the factions influence has increased. Same for scenarios that occur in zones.
But most testing to date shows that despite all that visually working as expected, there is no change to influence (as influence is locked in a conflict), nor is there any impact on the war progress bar in the faction status (this is not the same as the conflict zone progress bar; it shows which faction is winning or losing overall).
The only thing found to affect war progress is submitting bonds, and is still susceptible to "transactional" warfare like goose mentioned.
EDIT: This is all fairly off-topic wrt Thargoids and the BGS, so I recommend looking at the discussions here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...Yes-But-what?p=7211194&viewfull=1#post7211194
And more broadly here (it's peppered throughout this thread, so might need a bit of reading):
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/452902-BGS-changes-Learnings-Issues-comments
I recommend going and having a read through these areas, and maybe also checking out various FD posts:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Dangerous-Beyond-Chapter-Four-Beta-Questions
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/452944-Beyond-Chapter-Four-Beta-(Week-1)
Specifically:
Currently, this is not the case, or has so little impact, actually winning a round in a conflict zone has virtually no effect when compared to the effect of handing in combat bonds. I've posted in the other linked threads, but tl;dr Combat Bonds submitted should have no impact on the outcome of the war (they represent personal commander gain, and enemy destruction), only conflict zones resolved (which represents strategic objectives being met)
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Some people even still think we should welcome the Thargoids into our homes. "Adopt a Thargoid today and subscribe to the gen-pool-experiment. Our hatchlings will be the future." or so they say.
I'd even go with that, if fighting them wasn't so much of a good time.
Don't be afraid - it's only caustic goo.
I'd even go with that, if fighting them wasn't so much of a good time.
Don't be afraid - it's only caustic goo.
They sneeze at you and your hull melts.
Goose4291
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What we need to do is loudly attack one of the circle of trust player groups using this method.
Despite them using it themselves, they'll cry 'exploiting hacks' and it'll be patched out within 48hrs.