The 15 second logout timer in action

[Sylveria]

Okay thats, Keep your head in the sand.

But dont be upset when the timers get changed. And you have to learn the game and engineer to survive.

If you have been around longer than I. Then its a shame you havnt progressed past the carebear stage of this game. You're not a new player anymore.

There is no excuse for the things you are saying at this point. If you truly understand the game that is.

You see, your first mistake is thinking this is somehow "personal" for me. It's not.

I've already told you I don't play in Open. You know this, yet you insist on directing your vitriol toward me as if it makes an iota of difference.

My opinions are based subjectively because I can see both sides of the fence, here. You telling me I don't have one is equally ridiculous- because you haven't managed to dispute a damned thing I've said yet.

That said, Philngraves and I had a rather lengthy discussion without the useless toxic banter, and although we may seem to be on "opposing" sides of the fence, it was rather productive. Perhaps you should learn from others' examples if you want to actually get some traction in your arguments, rather than the schoolyard bully tactics. Fear motivation doesn't work with me, sorry.

 

[M00ka]

No there 1 game. Its elite dangerous. Learn to play it.

Well I don't PvP, so I hereby expect you to only play the game my way

 

[znôrt]

Being over concerned with how others approach the game is the true problem here. Precious is as Precious does.

on an argument level, yes. but why does this argument even come up (constantly!!!)? imo it's a direct consequence of the game being inconsistent (i.e., tries to appease contradicting expectations, and doesn't do a good job in isolating/integrating them so they can coexist).

 

[Sylveria]

i stand corrected. i blame the asp explorer!

I blame TJ.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I blame TJ.

Remember when you asked me about the new Sylveria?

Because I said I liked the new you when you knew about exploring? You are so into exploring you know the things it needs for it to grow and be better.

Well think of me like that in other aspects of the game YOU have self admittedly dont know about. I want you to think about that for a second.

You as passionate about the things you know about. Thats why I liked what you had to say.

I am passionate about this, because I understand it. And trust me, I am not the only one that does understand it, or is passionate about it.

I just want you to start using your head about some of these things. And realize there is a bigger picture here besides everything being a grief.

 

[Asp Explorer]

So not only do you guys take away the MEANING for PVP we already have in the game.

The only meaning of PVP for me is to fill my lulzbucket. Anyone desperate enough to engage my pre-Horizon Python, non-engineered Asp or my Combat Mining Haulers just deserves to be laughed at

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yet you are quite content to take objectives away from everyone else, that trader trying to make some credits, that explorer finally coming back to civilisation with a computer full of exploration data, that newbie who is out on his first flight.

Yeah, in the BGS that trader is worried about influence(not credits), or powerplay merits and propaganda missions. The explorer is Data bombing during an election phase.

I never kill newbies. I usually go after the guys that do.

[video=youtube;phdhrCG96Tw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phdhrCG96Tw[/video]

LEARN THE GAME PEOPLE.

 

[Sylveria]

Yet you are quite content to take objectives away from everyone else, that trader trying to make some credits, that explorer finally coming back to civilisation with a computer full of exploration data, that newbie who is out on his first flight.

Indeed. His assumption that EVERYONE is out to get him (or his system) is paranoia at best, because not an ounce of intent has been proven.

PowerPlay changes could indeed help to rectify this (such as explicitly flagging someone as fair game if they're supporting a particular faction) and I would definitely approve such changes! Carrying leaflets? You're flagged for PvP! A trader just faffing about in the same system that's minding their OWN business, however- is not "fair" game. I'm not at all "against" PvP- I'd just love that it be more clearly defined and that "bounties" be more inline with the actual crimes. If someone loses their ship and missions/data then as a result the offender should do the same. Not some meaningless credit bounty tacked on.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You cannot 'tell' me anything. You have less than zero credibility in my eyes. I am not the guy stomping around asserting FD are going to change things in-game with absolutely no evidence, just some kind of premonition, that never comes to pass. You have never been right, not even once.

I have learned to play this game ad it lies. You insist what we have is all wrong. Insisting that an open only PG has no way to defend their influence is proof positive that you need some education on hoe E|D works.

Oh you poor soul.

 

[Mohrgan]

on an argument level, yes. but why does this argument even come up (constantly!!!)? imo it's a direct consequence of the game being inconsistent (i.e., tries to appease contradicting expectations, and doesn't do a good job in isolating/integrating them so they can coexist).

Because everyone thinks they are right. Fully informed or not. Some people can't stay out of other people's business. One can only expect to enjoy any feature of the game with players that share your interests. For some, this notion can't be accepted.

 

[Sylveria]

Oh you poor soul.

I'm sure quite a few others have the same sentiment... about you.

 

[M00ka]

Yeah, in the BGS that trader is worried about influence(not credits), or powerplay merits and propaganda missions. The explorer is Data bombing during an election phase.

I never kill newbies. I usually go after the guys that do.



LEARN THE GAME PEOPLE.

From what I haver read from you, I seriously doubt you are playing the BGS, or PP or well anything except killing every hollow square you see. You might think you can justify your actions, but you just get your kicks in the game from killing Commanders, no ifs no buts, that is what gets you off.

 

[znôrt]

And realize there is a bigger picture here besides everything being a grief.

as i have been trying to convey a few posts ago, it's frontier who's not seeing the bigger picture.
your cutthroat galaxy aspirations are perfectly ok.
someone else's aspirations to putter back with loads of explo data completely unmolested are also perfectly ok.
frontier should make up their mind about what game they are actually selling, or make it work for both. it obviously doesn't, or you two wouldn't be arguing.

there's really not much more to it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I'm sure quite a few others have the same sentiment... about you.

Probably. But I bet they feel pretty dumb when they end up saying,

You know, 90s was right this whole time. It wont be the first time either. And it wont be the last.

 

[M00ka]

Probably. But I bet they feel pretty dumb when they end up saying,

You know, 90s was right this whole time. It wont be the first time either. And it wont be the last.

Funny, I actually can't see anyone out of the miniscule PvP community that would ever utter those words !

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

as i have been trying to convey a few posts ago, it's frontier who's not seeing the bigger picture.
your cutthroat galaxy aspirations are perfectly ok.
someone else's aspirations to putter back with loads of explo data completely unmolested are also perfectly ok.
frontier should make up their mind about what game they are actually selling, or make it work for both. it obviously doesn't, or you two wouldn't be arguing.

there's really not much more to it.

I agree with ya. I think we are on the way to defining how this game should be played. I smell a pretty big BGS rework coming with the way they left up one clicking and the way transactions are. They reworked crime and punishment and engineers.

They are leveling the playing field so everyone has a fair chance for engagement.

They are laying the foundation right now and like 10 people on these forums understand it. The rest are running around like a chicken with their heads cut off. Getting their birthdays ruined or condoning combat logging.

Everything they are talking about is gonna change.

But hey, like Morhgan said Ive never been right about anything.

 

[Sylveria]

Probably. But I bet they feel pretty dumb when they end up saying,

You know, 90s was right this whole time. It wont be the first time either. And it wont be the last.

What happens if you're wrong, instead? Would you feel pretty dumb?

This is where the unilateral views come into play.

 

[Mohrgan]

as i have been trying to convey a few posts ago, it's frontier who's not seeing the bigger picture.
your cutthroat galaxy aspirations are perfectly ok.
someone else's aspirations to putter back with loads of explo data completely unmolested are also perfectly ok.
frontier should make up their mind about what game they are actually selling, or make it work for both. it obviously doesn't, or you two wouldn't be arguing.

there's really not much more to it.

It could certainly work, if everyone accepted that there are as many paths in this game, as there are players. Seek out, and enjoy what you like, and leave others to do the same. Kind of like the Golden Rule, in space.

 

[Mohrgan]

Probably. But I bet they feel pretty dumb when they end up saying,

You know, 90s was right this whole time. It wont be the first time either. And it wont be the last.

You stated that if FD don't make the changes you want in the Beyond season, you would leave the game, for good. As it turns out that was just another example of your predictions being wrong.

I don't want you to leave the game, nor forums. I would like you to accept that there are a multitude of ways to play this game, and just get on with pursuing yours.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Funny, I actually can't see anyone out of the miniscule PvP community that would ever utter those words !

Probably because most of the PVPers in this game understand the game. Some of them dont. They just play to fight. Some of them dont understand the framework of the BGS or Powerplay. We grind to fight each other instead of using the framework because its unbalanced. So thats where everyone is.

I want to be able to use those things as they intended for them to work against each other. Again, I am not the only one.

Another thing, PVPers understand every aspect of this game and see the problems in balancing long before anyone else. We are the ones showing heat is an issue, we are the ones showing that there is an imbalance with shield boosters.

We understand the game because we take part of have tried to take part in every aspect of it. We have the proof and the knowledge to talk to the people in charge to fix those problems.

No different than the top tier raiders in World Of warcraft, or the Diamond ranked and Above in League of Legends.

Do you really think the balancing teams are going to listen to a level 20 warcraft player about a raid?

Or a Bronze league player about balancing skills and abilities?