The CODE messing with Yum Kamcabi system and the CG

[Arguendo]

So, we have a problem at this point in time. We have the code ruining the CG by unfairly interdicting people, and either ending them or forcing them to drop their stuff with the threats of killing them. I myself am sick of this and would like to get a group of strong players to run them out. Who would like to join me?

Part in bold green is a call to arms, not for a discussion on piracy.

Part in bold green is a call for a discussion on piracy, not a call to arms.

See, there's more to the initial OP than the last part. And the "I myself am sick of this.." part doesn't exactly strike me as a player who is out looking for fun.

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It's my understanding that this is exactly how the game is supposed to be played. OP wants to do something about it, whines less than others but he still didn't word it well enough [rolleyes].

Totally agreed. Had he omitted the part about "unfairly interdicting" all would be well. Unfortunately he didn't, and hence didn't come off the way he may have intended.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Part in bold green is a call for a discussion on piracy, not a call to arms.

He explicitly asked for people to join him (in combat) but made no reference to having a conversation.

Could this not be a case of "see what you want to see" ? Granted, if you believe he is wrong in his assertion (the part you bolded) that could be a talking point but I do not believe that was the intent with his thread.

And the "I myself am sick of this.." part doesn't exactly strike me as a player who is out looking for fun.

Who said playing ED was fun ?

Totally agreed. Had he omitted the part about "unfairly interdicting" all would be well. Unfortunately he didn't, and hence didn't come off the way he may have intended.

It would appear his intention was a badly worded call to arms.

Thank you - we're now in agreement.

 

[Ca$hback]

My eyeroll was for the people who jump at any chance to criticise. Boost their egos with one-ups. Could give hima bit of credit but instead they latch onto what makes them feel superior.

 

[Ozram]

He explicitly asked for people to join him (in combat) but made no reference to having a conversation.

Could this not be a case of "see what you want to see" ? Granted, if you believe he is wrong in his assertion (the part you bolded) that could be a talking point but I do not believe that was the intent with his thread.


Who said playing ED was fun ?

He didn't ask for commanders to resist the blockade, he asked for "strong players" to help stop the Code from "ruining the CG". TBH, I like the odd pvp and may even go help out, but if what he meant was as you describe, that is in no way clear from how it was written.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

He didn't ask for commanders to resist the blockade, he asked for "strong players" to help stop the Code from "ruining the CG".

I didn't say he wanted commanders to resist the blockade - I said he wanted people to join him in combat.

I don't know his motives or intentions other than wanting strong players to kick Code.

My point still remains, i care not what you guys think is fair and what isnt, my main question is, who wants to go bust their heads and run them out?

Guess this follow up post by the OP kind of clears up the confusion regarding "talking"

<shrug> Pointless discussion anyway - I can't help him, and I should really be doing my work

 

[Arindor]

Unfortunately, OP, this is legitimate gameplay. It is a CG, and everyone (not just them) are entitled to target those in that system. As for whether they care about the system, or the reason for the CG, is another matter. IMO, it always appears that they just use CGs as an excuse for consensual PvP rather than the RPG.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

On a completely unrelated note I am glad code are making a comeback ... game needs more pirates (and less murderers)

 

[Agony_Aunt]

On a completely unrelated note I am glad code are making a comeback ... game needs more pirates (and less murderers)

Agreed. Yay for Code!

(Goes back to hiding in PG )

 

[the100thmonkey]

Player pirates actually RPing and demanding cargo!?

Good on them!

 

[amigacooke]

Unfortunately, OP, this is legitimate gameplay. It is a CG, and everyone (not just them) are entitled to target those in that system. As for whether they care about the system, or the reason for the CG, is another matter. IMO, it always appears that they just use CGs as an excuse for consensual PvP rather than the RPG.

It is legitimate gameplay, but that doesn't make it fair. As I understand the concept of piracy, pirates do not engage in fair fights, too likely to take damage that eats into profits.

I think the OP is quite entitled to complain that piracy is unfair (that's a given) and gather up a posse to chase the 'ornery critters out of town.

 

[SpeakerToAliens]

I've been stopped and pirated 4 times in the last few days. They demanded 60, 80, 4 and 30 tons respectively (yes, just 4 tons out of 200, maybe his hold was full?). It's the first time I've been pirated during a CG rather than simply being blown away for the Hell of it.

I'm cool with it. It makes a refreshing change.
If you don't like it, try think of it as a trading tax.
If you don't like it, wing up and do something about it.
If you really don't like it, why are you flying in Open?

 

[two quiet suns]

though i am a pve player massive respect to the code for playing the part. I am quite burnt out by cg's now, these guys tempt me to open!

 

[Thetele]

I would say that this is unfair for the pirates (and has always been), bad instancing, combat logging and the cargo is destroyed if the target leave instance etc. Killing people or running away from pirates is so easy. And that is without the open vs solo argument.

 

[Hitsuke]

No, not at all. The OP said "unfair" piracy, and i responded asking why its unfair and giving my view that it isnt unfair. Not once did i say that he shouldnt group together to rid the galaxy of this pirate threat, as that is just a good and valid reason for pvp.
What specifically i didnt like was he was doing it because he believes it is unfair piracy.

Erm... isnt all piracy "unfair" by definition? Yes, yes it is. He isn't saying they are exploiting or cheating, he's saying it's simply unfair, and the last time I checked, piracy wasn't some form of legitimate, law abiding, honest form of income.

While it's all good RP and well within the game mechanics, and the spirit of the game, its still fundamentally unfair on those being pirated lol.

Get off your high horse!

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On a completely unrelated note I am glad code are making a comeback ... game needs more pirates (and less murderers)

Agreed, it makes the game what it is, and the less sociopathic "murderers", who mindlessly kill, the better.

 

[bootsam]

Eh? Nothing to see here. Code pirating is fine and even I may tempted out of group as it sounds like a laugh. The scurvy dogs.

 

[Comrade Error]

While i hate ganking and actual stupid/unfair forms of pvp, how is this form of player piracy / blockading unfair? If they just wiped the players from the instance with no comms etc then yeah just being annoying, but they are (from your sentence above) making them drop the cg goods / playing the pirate roleplaying a blockade-eer.

Isn't piracy by definition unfair? Don't really have a problem with what OP is doing, well I do subjectivly, he would kill me, and I have a problem with everyone who wants to kill me, but from an objective view, yea go ahead do whatever, grief the pirates to your hearts content!

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Agreed. In fact we as a community should encourage this sort of behavior - announce you're running a blockade and give people the option to jump out or try their chances.

On the forums and stuff sure.. but shouldn't the community hunt the pirates and [sad][sad][sad][sad]. .-.

 

[Hitsuke]

Isn't piracy by definition unfair? Don't really have a problem with what OP is doing, well I do subjectivly, he would kill me, and I have a problem with everyone who wants to kill me, but from an objective view, yea go ahead do whatever, grief the pirates to your hearts content!

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On the forums and stuff sure.. but shouldn't the community hunt the pirates and [sad][sad][sad][sad]. .-.

You've just echoed my above point exactly m8. Ill rep your post when im back on my PC, as i can't rep on mobile afaik.

 

[Comrade Error]

You've just echoed my above point exactly m8. Ill rep your post when im back on my PC, as i can't rep on mobile afaik.

Ah didn't notice it, yes reps for you too.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I remember the Code!

 

[Hairy Polo]

To OP; this is legit gameplay. Real pirates do not want to kill traders. Without traders there are no pirates. We also don't want all of your cargo as we understand for piracy to be profitable (which actually its probably the worst paying job in the game - but plenty of adrenaline for the junkies), the trader needs to make a profit too. Intimidation can work, but remember this: A 'good' pirate will do whatever they can to not kill the trader. If there is a non-compliance after warning, then take out shields, then thrusters/drives and sent off those cute little hatch breakers. However, if you fire back then that's where you risk seeing the re-buy screen. I think the real problem is whether the trader thinks the pirate is a pirate or a griefer/ganker. Generally a pirate will communicate from the go.......a griefer usually doesn't. I've even known pirates to offer an escort or stand guard with the trader while their ship reboots, after the goods have been collected! My wing cmdr is a good mentor [yesnod]