General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

Indeed...

They are running propaganda campaigns suggesting western vaccines are dangerous yet they are the first to put one forward to the WHO. They launch chemical weapons attacks in Europe, invade countries but deny it (can’t be Russians, no flags on the uniforms... yeah lol).

They shoot down airliners and deny it; Just because their own people are gullible doesn’t mean we all are. They are doing a great job of destabilising us but I don’t think any western government is going to use that “vaccine”.
NATO has pushed a thousand miles Eastwards after the Russians were assured it wouldn't move another inch by a variety of Western leaders during German reunification.

 
Indeed...

They are running propaganda campaigns suggesting western vaccines are dangerous yet they are the first to put one forward to the WHO. They launch chemical weapons attacks in Europe, invade countries but deny it (can’t be Russians, no flags on the uniforms... yeah lol).

They shoot down airliners and deny it; Just because their own people are gullible doesn’t mean we all are. They are doing a great job of destabilising us but I don’t think any western government is going to use that “vaccine”.
Here's some general info on the Sputnik V vaccine from Russia.
Without a big human trial, nobody knows if it works, how efficacious it is, and what the safety problems might be.
Wouldn't suggest we use it without the information. And given the hostility to the West, what version of it they send over is going to be another concern. They have a well funded biowarfare unit running for decades, and this vaccine is made of a pair of live genetically modified viruses. It's just asking for trouble. Consider the idea that this is code they're sending. Would anybody here put unvetted Russian "antivirus code" on their hard drive? 😒

In theory, it might be better than a traditional protein coat vaccine. Viral RNA stuck in the host genome will keep generating the corresponding protein from host cells. That could prolong the immune response much better than just a couple injections of the protein antigen. It could also give some autoimmune problems if we can't switch it off. Won't know till they do a trial. Nobody ever made a vaccine like this before.
 
Consider the idea that this is code they're sending. Would anybody here put unvetted Russian "antivirus code" on their hard drive? 😒
I could quarantine it on an unnetworked system or a sandboxed virtual machine, then run it and log the effects and/or have someone decompile it to see what it does. And that's probably the equivalent of what should be done with a potentially promising, but unverified, vaccine--assuming there aren't any effective alternatives that would render the endevour moot or unacceptably risky. Sequence it, rule out glaring concerns, then conduct a trial where all participants are quarantined for the duration and carefully monitored for however long is prudent.
 
Here's some general info on the Sputnik V vaccine from Russia.
Without a big human trial, nobody knows if it works, how efficacious it is, and what the safety problems might be.
Wouldn't suggest we use it without the information. And given the hostility to the West, what version of it they send over is going to be another concern. They have a well funded biowarfare unit running for decades, and this vaccine is made of a pair of live genetically modified viruses. It's just asking for trouble. Consider the idea that this is code they're sending. Would anybody here put unvetted Russian "antivirus code" on their hard drive? 😒

In theory, it might be better than a traditional protein coat vaccine. Viral RNA stuck in the host genome will keep generating the corresponding protein from host cells. That could prolong the immune response much better than just a couple injections of the protein antigen. It could also give some autoimmune problems if we can't switch it off. Won't know till they do a trial. Nobody ever made a vaccine like this before.
'Without a big human trial, nobody knows if it works'... That is the long an the short of it... if nobody gave a crap about safety we would probably all be returning to normal right now. Unless the Russians have a time machine there is no reason they have a vaccine that doesn't turn you into a Chimpanzee (which is the sort of thing they are suggestion to their own people will happen with the Oxford Vaccine).

China is the only Country with a time advantage on this topic
 
'Without a big human trial, nobody knows if it works'... That is the long an the short of it... if nobody gave a crap about safety we would probably all be returning to normal right now. Unless the Russians have a time machine there is no reason they have a vaccine that doesn't turn you into a Chimpanzee (which is the sort of thing they are suggestion to their own people will happen with the Oxford Vaccine).

China is the only Country with a time advantage on this topic
From what I understand: The world standard, needs to meet phase 3 testing; before release to the general public. Phase 3 shows the 'long term' affects of said vaccine and takes a minimum of 1 year, to 3 years plus. I would say that for a country, to get around the time of the phase 3 testing, would be to offer the vaccine, to many (1,000s) of 'voluntary test subjects'. The line being: "We know it works and so if you want it, you have to be a test volunteer."
 
'Without a big human trial, nobody knows if it works'... That is the long an the short of it... if nobody gave a crap about safety we would probably all be returning to normal right now. Unless the Russians have a time machine there is no reason they have a vaccine that doesn't turn you into a Chimpanzee (which is the sort of thing they are suggestion to their own people will happen with the Oxford Vaccine).

China is the only Country with a time advantage on this topic
Back in the 1800s, fearmongers were suggesting the smallpox vaccine would turn people into cows. It's great to see that we have learned so much in 200 years! :rolleyes:
 
I suppose the real question is whether the unknown effects of the, largely untested, vaccine are worse than the known effects of the virus?
 
In all cases, the vaccine must be perfect and without adverse effects.

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Almost all substances, especially medicines, have some adverse effects or at least the potential for some. I take medication that has side effects on a daily basis. I don't like them, but I like the potential they're intended to guard against even less.
 
Almost all substances, especially medicines, have some adverse effects or at least the potential for some. I take medication that has side effects on a daily basis. I don't like them, but I like the potential they're intended to guard against even less.
Yes, but for the majority of drugs the side effects are indicated on the box.

I was talking about unknown side effects.

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Nobody ever made a vaccine like this before.
Nonsense. Recombinant adenovirus vaccines have been a thing for ages. Which is precisely why there are concerns over this one, because we know for a fact from experience that these kinds of vaccine can have problematic consequences when it comes to a virus where a heightened immune response can do more harm than good (like the failed HIV vaccine using this technique which made people MORE susceptible to catching it) What's not happened before is approving them for human rather than veterinary use. And that's likely to continue.
 
Thanks for the correction. Didn't know about animal vaccines.
Yeah, and there have been a bunch of trials of human ones. But there's why everyone's rightly concerned about this one, because we've tested a whole bunch extensively, and that's, as my Neurologist put it not too long ago when learning which drug I was given in an epilepsy trial I participated in a decade ago, "how we found out they don't work".
 
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