If that happened then it kind of tells the lie to the "we want you to be safe" and "we want you to protect others" narrative. Deliberately immersing an unvaccinated person in a bunch of covid patients certainly isn't protecting them, and if they're more likely to get sick (and more sick) then they're more likely to spread it to other people, which is kind of why you're insisting they get vaccinated isn't it? So yeah... that's obviously just punitive and if you support that then you're lying about your true motivations.
General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?
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I used the road example because it's something I don't want or need. Almost everything my tax dollars are, or could possibly be, spent on are things I don't want, government itself not the least among them.
All those things are still there, and there is no reason for me to not take advantage of the ones that are of net benefit to me, even if I'd rather almost all of them not exist.
Mandate in Austria announced.
Patients come first and it was safer for every single one who wasn't infected, it made no difference at all to the infected. It also seems to have worked as an educational exercise and since a no jab no job policy has already been announced may have saved their job. Potentially it saved their life and now affords them better protection as an individual, plus all the patients they are contact with going forward. They can also now work though exposure periods rather than isolating taking pressure off the rest of that team. Vaccination is all about protection.
Anti-vaxxer dies after intentionally catching Covid
A man has died and others are fighting for their lives after a slew of “corona parties” in Italy, where attendees went with the purpose of catching Covid.
www.news.com.au
We are past the point where I find this stuff surprising anymore.Anti-vaxxer dies after intentionally catching Covid
A man has died and others are fighting for their lives after a slew of “corona parties” in Italy, where attendees went with the purpose of catching Covid.
The rest of the anti-vaxxers will learn nothing from this, they'll dismiss it as "fake news" or he'll be labelled a "crisis actor".
Sadly true.
DW reports Germany is triaging entry to ICU. Not enough spaces. 4th wave.
This is impacting nonCovid critical care. Essentially people are picking winners who get care, and losers who are allowed to run their course.
This is new to German doctors, and unthinkable for the population, but here it's just regular Wednesday and frankly we never had so many ICU beds before, so nobody ought to complain.
Neighbours here called desperately looking for methylprednisone. Hospitals have run out. They have family in the Covid unit. Gave them some from our stockpile. Generic stuff is worth about $10 for 500 doses.
Meantime Dr. Richards is busy on the Angostura board... how can you expect her to also be maintaining supply of drugs to ICUs? She's busy making Bitters.
2 Covid cases tried to gain access to our ICU yesterday, pretending they have something else. Nobody wants local public care if they can avoid it.
Would say that we've never seen so many die of being stupid, but on reflection, stupid is probably the leading cause of death and always was.
This is impacting nonCovid critical care. Essentially people are picking winners who get care, and losers who are allowed to run their course.
This is new to German doctors, and unthinkable for the population, but here it's just regular Wednesday and frankly we never had so many ICU beds before, so nobody ought to complain.
Neighbours here called desperately looking for methylprednisone. Hospitals have run out. They have family in the Covid unit. Gave them some from our stockpile. Generic stuff is worth about $10 for 500 doses.
Meantime Dr. Richards is busy on the Angostura board... how can you expect her to also be maintaining supply of drugs to ICUs? She's busy making Bitters.
2 Covid cases tried to gain access to our ICU yesterday, pretending they have something else. Nobody wants local public care if they can avoid it.
Would say that we've never seen so many die of being stupid, but on reflection, stupid is probably the leading cause of death and always was.
Antivaxxer quack summit.
Predictable and Karmic.
I don't know if the following site has been linked before:
www.reddit.com
It details the timelines of individual antivaxxers social media posts from their jab refusal up to their covid hospitalization and often, death. This is done by screenshots of their social media. These are often rife with illogical and purposefully triggering memes, selfies in the icu and often end with a go fund me for funeral expenses. Pure schadenfreude. Has been helpful in getting the vaccine hesitant to vaxx. The reddit also gives awards and encouragement to those who overcame their hesitancy to get vaxxed.
Another interesting site along the same lines is sorryantivaxxer.com.
www.sorryantivaxxer.com
reddit r/nursing is also interesting and edifying:
www.reddit.com
There are Covid Rant posts by actual Covid ICU nurses that grisly depict the trauma nurses and nursing assistants are undergoing. From the horses mouth as it were. It is from reading this nursing reddit that I am now leaning towards mandatory vaccination or requiring the unvaccinated to pay for their covid hospital stays. The collateral damage of overextended and shell-shocked health care workers and delays in non covid healthcare resulting in more suffering and death is as ethically meaningful as someone being forced to take a safe vaccine that takes so little time and is free.
Reddit's Qanoncasualties is also interesting in illustrating how truly crazy and brainwashed people can become. Even the more educated. Divorce, children estranged from their parents,etc.
www.reddit.com
It's a pandemic of misinformation uptake.
Reddit - Dive into anything
www.reddit.com
It details the timelines of individual antivaxxers social media posts from their jab refusal up to their covid hospitalization and often, death. This is done by screenshots of their social media. These are often rife with illogical and purposefully triggering memes, selfies in the icu and often end with a go fund me for funeral expenses. Pure schadenfreude. Has been helpful in getting the vaccine hesitant to vaxx. The reddit also gives awards and encouragement to those who overcame their hesitancy to get vaxxed.
Another interesting site along the same lines is sorryantivaxxer.com.
sorryantivaxxer.com | stories of anti-vaxxers who died from COVID.
They thought COVID was a scam, until they lay dying from it. sorryantivaxxer.com tells their story using their own facebook and twitter posts.
www.sorryantivaxxer.com
reddit r/nursing is also interesting and edifying:
Reddit - Dive into anything
www.reddit.com
Reddit's Qanoncasualties is also interesting in illustrating how truly crazy and brainwashed people can become. Even the more educated. Divorce, children estranged from their parents,etc.
Reddit - Dive into anything
www.reddit.com
It's a pandemic of misinformation uptake.
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Just one more. My heart breaks for all this needless death.
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One of the most poignant and reality-inducing posts I've read.
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Too many people are dying because of these idiots (taking up resources) for me to be sympathetic. Just let Darwin work.
Compassion for the conned contempt for the conmen.
Looking back, you were pretty much ahead of time with this threadOn Wednesday, Australia launched the debate on the need for countries to make the future coronavirus vaccine mandatory, as contaminations continue to rise and restrictions increase around the world.
"There are always exemptions to vaccination for medical reasons, but this should be the only one," said the Prime Minister Scott Morrison to radio 3AW Melbourne.
"Getting vaccinated should be mandatory", he said.
For my part, if the vaccine becomes mandatory, before I want certificates that all elites have been vaccinated.
To those who haven't been vaccinated, and have the possibility: What on Earth are you waiting for? Being forced? It's time for a reality check. Yes there might be unknown side effects of the vaccine, but given that Covid-19 is a deadly disease, you have to do a simple risk analysis, and that one says that the vaccine is the least dangerous option. Yes it vanes, so you will have to be vaccinated regularly. That's bad, but that's how it is. That's how reality works.
To those that have been vaccinated: Good for you and everybody else, but even in Denmark where I live, 78% have been vaccinated, and the virus still rages on. That's because everyone tries to "go back to normal". The virus does give a flying duck, about what we "want". We still have to think and act accordingly. Masks, social distancing, washing hands and all that would considerably lower the infections.
The pandemic is going endemic. It's here to stay, and it seems that it will stabilize at a very high level, meaning a lot of dead people, for as long as we don't have miracles. We all need to take care of one another. That includes listening to people being scared of needles, or people valuing their freedom (stupidly) high. It also includes making personal sacrifice for the common good, and facing your fears.
Personally I'm not waiting for anything. Time will tell if force will be applied, but I'm not actively waiting for it (if "actively waiting" is even a thing of course).
I'm not waiting for anything. I'm just not having the vaccine due to my choice, the same as I don't take the flu vaccine either.
No it isn't. I've had covid. I deal with people with covid on a daily basis and have done nearly every single day since this covid lark started. Some I was quite close contact with and didn't know they had covid until they tested positive. I didn't die. I wasn't close to death. I have antibodies.
Do I believe the interviews with doctors and professors in universities explaining the dangers of the vaccine, the reports coming out saying that safety protocols weren't followed and negative effects ignored by the pharma companies during the trials etc etc or do I believe what the politicians and news readers who have consistently lied for the last 2 years tell me?
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