The codex screenshot for the The Dark Wheel - Which system is it?

I'm starting to lean towards the idea that the station won't appear in the nav panel at all, and will probably require dropping (blindly) out of supercruise close enough to find it. If that's the case then a crucial aspect to finding the station will involve comparing the Codex image to screenshots taken at the target locations and then searching the systems that match with a fine tooth comb.
If that's the case it may as well not exist. Even if you happened to get the right moon (with nothing obvious to distinguish it) the chances of dropping out at the right place would be basically zero.

Another important aspect that probably will need to be worked out is calculating the distance an Orbis station would orbit a particular moon based off the mass of the moon (and other relevant factors). That could both narrow the search even further, as that would allow us to discard some of the systems where the ratio of the moon against the star's backdrop won't match the Codex screenshot and will greatly reduce the search area for the eventual blind supercruise drop search.
I think the only relevant parameter there is the apparent size of the moon in the screenshot - assuming a circular orbit, of course... I don't recall ever seeing a station in a non-circular orbit, but on the other hand I don't see any intrinsic reason they couldn't be, which would make it more complex. Stations can be in pretty varied orbits even around the same body.
 
The Codex says you searching for them is pointless and that they come to you in a disguise to offer you a test of skill.. We wont be able to find them by searching... Some of us think it is the Polaris system which is locked behind a unknown permit.. I suggest accepting and completing all missions offered by people contacting you and checking out all tipoffs, of course after grinding the known Dark Wheel faction repto full... There have been players at this for years lol and nothing yet... A group of us have even read through the novels and everything
 
The Codex says you searching for them is pointless and that they come to you in a disguise to offer you a test of skill.. We wont be able to find them by searching... Some of us think it is the Polaris system which is locked behind a unknown permit.. I suggest accepting and completing all missions offered by people contacting you and checking out all tipoffs, of course after grinding the known Dark Wheel faction repto full... There have been players at this for years lol and nothing yet... A group of us have even read through the novels and everything
During the weekend I've been trying to improve the influence of TDW in LFT 926, in which they have 14% influence. I've been doing strategic courier missions, which had follow up missions and each time they were more difficult. I've been also doing passenger missions, giving rides to scientists, generals, heads of state and rebel leaders. Tip off missions were triggered as well, and while doing my 3rd tip off mission (+++ scan), the game started crashing over and over again.

After giving up on that tip off mission and returning to LFT 926, I've discovered that the only passenger missions offered to me were rich tourist missions. No generals, no leaders, no heads of state. I've managed to find one mission with a famous explorer that didn't want to go too far (approx. 1.5kLy) so I'll see what'll happen when I come back.
 
Resurrecting this thread as I think I found a new candidate star type:

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This shot of the unappealing rump of my anaconda was taken in Pi1-Gruis which has an S-type star as primary. This was taken at 700ls distance from the star, so plenty of space to get a GG with 8 moons in..

S-type stars are M-types at the end of their life on their way to being a carbon star. I suspect there aren't too many of them to search for....
 
Our search did include class S stars, here's the most up to date information about the search:

Gas giant with 8+ moons
• I think we should also count moons of moons just in case. We just don't know what FDev's stance on this is so I say we should include them just in case. It's fairly easy to calculate anyway so why risk it?
Orbiting a star with a solar radius > 10.0
• Gas giants with 8+ moons don't orbit non-giant stars at the distances that would be required to match the Codex image.
• Probably over 30.0, but let's not take any chances here.
The ratio between the solar radius of the star and the distance to the gas giant needs to be over 1% (0.01).
The host star is very likely the primary star of the system

• I've seen one or two systems that have a very massive star as the primary star, and then a ~30 solar radius star as the secondary star. It's very rare, though not impossible.
Possible star types are class M, C, CN, MS or S
• These are all star types that can, under the right temperature, produce the orange/red color we see from the Codex image.
• Only M class giants and super giants could fit the size we are looking for, so red dwarfs are out.
• Tauri stars can match the color, but they don't come anywhere near the size we are looking for.
• Class C, CN, MS and S are all very rare star types. EDSM's 5,000 ly search around Sol returns 6,360 class M giants and supergiants vs. 332 of all the other types combined.
The speculative temperature of the star is between 2,000-3,000K
• All giant stars of the star types above I've visited that were below 2,000K were rendered using the deep red star texture and those above 3,000K were too yellow IMO. The closer to 2,000K the better.
Here's the latest spreadsheet that contains all the systems that fit this criteria within 5000 LY of Sol (last updated in April 2019)

I personally visited all those systems except for one and took screenshots from the 8th moon of the gas giant with the star in the backdrop.
 
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After the fiasco with the trailer for The guardians, do you believe they'll repeat the same mistake and put in the actual game footage?
 
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Could it be in orbit around a T-Tauri?
Just cos they're variable.
Not impossible in terms of star colour, but I think unlikely

1) T-Tauri stars are generally pretty small, so it'd be implausible the gas giant was close enough for the apparent sizes

2) T-Tauri star systems are young, so large moon systems around the gas giants are extremely rare

Obviously if the system it's in is hand-crafted, anything could happen.
 
I haven't seen anyone mention TDW logo. Their emblem is a dragon with 3 notable circles of descending size. I'm currently looking in Draco constellation, blindly - but maybe that's a way to focus the search?

I haven't found any other explanation as to why it is a dragon.
 
I haven't seen anyone mention TDW logo. Their emblem is a dragon with 3 notable circles of descending size. I'm currently looking in Draco constellation, blindly - but maybe that's a way to focus the search?

I haven't found any other explanation as to why it is a dragon.
Either that's just the independent faction logo, or my adopted local faction is also Dark Wheel.
 
Y'know in the codex description it says that anyone who tries to usurp the dark wheel name gets put down.
My suggestion:
1. Create a player squadron (minor faction if possible) called the dark wheel with only elite players.
2. See who tries to kill you.
 
I personally visited all those systems except for one and took screenshots from the 8th moon of the gas giant with the star in the backdrop.
I just visited the last system on the spreadsheet, NGC 2682 FBC 3456. It's a tricky system to reach, high above the galactic plane and you can only reach it via a one way neutron boost jump. So once you're in you can't get back home without self destructing:



Someone had visited that system and had posted a video in another thread but had been looking at the wrong planet (d'oh!) so I decided to make the journey out there myself.

As expected, no sign of the station and the ratio between the star solar radius and the distance to the moon turned out to be way too low. I couldn't calculate it without visiting the system since the star the gas giant was orbiting was not the primary star. Well, at least now all the systems on the spreadsheet have been visited and have screenshots available of the moon with the star in the backdrop (as seen in the Codex image).

I've updated the spreadsheet.
 
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• Class C, CN, MS and S are all very rare star types. EDSM's 5,000 ly search around Sol returns 6,360 class M giants and supergiants vs. 332 of all the other types combined.
It's been 3 months since I pulled the data from EDSM and the number of these big star types (within 5,000 ly of Sol) was at the time sitting at 6,692. That number has doubled and is now sitting at a whopping 13,098 stars. I'm going to spend the next couple of days working through the new data and see if we get some new systems to investigate.
 
After visiting a lot of potential candiate systems I think it's safe to revise a few of the points I made about the systems we are looking for:

Orbiting a star with a solar radius > 10.0
• Gas giants with 8+ moons don't orbit non-giant stars at the distances that would be required to match the Codex image.
• Probably over 30.0, but let's not take any chances here.
The solar radius number can be revised to >30.0 instead of >10.0.
All the giant stars I have visited that had a solar radius below 30.0 looked too small when viewed from the 8th moon, or in other words the ratio between the solar radius of the star and the distance to the gas giant was too low.

The ratio between the solar radius of the star and the distance to the gas giant needs to be over 1% (0.01).
The 0.01 ratio turned out to be too conservative. We are probably looking for ratios above 0.025 (>2.5%)

The speculative temperature of the star is between 2,000-3,000K
• All giant stars of the star types above I've visited that were below 2,000K were rendered using the deep red star texture and those above 3,000K were too yellow IMO. The closer to 2,000K the better.
I have noticed that C and S class stars below 2,000K are rendered using the deep red star texture but M class giants below 2,000K can be rendered with the deep orange color. I don't know what the lower temperature boundaries are where the switch to the deep red star texture happens, I've only visited one sub 2,000 K M class giant, located in R Doradus with a temperature of 1,866K. A system in the bubble that does not have a gas giant with 8+ moons.
The curious thing about those sub 2,000K S or C class stars is that they appear yellow/orange on the Galaxy Map and during the last hyperspace jump but as soon as you instance into the system they are all using the deep red colored star texture.

With that said here is a link to the updated spreadsheet. The data was collected from EDSM between 29.07.2019 and 30.07.2019.
The number of systems is down to 18, all of which could fit he Codex image very well.

And finally, I'm making the system/bodies JSON files from EDSM available here if anybody wants to do their own analysis without having to go through the time and effort of pulling this information straight from EDSM's API service. A total of 12,961 systems, all systems within 5,000 LY of Sol that has any of the star types we are looking for (M giants and super giants, C, CN, S or MS) with no other filtering done.
 
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And finally, I'm making the system/bodies JSON files from EDSM available here if anybody wants to do their own analysis without having to go through the time and effort of pulling this information straight from EDSM's API service. A total of 12,961 systems, all systems within 5,000 LY of Sol that has any of the star types we are looking for (M giants and super giants, C, CN, S or MS) with no other filtering done.
The download apparently does not work. Google drive unavailable.

o7...
 
Is there any reason to believe it's an in-game screenshot rather than just an artist's rendition?
Only that if the station exists in game, but the picture in the Codex doesn't resemble it when it's eventually found, that would be a bit strange later.

The Colonia, Thargoid and Guardian pictures are clearly in-game renders (I could duplicate the Colonia one very closely with a little patience to get the lighting right) ... while the three superpower and Individuals ones are clearly not in-game (Raxxla and Corporations look to be heavily post-processed in-game renders). The Codex one looks like an in-game screenshot with no more post-processing than the Guardians one, so it would be odd if the station was eventually found orbiting an A-class star instead.
 
Only that if the station exists in game, but the picture in the Codex doesn't resemble it when it's eventually found, that would be a bit strange later.

The Colonia, Thargoid and Guardian pictures are clearly in-game renders (I could duplicate the Colonia one very closely with a little patience to get the lighting right) ... while the three superpower and Individuals ones are clearly not in-game (Raxxla and Corporations look to be heavily post-processed in-game renders). The Codex one looks like an in-game screenshot with no more post-processing than the Guardians one, so it would be odd if the station was eventually found orbiting an A-class star instead.
FDev don't always apply that level of fidelity to placing of assets - the Zurara should have been in a system with an ELW (based on the novel admittedly, not a screenshot).

In addition, even if the station is in a red star system, the image looks a little too contrived. It wouldn't have looked anywhere near as pretty if the star was a little dot 1,000 Ls away. We'd have to assume FDev planned (in 2014) for it to look pretty in a screenshot, or just happened to get really lucky. Neither of which seems likely.

Finally, to my knowledge nobody ever found the body used in the Horizons menu screen - or even anything remotely like it.

It looks like an optimistic assumption to me (but I'm very cynical ;) ).

Thanks for the info on the other Codex images though.
 
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