He could've fallen silent because someone is close.
The Formidine Rift - Part 2
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Has anyone tried bringing a SAP 8 Core Container to the Bovomit systems? They are off limits and marked as "Required". Maybe the SAP 8s are what is required? Certainly someone has already tried this, right?
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Drew is likely silent right now because of work. He just got his next book back from the editor so he's got lots of red ink to play with.
He also indicated that further clues would be in Galnet ... not in this thread. Drew did apparently make a visit to Frontier's headquarters less than two weeks ago. Hopefully discussing how the unraveling of this mystery will proceed: https://twitter.com/drewwagar/status/718325791587700740
And a very good post it is, you see it's this bit "to arrive at Rho Cassiopeiae. The class F hypergiant star is notable for being visible to the naked eye from Earth and being positioned in a particularly difficult to reach area of what explorers refer to as the "Formidine Rift.""
you see if this was wrong or a contradiction to what FD have in plan it would not have made it onto the Galnet, going by what MB said about submissions to Galnet.
I began my exploration trek to the Rift yesterday, but my god that's a lot of ground to cover to search for ET, the area of the Formidine Rift that is.
This thread has a lot of ground to cover as well so this has probably already been said, but does anyone know what type of star we're supposed to be locating and is it a single or multiple system(s)?
Have there been any clues thrown up about the system(s) we're trying to find? Anything at all in Elite Lore?
All I've found out is that the Thargoid homeworld is a cold ammonia planet.
Cold ammonia planets in my travels seem on average to orbit F and K type stars.
This thread has a lot of ground to cover as well so this has probably already been said, but does anyone know what type of star we're supposed to be locating and is it a single or multiple system(s)?
Have there been any clues thrown up about the system(s) we're trying to find? Anything at all in Elite Lore?
All I've found out is that the Thargoid homeworld is a cold ammonia planet.
Cold ammonia planets in my travels seem on average to orbit F and K type stars.
Careful you don't fall into an erroneous assumption. The text of the GalNet article does not necessarily confirm that the Formidine Rift is where we think it is. It only confirms that we (explorers) call the area around Rho Cassiopeiae the Formidine Rift. It could actually be on the other side of the galaxy and the article still wouldn't be false.
I think it has never been precisely stated where the Rift ends and the Cygnus Arm starts. At the end of the passage, however, one can again use normal long-distance plotting to proceed. The passage is really only across terrain where the star density is so low that course plotting is unreliable.
Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626
100% agreed. It would also potentially attribute more credit to the depth with which player submitted Galnet articles are reviewed than is probably warranted. For those of us investigating the Rift it's kind of all encompassing and the biggest game in town. For the rest of the player base and therefore at some level FDEV it's barely a foot note. It's not a big stretch that the editor looks at the submissions for syntactic and general level of prose and clicks a button. Pouring over every implication, including something as subtle as "aha this proves X" is probably asking a bit much.
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Does anyone know if Rho Cass is the only "real" star in that region? Or maybe the only named one?
There might be others, maybe someone else is aware of them, i've not seen any others named that far out.
There has been some speculation that we are looking for a "named" system, perhaps one that is never indexed by the search tool, so you will never find it unless you actually look at the right sector close up and can spot it in the middle of all the other systems around. It may be FD have pulled a bit of a fast one, and it will only appear on the map if you are within a certain distance of it.
However, i'm not convinced this is the case, and the system will be a generically named one that FD chose after the galaxy was generated that fit with the lore and in the right location.
Legacy_LuckyLuke
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There is also PZ Cassiopeia which is only findable by it's HIP reference, so I'm not sure if that counts. (HIP 117078)
Well, that region should also contain the Cas - A remnant/progenitor core, but I could not find it**.
I scanned the neutron stars in the region where it should be but nothing special there. Or I missed it.
It fitted the clues rather nicely, in particular to the "most enlightening / Cambridge visit / Core of the problem / 7 veils*" clues(?)
And contrary to the Tycho remnant, there should be some neutron star left (as it has been observed IRL).
I have yet to find a better fit for the clues.
*as Cas - A was discovered by radio-astronomy by a Cambridge group in 1947, Cas - A being the brightest
radio source out of the the solar system.
**Finding neutron stars in such sparse and large area is really tricky, and it is quite possible that I missed it
even with a triple survey of the area.
I scanned the neutron stars in the region where it should be but nothing special there. Or I missed it.
It fitted the clues rather nicely, in particular to the "most enlightening / Cambridge visit / Core of the problem / 7 veils*" clues(?)
And contrary to the Tycho remnant, there should be some neutron star left (as it has been observed IRL).
I have yet to find a better fit for the clues.
*as Cas - A was discovered by radio-astronomy by a Cambridge group in 1947, Cas - A being the brightest
radio source out of the the solar system.
**Finding neutron stars in such sparse and large area is really tricky, and it is quite possible that I missed it
even with a triple survey of the area.
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Interesting!
Although there wouldn't be much chance for life.
taken from Wikipedia on Cas A
The expansion shell has a temperature of around 50 million degrees Fahrenheit (30 megakelvins), and is expanding at 4000−6000 km/s
Yeah, but since whatever is out there might have ships & shields & such,
I don't think that temperature / radiation is a big issue here.
For the moment I'm wandering along the rift border, but I might
go back to the Cas - A region if I do not find any other good fit for the
clues before returning to the bubble.
Also, there is not a lot of other SN remants in the region that would fall
in the rift. There is Tycho, but it left no stellar core/BH, so you don't really know what to look for.
There is also SN1118 (but 2kpc is no far enough),
and last is G160.9+2.6, but its really far away from the RR line.
I don't think that temperature / radiation is a big issue here.
For the moment I'm wandering along the rift border, but I might
go back to the Cas - A region if I do not find any other good fit for the
clues before returning to the bubble.
Also, there is not a lot of other SN remants in the region that would fall
in the rift. There is Tycho, but it left no stellar core/BH, so you don't really know what to look for.
There is also SN1118 (but 2kpc is no far enough),
and last is G160.9+2.6, but its really far away from the RR line.
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Legacy_LuckyLuke
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Yeah I'm still pretty keen on the Cas A link. Certainly can't be ruled out until we find it (or something else instead)
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Whoever said what we're looking for is alive. Well, not in the normal sense anyway
@ LuckyLuke : Do you plan to do a Survey over there ?
It would be good to have an other pair of eyeballs to investigate this on-site.
It would be good to have an other pair of eyeballs to investigate this on-site.
Legacy_LuckyLuke
Banned
On my way back to civilisation atm. I was making my way through EAFOTS / MYOIDEE sectors when I got a sudden urge to be back in the bubble.
I'll be back out in a week or so...
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As Dave Bowman said way back in 2010: "Something wonderful is about to happen."
Probably a bad theory but I want to share it with you, fellow rifters.
What if the system we are looking for isn't neither on the maps nor the navigation panel as the old lady said (the dark systems haven't been mapped)? Somebody tried to jump to a system A to system B with a system C in the perfect middle? It would perform a misjump?
If someone is in the bubble and wants to try if misjumps are possible I know a good place to try it: Orrere, Uszaa and Riedquat make a perfect line:
Riedquat 68.84375 / 48.75 / 69.75
Uszaa 68.84375 / 48.75 / 74.75
Orrere 68.84375 / 48.75 / 76.75
(data from EDSM.net)
As you can see the X-coord and Y-coord are exactly the same so they are perfectly aligned along Z axis. With that I want to know if misjumps are currently implemented on the game, and if so, it could be a new criteria for our search (find two stars perfectly aligned on the RR line, for example)
I'd try it if I could (jump from Riedquat to Orrere "through" Uszaa) but I'm in the New outer arm traveling on the RR-Line towards the Core. Can someone try it? Thank you very much!
Aaand following the seven-thing: There are seven neutron stars called "The magnificent seven", but I didn't have time to check if they are on Elite.
PS: Anyone have noticed there are stars absurdly outside the galaxy? for example: CSI+40-16027 (lots of KLy over the plane)
What if the system we are looking for isn't neither on the maps nor the navigation panel as the old lady said (the dark systems haven't been mapped)? Somebody tried to jump to a system A to system B with a system C in the perfect middle? It would perform a misjump?
If someone is in the bubble and wants to try if misjumps are possible I know a good place to try it: Orrere, Uszaa and Riedquat make a perfect line:
Riedquat 68.84375 / 48.75 / 69.75
Uszaa 68.84375 / 48.75 / 74.75
Orrere 68.84375 / 48.75 / 76.75
(data from EDSM.net)
As you can see the X-coord and Y-coord are exactly the same so they are perfectly aligned along Z axis. With that I want to know if misjumps are currently implemented on the game, and if so, it could be a new criteria for our search (find two stars perfectly aligned on the RR line, for example)
I'd try it if I could (jump from Riedquat to Orrere "through" Uszaa) but I'm in the New outer arm traveling on the RR-Line towards the Core. Can someone try it? Thank you very much!
Aaand following the seven-thing: There are seven neutron stars called "The magnificent seven", but I didn't have time to check if they are on Elite.
PS: Anyone have noticed there are stars absurdly outside the galaxy? for example: CSI+40-16027 (lots of KLy over the plane)
Have added the route 32.6ly route through the hard bit of the Rift to the Rifters Sheet. Named the "Heisenberg Crossing" after the publisher of the information. (PDF format)
It does not come out particularly close to the RR Line, but it is a lot quicker than using the Formidine Bridge.
It does not come out particularly close to the RR Line, but it is a lot quicker than using the Formidine Bridge.
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Also what's up with Cygni X-3 ?
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