The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[Jaiotu]

Salomé can't be trusted? hmmm didn't see it like that before.
It does make sense though

That's really just a bit of role play on my part ... but I do believe she has her own agenda.

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

After she's made herself Queen of Heaven with alien tech and her band of loyal stooges all she needs is immortality to make her peace permanent.

Can't trust any of the factions, none of the powers that's for sure, and minor factions meh. There's only one safe happy place, thats' good for me and you, j.a.q., u.e.s., Jaques Station. Jaques Station, Jaqques Station, forever we can party fine. When everything goes t**s up, we'll take off through the skies, j.a.q, u.e.s, Jaques Station the only place to be.

I'll be glad to meet you at Jaques... but I think my favorite cyborg bar tender needs to cut you off friend

 

[CMDR DancingLemur]

One possible clue that hasn't been run down is Salome saying she first found Raxxla mentioned in 2814, from her message to C.o.R.
That has to be from either old lore or the old games right? It's been speculated about but not found.

Raxxla, Dark Wheel, may be the driver of all this but it can't be Raxxla, as Brooks has said no hint about it ever.
So this is more like Copernicus stumbling upon heliocentrism in his religious search to prove the harmony of God's celestial spheres.
Be careful what you wish for sort of thing.

Still the 2814 reference has not yet been found.

Did some search on 2814. This popped up:

Minuscule 2814:

Citing wiki:"The codex contains the Book of Revelation with a commentary of Andreas from Caesarea. Last six verses were lost (22:16-21). The text is written on a parchment in minuscule, in 1 column per page, 20 lines per page.

Book of Revelation:

Citing wiki:"The Book of Revelation, often known simply as Revelation or The Apocalypse of John, is a book of the New Testament that occupies a central place in Christian eschatology. Its title is derived from the first word of the text, written in Koine Greek: apokalypsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation". ....further in the text...

The author names himself in the text as "John", but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second century Christian writers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito the bishop of Sardis, and Clement of Alexandria and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation. Modern scholarship generally takes a different view and many consider that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet. Some modern scholars characterize Revelation's author as a putative figure whom they call "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), and the evidence tends to confirm this.

John the Apostle:

Citing the wiki:"John the Apostlewas one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus according to the New Testament. He was the son of Zebedee and Salome!!!


So do we have to study the Holy Bible for clues?? Hiding clues into numbers of verses and lines in the Holy Bible is quite popular, for example: Genesis 28:14 - Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Or maybe another dead end.

 

[clavain]

This might be a bit tin-foily, but has anyone managed to get a good look at the either of the Voyager spacecraft or Pioneer 10 to see the illustrations on them? I'd like to find one of the spacecraft and explore as many of the 14 pulsars as possible to see if there is anything interesting waiting there. I'm looking for more information on the 14 illustrated pulsars to see if I can locate them. I've been to PSR J0030+0451 ~900Ly under Sol, but I don't know if it is relevant. One of the pulsars looks to be in the general direction of the RR line.

I had a list of them which was posted on the first UA threadnought at some point. I'll see if I can find it this evening and repost it here. As I recall only a few of them were in-game I believe, and they were visited at the time of the EB, P madness (related to the cipher madness mentioned earlier).

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

Here you go, enjoy!

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/pulsarmap.html

Don't forget you can use Simbad for finding multiple star catalog identifiers as well, to aid with finding them on the galaxy map: http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/

 

[Kleitias]

Agreed! we need to get this forum back on track a bit, back to the facts at hand..

While I agree, and while I do not think that your remark was aimed at the present 'Formidine/ablative case' discussion, I would like to stress at this point that thinking about the question, brought to our attention (again?) by Han_Zen, why 'Formidine' is in the ablative case, is probably very important. To put it slightly differently: there is very probably a reason why it is not simply called the 'Formido Rift' ('Formido' being the nominative, and thus 'default' case when coining such two-word names). Above all, Drew himself (or so I have read) stated that 'Formidine' is a clue in itself.

Personally, as you can guess from my posts above, I think that the most likely explanation for the ablative case is that 'Formidine' is a (one-word) quotation from a Latin text.
Given Drew's apparent preference for ancient mythology, I looked at one of the most popular Roman mythological works, Ovid's Metamorphoses. Above, I only cited text passages where the word 'Formidine' is actually used, and I would like to suggest that we do not stray too far away from those passages because, as was pointed out pages ago in this thread, in Greek & Roman mythology, everyone is related to each other, which means that connections can quickly become too far-fetched to be useful.

(I have looked at other Latin mythological texts where the word "Formidine" is found but these did not seem to me particularly significant or relevant for us. But please have a look yourself; it is easily possible that I have overlooked something.)

Since I have not read all pages of this thread or its predecessor, I cannot exclude the possibility that the ablative case has already been explained (maybe even by Drew himself). It would be embarassing to read that the explanation is much simpler [noob]

 

[lorrad]

Did some search on 2814. This popped up:

Minuscule 2814:

Citing wiki:"The codex contains the Book of Revelation with a commentary of Andreas from Caesarea. Last six verses were lost (22:16-21). The text is written on a parchment in minuscule, in 1 column per page, 20 lines per page.

Book of Revelation:

Citing wiki:"The Book of Revelation, often known simply as Revelation or The Apocalypse of John, is a book of the New Testament that occupies a central place in Christian eschatology. Its title is derived from the first word of the text, written in Koine Greek: apokalypsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation". ....further in the text...

The author names himself in the text as "John", but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second century Christian writers such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito the bishop of Sardis, and Clement of Alexandria and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation. Modern scholarship generally takes a different view and many consider that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet. Some modern scholars characterize Revelation's author as a putative figure whom they call "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), and the evidence tends to confirm this.

John the Apostle:

Citing the wiki:"John the Apostlewas one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus according to the New Testament. He was the son of Zebedee and Salome!!!


So do we have to study the Holy Bible for clues?? Hiding clues into numbers of verses and lines in the Holy Bible is quite popular, for example: Genesis 28:14 - Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south, and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Or maybe another dead end.

As Salome was mentioned it's enough to crowbar it in.

Sorry, should have posted the line in question.

"Raxxla itself has eluded everyone for nearly five hundred years.
I have found that it was first mentioned in the year 2814."

Another aside if Kahina did get the coordinates at the end of reclaimation then she didn't go to earth to look for them but to confirm.
A shift in perspective of what she was doing there, glancing up from her martini to the heavens "Look Hassan, you can see it from here just hanging in plain sight", as they exchanged more knowing wry grins, nods, winks and secret happy dances.

So its read everything and play the old games until I can find 2814, great.

 

[Gypsy12]

@Drew.

This is getting stupid. Guidance please. Enough jibberjabbery. State you facts concisely please. You don't need to give us clues, but its about time you gave us a framework...that we can actually work with.
It is utterly useless getting us to look into the meaning behind the name of Kahina, or Salome. Each legend is so expansive, and cloudy that we cant make head nor tail of it. Legends lead into legends of European and Asian decent. Of Greek mythology and Muslim "History"...It makes no sense whatsoever. No singular thing can be correct because all can be correct. It is where we came from. Nothing can make sense in that regard because the end product is us.

So, in order to get rid of the impression that you are just stalling in order for FD to do their jobs, can you actually, and finally give us a statement that will make sense?

 

[frostypaw]

There's a good framework listed already - this has all gotten a bit wound up of late. if you go back and check there's a solid set of evidence, just gotta work with that and not get too twisted. make a theory, test it. repeat.

 

[Bieltan]

...has anyone figured out where the dead centre of the area deemed to be the Formidine Rift is?

 

[Arjin]

While I agree, and while I do not think that your remark was aimed at the present 'Formidine/ablative case' discussion, I would like to stress at this point that thinking about the question, brought to our attention (again?) by Han_Zen, why 'Formidine' is in the ablative case, is probably very important. To put it slightly differently: there is very probably a reason why it is not simply called the 'Formido Rift' ('Formido' being the nominative, and thus 'default' case when coining such two-word names). Above all, Drew himself (or so I have read) stated that 'Formidine' is a clue in itself.

Personally, as you can guess from my posts above, I think that the most likely explanation for the ablative case is that 'Formidine' is a (one-word) quotation from a Latin text.
Given Drew's apparent preference for ancient mythology, I looked at one of the most popular Roman mythological works, Ovid's Metamorphoses. Above, I only cited text passages where the word 'Formidine' is actually used, and I would like to suggest that we do not stray too far away from those passages because, as was pointed out pages ago in this thread, in Greek & Roman mythology, everyone is related to each other, which means that connections can quickly become too far-fetched to be useful.

(I have looked at other Latin mythological texts where the word "Formidine" is found but these did not seem to me particularly significant or relevant for us. But please have a look yourself; it is easily possible that I have overlooked something.)

Since I have not read all pages of this thread or its predecessor, I cannot exclude the possibility that the ablative case has already been explained (maybe even by Drew himself). It would be embarassing to read that the explanation is much simpler [noob]

Yea not aimed at your discussion, Formidine is a clue, solid fact.. and maybe Formidine sounds better than Formido when writing a book? lol Problem with the clue is it really relates to nothing at this point, Dread Rift/Fear Rift. do we dread/fear it because of it's vastness? or what lies inside? or is there a missing translation of dread/fear into a system sector name? What is to be feared in the Rift? so far... nothing...

EDIT: Why was it named that? in lore we have nothing to go off of in terms of why it was named that...yet...

 

[Jaiotu]

...has anyone figured out where the dead centre of the area deemed to be the Formidine Rift is?

No. We have to figure out where the Rift is before we can find the center.

 

[Arjin]

Just an FYI for any who may have missed it, there should be some relevant news on Galnet this coming Saturday.. *eyespeeled*

 

[Kleitias]

[...] maybe Formidine sounds better than Formido when writing a book? lol [...]

Hehe, I thought of that myself, but if you think it through, it is very improbable because that would be very random - declining a noun if you think its (default) nominative does not sound nice is not the first thing you would do, right (at least if you are not a native speaker - and in case of Latin, we can exclude that [big grin] )?

[...]Problem with the clue is it really relates to nothing at this point, Dread Rift/Fear Rift. [...]

That's my point - I believe that the reason behind the (probably significant because non-standard) ablative case of the word is at least as important as its meaning. So while the meaning 'Dread Rift/Fear Rift' is not particularly enlightening, the clue behind the reason for the ablative case might be more specific.

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

Just an FYI for any who may have missed it, there should be some relevant news on Galnet this coming Saturday.. *eyespeeled*

Ah, I had forgotten about that. Can't wait!

 

[CMDR DancingLemur]

Maybe it's simply to mark an area..for-mid-in-e...in the middle of something.

 

[Blind Pew]

Hi. I've been re reading certain key sections of Elite Reclamation again looking for any missed clues. Or, rather I should say, re listening to the exellent audio version.

In the scene immediately before Salome meets the old pilot for the first time she meets a doctor and there are some odd things said about him.

'There was something slightly unusual about the man but she couldn't quite identify what it was'

'there was a subtle but distinctly odd pause each time he began speaking, almost as if ...'

'But she couldnt shake off the odd sense that she'd seen him somewhere before.'

These are never explained. It seems odd that there are so many questions about this man brought in by Drew. Does it mean anything?

 

[Arjin]

Hi. I've been re reading certain key sections of Elite Reclamation again looking for any missed clues. Or, rather I should say, re listening to the exellent audio version.

In the scene immediately before Salome meets the old pilot for the first time she meets a doctor and there are some odd things said about him.

'There was something slightly unusual about the man but she couldn't quite identify what it was'

'there was a subtle but distinctly odd pause each time he began speaking, almost as if ...'

'But she couldnt shake off the odd sense that she'd seen him somewhere before.'

These are never explained. It seems odd that there are so many questions about this man brought in by Drew. Does it mean anything?

Hey Pew,

Maybe he is the Doctor that wiped her memory??

EDIT: Nevermind,

 

[clavain]

EDIT: Why was it named that? in lore we have nothing to go off of in terms of why it was named that...yet...

Because what can be found out there is "worse than the Thargoids".

 

[Belthize]

Because what can be found out there is "worse than the Thargoids".

Everybody will be jumping out of their seats when the Hemmorrh show up.
[h=3][/h]

 

[CHOPP3R]

2814..

Genesis 28:14 ?

King James Bible
And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

In context:

Jacob's Ladder
Genesis 28:

10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.
16 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.
17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.
18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it.
19 And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first.
20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

 

[clavain]

So that brought me back to the cannibals: this planet is actually mentioned explicitly in the book, and it is ingame. It's LTT 8740. Why not have a look ingame and see what amazing things this permit-locked approach-with-caution system might have in store for me?! Nothing too much turns out:

Spoiler

https://i.imgsafe.org/0fcb4b7.jpg

The system is there, including -I'm assuming- Drew's description on the galaxy map. It's not permit locked though (unless I somehow got a permit already? :-S).

Spoiler

https://i.imgsafe.org/5116ea1.jpg

Well now this is interesting - on my Galaxy Map LTT 8740 has "No system description is available". I have not been there so do not have the detailed system info or map. I am running the latest patch of Horizons 64-bit PC, what are you running?

Do system descriptions change from prior to entering a system to after entering it? I have never noticed that before if they do. I am wondering if the galaxies are out of synch (esp. if you are playing on a different platform, or the 32-bit version, or something?). If so that might be a very very very big bug.

Can a few others check this on their galaxy maps and let us know what they see?

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Drew gave rep to Luckyluke for looking into the prism system naming. Part of what Luckyluke talked about was Autolycus, the "Wolf itself/Lone wolf"
Then Drew put a comment about 'lone wolf' CMDRs in like page 100 or so of this tread, with 'lone wolf' in quotes.

Oh, have I got the image for you whilst on my way to H&S I couldn't help but notice a certain star formation happened to look like the outline of a wolf. That had me chasing a 1,500ly detour to scan the systems there. Admittedly I did around 10 of them then became bored and continued on to H&S. (All systems had been scanned already, some by the one and only lone wolf, Obsidian Ant ) I'll fish out the pic when I can later. It's quite striking!