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General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?
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...all is good .
COVID-19 vaccine efficacy summary | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation
To project future COVID-19 trends, IHME uses the available data on vaccine efficacy, summarized here.
www.healthdata.org
The following table shows ESTIMATES ( method explained in the article ) :
Virus still replicating globally like crazy . We (globally) still too slow with vaccinating .
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The EU are opening up travel to outsiders with vaccine passports while they try to get their own vaccine passport system up and running.
www.forbes.com
EU Wants To Open Up Travel For Vaccinated Tourists
The bloc’s proposal calls on member states to allow non-essential travel for fully vaccinated visitors from countries with low infection rates.
www.forbes.com
The U.K. Health Minister is talking about using daily flow tests, to avoid quarantine, for those who have been in contact, with others known to be carrying the virus. The individual, must do a flow test every morning and if negative, they can go to work, as normal.
That is going to work. I mean. If you have to a daily test and the results, dictate weather you earn, or you don't. What are people going to do?
Once again. The economy, comes before public safety.
That is going to work. I mean. If you have to a daily test and the results, dictate weather you earn, or you don't. What are people going to do?
Once again. The economy, comes before public safety.
I do them twice a week currently, don't feel tempted to fib. Worst case scenario some time off and statutory sick pay, and not for the first time.
Similar to vaccination, masks and social distancing I suppose, people either get it and the importance of it and go along with it or they don't.
I had some idiot brush up against my shopping earlier and had to ditch half the contents of my basket she actually had the gall to look offended when I told my other half why we had to ditch the potentially contaminated stuff.
The reaction is worse if you've had the virus recently. An aching arm and a mild fever for a day is normal, it's also your immune system working so you can view it as a positive.
If you've ever had a hep-b jab it feels similar.
Far better than getting covid-19.
Having a national health service is great.
The vaccination is the safest course of action by far.
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No vaccine is 100% safe, there's no such thing as a risk free medicine. However the chances of a bad vaccination reaction are miniscule, the chances of a bad reaction to covid much much higher with all the potential problems of long covid even if you don't react badly to the virus itself as we are now finding out.Thanks.
But ,I saw that in Denmark they banned this vaccine and now also Janssen because there are problems, not many but a few.
Anyway, I have no choice, I must to take this vaccine sooner or later.
Just find the courage.
The vaccination is the safest course of action by far.
I've had both shots (and the virus) and was fine, everyone I work with is vaccinated and the only bad reaction was a guy who fainted (and got teased about it). Also the number of people getting sick has plummeted, the area I live in has gone from a severe outbreak (traceable to one pub that had a rule breaking party) to almost no serious cases at. All thanks to the vaccine, I've been watching it work.
Don't wait too long, there's a theory that the blood clots associated with the vaccine are caused by people having been infected pre vaccination.
Yeah. We got this .The EU are opening up travel to outsiders with vaccine passports while they try to get their own vaccine passport system up and running.
EU Wants To Open Up Travel For Vaccinated Tourists
The bloc’s proposal calls on member states to allow non-essential travel for fully vaccinated visitors from countries with low infection rates.
Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible
Even with vaccination efforts in full force, the theoretical threshold for vanquishing COVID-19 looks to be out of reach.
www.nature.com
The first priority is to protect yourself .Vaccines offer an excellent solution for this .
Those uncertainties also are true for natural infection .
There is indication ABs persist for longer when vaccinated as opposed to natural infection, esp. when one has had asymptomatic or mild infection . Then on the other hand, there is indication people who have cleared the infection won't necessarily need 2nd dose ( in case of dual dose vaccine ) .
The risks with AZ are markedly specific to certain population groups . Age and gender are important factors .Thanks.
But ,I saw that in Denmark they banned this vaccine and now also Janssen because there are problems, not many but a few.
Anyway, I have no choice, I must to take this vaccine sooner or later.
Just find the courage.
Awesome. Watch it .
Edit: not sure why the Forums aren't showing previews anymore . It is a Vid by Vox explaining vaccine efficacy, and why you can not really judge or compare vaccines by this value .
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A
Edit: not sure why the Forums aren't showing previews anymore . It is a Vid by Vox explaining vaccine efficacy, and why you can not really judge or compare vaccines by this value .
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Shhh. Just let Darwin work.Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible
Even with vaccination efforts in full force, the theoretical threshold for vanquishing COVID-19 looks to be out of reach.
One of my MMR cases was asked to wait before getting OAZ vaccine.
The protocol being followed is a 3 month space. This should give a much stronger immune response to OAZ, theoretically, so I can't complain.
Just mentioning it so any interested cmdrs are informed of possible interactions. If you have any choice, by all means choose the vaccine designed for the job. It's always better to hammer with a hammer instead of a pipe wrench.
This isn't specific to MMR, it is any vaccine whatsoever. MMR is expected to do much better than 26% but even that is pretty good. A prospective trial is underway.
If you are living in a place without vaccine access for the next 3 months, I suggest MMR is an option to talk over with your doctor, and would probably offer it -barring contraindications- to any patient more than 5 years out from their last dose.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. We are not interested specifically in just vaccinating with coronavirus vaccines, we want immunity in 80-90% of people. There are other tools in the box, and an MMR dose could also theoretically work as a booster for regular vaccination too.
Remember, getting good 8 hours sleep, light exercise and healthy food can double your immune response to your shot. On paper, we could get 52% efficacy using any old vaccine, in a cohort that was properly prepared for their shot, which would actually pass the minimum standard of 50% efficacy for a WHO vaccine.
The protocol being followed is a 3 month space. This should give a much stronger immune response to OAZ, theoretically, so I can't complain.
Just mentioning it so any interested cmdrs are informed of possible interactions. If you have any choice, by all means choose the vaccine designed for the job. It's always better to hammer with a hammer instead of a pipe wrench.
-March 2021 piece
This isn't specific to MMR, it is any vaccine whatsoever. MMR is expected to do much better than 26% but even that is pretty good. A prospective trial is underway.
If you are living in a place without vaccine access for the next 3 months, I suggest MMR is an option to talk over with your doctor, and would probably offer it -barring contraindications- to any patient more than 5 years out from their last dose.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. We are not interested specifically in just vaccinating with coronavirus vaccines, we want immunity in 80-90% of people. There are other tools in the box, and an MMR dose could also theoretically work as a booster for regular vaccination too.
Remember, getting good 8 hours sleep, light exercise and healthy food can double your immune response to your shot. On paper, we could get 52% efficacy using any old vaccine, in a cohort that was properly prepared for their shot, which would actually pass the minimum standard of 50% efficacy for a WHO vaccine.
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Since a few have shared their experience with AZ, just thought i'd share mine. I'm just about to enter my 6th day after.
Arm was a bit sore for first two days and tender at injection site but has eased away.
Second day i felt a bit run down, head felt heavy, wasn't really focused and hard to concentrate. mild shivering and felt cold inside, tiredness and a few random aches and dull pains which didn't persist.
Third and fourth were similar but to a much lesser degree.
By the 5th, only my head felt a bit weird and that has gone today so all in all, it's been very mild so far..
I should add i'm on medication for something that has all those symptoms except the weird feeling in my head.
Thought the vaccine and my meds might have been having some handbags or it may play with my thyroid a bit but can't be sure.
Seems i've been lucky or just used to it so it wasn't so jarring for me.
I haven't had covoid afaik.
Hope that helps.
Arm was a bit sore for first two days and tender at injection site but has eased away.
Second day i felt a bit run down, head felt heavy, wasn't really focused and hard to concentrate. mild shivering and felt cold inside, tiredness and a few random aches and dull pains which didn't persist.
Third and fourth were similar but to a much lesser degree.
By the 5th, only my head felt a bit weird and that has gone today so all in all, it's been very mild so far..
I should add i'm on medication for something that has all those symptoms except the weird feeling in my head.
Thought the vaccine and my meds might have been having some handbags or it may play with my thyroid a bit but can't be sure.
Seems i've been lucky or just used to it so it wasn't so jarring for me.
I haven't had covoid afaik.
Hope that helps.
"Individuals cannot rely on COVID-19 herd immunity: Durable immunity to viral disease is limited to virusses with obligate viremic spread ."
"COVID 19, as terrible as it has been, should be a wake-up call: Far more dangerous viruses lurk in nature."
"COVID 19, as terrible as it has been, should be a wake-up call: Far more dangerous viruses lurk in nature."
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Neighbours around our house got vaccinated today. Things are going well, except at the home of Bill and Melinda Gates (but they do not live nearby!) now undergoing divorce proceedings.
The Gates Foundation is helping fund this:
clinicaltrials.gov
This is being coordinated by Washington Medical School in St. Louis, same place that identified the secondary wave of deaths, and stomping grounds of cmdr Ralph Vargr. It's a big multicentre trial across several countries, assessing MMR, looking at 30,000 people to see if it really works.
Results expected by September this year. Too late for India, unfortunately. But just 4 months away.
Hard to predict how the Foundation will be affected going forward. It has been an important humanitarian resource.
The Gates Foundation is helping fund this:
ClinicalTrials.gov
clinicaltrials.gov
Results expected by September this year. Too late for India, unfortunately. But just 4 months away.
Hard to predict how the Foundation will be affected going forward. It has been an important humanitarian resource.
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