The Border Coalition

Hi Walt

Just a few questions that I have a feeling a some folk would like to know the answers too. Hopefully it will help define what this is all about in a positive way.

Is this an anti existing powers movement?

Is this an anti archon thing?

Is this because archon moved in to the mercs space and it messed with what you are doing with the BGS?

Are existing powers welcome to be part of this thing?

If so which ones are and why?

If so which ones are not and why not?

"The Border Coalition is union of player minor factions on the edge of civilized space joined by necessity to protect each other from encroachment of aggressive major powers."

Can Powers with player minor factions join this thing?

If not why not?

If so how is conflict resolved between two opposing minor factions resolved in this thing?

The groups that have signed up are not on the edge of civilized space, what's there motivation?

Do these groups such as Communism Interstellar have a leaning toward any particular Major Power such as the Alliance?

"In its current form, the Coalition is simply a defensive pact..." Has this thing assaulted any space outside of its current regions or asked others such as the neutral group of scientist and researchers called the Canonn to attack groups it sees as a threat ?

'In the event that one of the factions involved becomes a power, that faction will ask Frontier to make the created power representative of the Border Coalition' Will you resign at this point or will you try and grow a power base?


With factions such as CI and the Mercs working together, is it reasonable to say that other faction types such as democracies that are in the same space will be second class citizens or have their expansions opposed by this group?


'We seek to be peaceful with all the current powers.' If this is the case, is there any truth to organised snipe attacks and system flipping being carried out by this thing and its members?

If peace is what is being sought where is the current conflict and who does it effect?

'If a power is grabbing independent territory of the Border Coalition ...' Does this cover every single player group no matter what the minor faction government type? For instance will communism interstellar and the mercs assist a democracy based on their borders for example?

What exactly do you mean by grabbing? Do you mean preparing and expanding there through power play or as any player faction might do through expansion, civil wars and system flipping?

Are player factions immune but only power play powers resisted?

If this thing becomes a power does that not mean that the independent identity of the minor factions and their different polictal frame works will be erased?

To some this comes across as a wanna be power being divisive. What guarantees can you give them that no back room deals are being made or have ever been requested? Forinstacne have you asked any power to assist you in secret with your goals?

If this thing becomes a power what government type will it have?

To some this just sounds like the Alliance which already exists. So what's the difference?





'If you are a freedom fighter please contact Walt Kerman' If a player were to say Waly I am a freedom fighter and my faction is being attacked by powers can you please destory all major powers , even though unlikely would you attempt it or just pick on the small powers?

What make you think that freedom fight have faith and certainty in this thing as the very first battle with Archon was lost ?



Note at the time of writing these questions the Mercs lost Wadir even after calling in back-up to the Archon power and are currently fighting off his current expansion in to their home system where archon is not putting in any effort at all. 1190 merits on the attack (20000 is a fairly normal figure) vs 11730 on defence.

Have the mercs been solid been put in place or struck a deal with the pirate lord?
 
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Hi Walt

Just a few questions that I have a feeling a some folk would like to know the answers too. Hopefully it will help define what this is all about in a positive way.

Sure

Is this an anti existing powers movement?

No. Its an anti-aggressive powers movement when it affects our way of play. A playstyle we have been pursuing since launch before powers even existed. There are powers that already recognize the Border Coalition.

Is this an anti archon thing?

No, but if Archon tries to flip our factions from feudal it is. Our resistance in Wadir was to try to keep Archon from hurting himself. We will fight for our feudal factions, and feudal factions hurt Archon. We have been putting feudal factions in that area since game launch 2014.

Is this because archon moved in to the mercs space and it messed with what you are doing with the BGS?

Yes. The game encourages Archon to flip factions away from feudal. Moreover, control systems give negative states to the controlling faction when power play ships die in their system. This picture shows the states created when power play ships died in Mikunn during the attempted expansion. We would rather avoid a weekly version of this when systems are undermined. This is in addition to the encouragement that Archon receives to flip our factions and the power play ships in our area when that space is exploited. We like it quiet here.

Are existing powers welcome to be part of this thing?
If so which ones are and why?
If so which ones are not and why not?

Sure. If anypower wants to protect our independent minor factions or recognize us as independant they are encouraged to do so. Many have, including as of this week Archon, who also has reason to celebrate.

"The Border Coalition is union of player minor factions on the edge of civilized space joined by necessity to protect each other from encroachment of aggressive major powers."

Can Powers with player minor factions join this thing?

If not why not?

If so how is conflict resolved between two opposing minor factions resolved in this thing?

All powers probably have a player minor faction or two. Since the purpose is to be independant from the existing powers (unless the concerned minor faction grants access) then I reallly don't see the purpose in a power joining unless it was to grant and support the independence of the minor factions involved.



The groups that have signed up are not on the edge of civilized space, what's there motivation?

To remain independent without being exploited if they so choose. Moreover, the game encourages powers to flip away from a system type. More often than not that causes them to roll over smaller minor factions.


Do these groups such as Communism Interstellar have a leaning toward any particular Major Power such as the Alliance?

We lean toward assisting the powers that assist us.

"In its current form, the Coalition is simply a defensive pact..." Has this thing assaulted any space outside of its current regions or asked others such as the neutral group of scientist and researchers called the Canonn to attack groups it sees as a threat?

The Canonn has just a strong desire to stay independant from the major powers as we do. As a result many Canonneers were found fighting alongside the Border Coalition in Wadir. They can expect the return of the favor from the Mercs if the time arises, though they have not decided to join the Border Coalition yet.

'In the event that one of the factions involved becomes a power, that faction will ask Frontier to make the created power representative of the Border Coalition' Will you resign at this point or will you try and grow a power base?

As a defensive alliance, the purpose is to survive. If that means becoming a power, so be it. Alternatively, the Freedom Fighters update may serve that role.


With factions such as CI and the Mercs working together, is it reasonable to say that other faction types such as democracies that are in the same space will be second class citizens or have their expansions opposed by this group?

Any other player factions are welcome to join and be represented if their faction is in the area. We have been pretty good at contacting these, as this is how the Border Coalition formed.


'We seek to be peaceful with all the current powers.' If this is the case, is there any truth to organised snipe attacks and system flipping being carried out by this thing and its members?

Yes. The organized snipe attack on Archon is about the same size as the organized snipe attack Archon pulled to take Wadir.

If peace is what is being sought where is the current conflict and who does it effect?

The current conflict was with Archon. An amicable peace treaty has all but been reached which properly addresses the concerns of the Border Coalition member affected. Moreover it recognizes the space of the remaining Coalition members. Archon also seems happy with the outcome. This is the sign of a good deal.

'If a power is grabbing independent territory of the Border Coalition ...' Does this cover every single player group no matter what the minor faction government type? For instance will communism interstellar and the mercs assist a democracy based on their borders for example?

No. It only assists members who sign up and Freedom fight for the Coalition. Moreover, it only recognizes factions of the player group that are part of the coalition. CI watches over many factions, but only two are protected as part of the Coalition.

What exactly do you mean by grabbing? Do you mean preparing and expanding there through power play or as any player faction might do through expansion, civil wars and system flipping?

Grabbing as in the unwanted exploitation of our systems. A member may very well allow a power inside, but that is up to the discretion of that member who's space is affected. There are currently three members and we uphold each others right to choose the minor factions within 1.5 x the maximum expansion range ever spotted from their home system. In other words, the current members are allowed to choose the factions within 45LY of their home system. This space is smaller than it sounds because much of it is empty space as we are on the border of colonized space.

Are player factions immune but only power play powers resisted?

Player factions are encouraged to join. We keep close watch on new player factions attempting to start off in our area. TWH originally tried to create a minor faction next to Mikunn. A deal was cordially reached, they relocated, and are now part of the Border Coalition. This demonstrates our willingness to reach out to other PMF's. We understand their plight more than the existing powers do. The current powers came into existence after we did. We have been here for a very long time.

If this thing becomes a power does that not mean that the independent identity of the minor factions and their different polictal frame works will be erased?

Not necesarily. Just as Pranav makes choices based on RP and exploration that might not otherwise make sense for Powerplay, our power can make decisions to protect other minor factions. Alternatively Freedom Fighting may be an option. Unfortunately we are told that this is on the backburner.

To some this comes across as a wanna be power being divisive. What guarantees can you give them that no back room deals are being made or have ever been requested? Forinstacne have you asked any power to assist you in secret with your goals?

We have been asked by powers to assist them with their goals. Players are free to help who they wish, but no organized aggressive actions on behalf of the coalition will be taken on another power unless another power attacks us first. In that scenario an organized action will be created, otherwise players may do as they wish, though officers are asked to hold themselves to a higher standard as public figures. As stated in the OP we seek peace with the current powers. If we can come to a peace agreement with the pirate lord, we are clearly not being divisive.

If this thing becomes a power what government type will it have?

It will be a loose coalition of the government types involved, as determined acceptable by Frontier primarily, and secondarily by the members involved.

To some this just sounds like the Alliance which already exists. So what's the difference?

The alliance has become too centralized.

Even a federation is defined thus:
A federation (also known as a federal state) is a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions under a central (federal) government.

Even the federation claims to be comprised of self governing states. While our union is similar to the Alliance in that we retain our independence, this does not mean that we hold the same values. For example, if the Alliance holds our territory, the game encourages them to flip factions away from both feudal, communist, and cooperative. Currently 100% of the members of the Border Coalition are these government types. As a result, how can we be represented by the alliance?


'If you are a freedom fighter please contact Walt Kerman' If a player were to say Waly I am a freedom fighter and my faction is being attacked by powers can you please destory all major powers , even though unlikely would you attempt it or just pick on the small powers?

What make you think that freedom fight have faith and certainty in this thing as the very first battle with Archon was lost ?

We would have to take it on a case by case basis. Other freedom fighters would be free to help, but an organized attempt would only be made if we found them to be in the right. The battle for Wadir was initially lost, but our current deal allows the Border Coalition to choose the local minor factions. Archon gets to keep Wadir, but has to suffer the poor fortification modifier. We are happy to move control our minor factions as we see fit and Archon seems to be happy with the result as well. The military operation was a success in that Archon will recognize our faction types in the area even though he is adverse to him. Likewise Archon can claim a victory because he gets to keep Wadir should he so choose. Both sides winning is the sign of a good deal.



Note at the time of writing these questions the Mercs lost Wadir even after calling in back-up to the Archon power and are currently fighting off his current expansion in to their home system where archon is not putting in any effort at all. 1190 merits on the attack (20000 is a fairly normal figure) vs 11730 on defence.

This is incorrect. We did not resist the Mikunn expansion when we saw how bad it was for Wadir. If Archon wanted to keep fighting we were content to let him take Mikunn as it would only prove making the fight for Wadir easier. Random players may have contributed to the meager sum of 11730, which is less than 5% of the previous operation for Wadir. Archon did not fight for Mikunn and we did not snipe again disabling expansions like we had in the previous cycle. As a result, a treaty is being finalized that addresses both parties concerns.

Have the mercs been solid been put in place or struck a deal with the pirate lord?

I don't understand that question.
 
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Seeing as the Boarder Coalition is starting to flex its muscles and get attention in the wider galaxy, perhaps now is the time to clarify the nature of the alliance and its underlying ideologies to curious pilots? Quite a few people seem to think of it as Alliance-lite, but the Coalition is filled with too many strange bedfellows for that to be an adequate explanation. The fringe worlds are a curious place.
 
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Seeing as the Boarder Coalition is starting to flex its muscles and get attention in the wider galaxy, perhaps now is the time to clarify the nature of the alliance and its underlying ideologies to curious pilots? Quite a few people seem to think of it as Alliance-lite, but the Coalition is filled with too many strange bedfellows for that to be an adequate explanation. The fringe worlds are a curious place.

Yeah thats what my other thread is for. I just haven't gotten around to transferring over here yet. But I see you managed to gather exactly what we are about in one of your posts, which was quite accurate.
 
Ok :)
I tink we need more propaganda like forum thread in more visable place, main discord server and subreddit...
 
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rootsrat

Volunteer Moderator
It was. And you're actually correct with the rules. Never mind, no biggie :)

(I like the other thread better to be honest!)

Yeah I know. I need to update this one. I need to work out the difference requested between the Border Coalition and the Power version of it. Literally the border coalition was supposed to become the power as mentioned up top but since that is "confusing" some of our members and they want it to be distinguished between the "new" thing (in reality it was always going to be this way) I am now trying to figure out how to distinguish it by creating something new and what that will be called.

BUT calling the power version of this by a new name is going to confuse even more people.....
 
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Argh but you are right. This really needs to be sorted out now. I have an idea, I'm going to type up how I view this and propose the solution on our joint forums.

Ill make some food and grab my laptop. Ill figure this out today.
 

rootsrat

Volunteer Moderator
I don't think we need to separate this. People just need to be aware that Power is just a part of what The Border Coalition is in total. TBC existed before the games and it will exist after the games are over, regardless of the result. No need for name change. The Power will be called after the NPC that represents TBC in Powerplay.

I think the most important thing here is that TBC is much more than just a Power and the Games and we need to make people understand that.
 
I don't think we need to separate this. People just need to be aware that Power is just a part of what The Border Coalition is in total. TBC existed before the games and it will exist after the games are over, regardless of the result. No need for name change. The Power will be called after the NPC that represents TBC in Powerplay.

I think the most important thing here is that TBC is much more than just a Power and the Games and we need to make people understand that.

At the bi-weekly meeting it was a big point of contention and to clear it up I had to say that we would separate the two.

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Solution is up in our forum.
 
Yeah, well they have to be called somethiing thats somewhat different to distinguish and I think I have it.
I don't have access to the internal forum (and that's appropriate because I'm not even a member) but might I suggest using our leader's name to represent our power? Tiberius Darvil is the interim leader, yes, and he doesn't effectively control the Coalition as a whole (because nobody does - it's a movement of people who voluntarily committed to informally work together) but all powers at present use their leaders name as their moniker. Like how Archon Delaine has the Kumo Crew, Tiberius Darvil (or whoever is picked to replace him - he is interim leader at present) has the Coaliton - he's not really in control of it, and almost all branches operate with complete autonomy and pursue their own agendas, but he's the person they rally around when action needs to be taken.
 
I don't have access to the internal forum (and that's appropriate because I'm not even a member) but might I suggest using our leader's name to represent our power? Tiberius Darvil is the interim leader, yes, and he doesn't effectively control the Coalition as a whole (because nobody does - it's a movement of people who voluntarily committed to informally work together) but all powers at present use their leaders name as their moniker. Like how Archon Delaine has the Kumo Crew, Tiberius Darvil (or whoever is picked to replace him - he is interim leader at present) has the Coaliton - he's not really in control of it, and almost all branches operate with complete autonomy and pursue their own agendas, but he's the person they rally around when action needs to be taken.

My proposed idea was to roll with the Border Coalition the whole way through and to look into calling it something slightly different when we get there. And also having something all inclusive to call our supporters. I think the lore guys and the RP players will love what I proposed if the others accept it.
 
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