The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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Have the possible Alice in Wonderland references been mentioned before? Kahina has said she doesn't like being late and there's a few references to making a fuss. In Alice in Wonderland there's the song I'm Late, sung by the White Rabbit and also Painting the Roses Red which is sung by the Queen's minions (the Ace, 2 and 3 of clubs) which has the verse:
Cards: The Queen she likes 'em red
If she saw white instead,
Two: She'd raise a fuss
Ace: And each of us
Cards: Would quickly lose his head

Can anyone put two and two together on this and come up with a system or an area in the galaxy or am I just clutching at straws here?

That's a rather good observation. Salome hating being late was rather specific. So its either something with time or cards?
 
we are searching for a alien race that is worser then the Thargoids but I think we are wrong her mind was altered so it must be a sort of secret joint venture of the Empire & Federation that they have set up far away of the bubble a sort of area 51 were they experiment,
and that she means the human race is more trouble then the Thargoids

"Let's just say there was some serious sh** out there, stuff you wouldn't believe. No really - no one believed me, said it was all a fabrication. I had no proof you see and they edited my memory afterwards. Ah, it'll all come back to bite them one day, it's all there in the imperial databanks somewhere - and they thought the Thargoids were trouble ..."

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And the name of the Imp/Fed cooperative? From Elite Wiki: "The Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm was a Federation and Empire cooperative. It's primary purpose was to develop technologies to defeat the Tahrgoids" . So maybe the Rift mystery is the secret INRA research base, with captured thargoid ships, and containers of mycoid virus??
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Have the possible Alice in Wonderland references been mentioned before? Kahina has said she doesn't like being late and there's a few references to making a fuss. In Alice in Wonderland there's the song I'm Late, sung by the White Rabbit and also Painting the Roses Red which is sung by the Queen's minions (the Ace, 2 and 3 of clubs) which has the verse:
Cards: The Queen she likes 'em red
If she saw white instead,
Two: She'd raise a fuss
Ace: And each of us
Cards: Would quickly lose his head

Can anyone put two and two together on this and come up with a system or an area in the galaxy or am I just clutching at straws here?


Heart Nebula???
 
Didn't the white rabbit also say "" Although I went deeper into the rabbit-hole than I intended, I brushed the dirt from my fluffy white tail and emerged enlightened"

Kahina said she left Sol feeling enlightened didn't she, or something to that effect?
 
[h=3]Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
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[/h]Alice first meets three cards (the 2, 5 and 7 of Spades) in the Queen's garden painting white roses red. One of them explains that they accidentally planted white roses, and because the queen hates white roses they have to paint them red or the Queen will behead them. After the Queen arrives, she finds white roses and orders the execution of all three of them. Alice hides these 3 in a flowerpot, after this their fate is unknown. When Alice joins a game of croquet with the Queen and the other playing cards, the card soldiers act as arches. They have to leave being arches every time the Queen has an executioner drag the victim away. They also appear in the trial where the Knave of Hearts is accused of stealing the Queen's tarts. In the book, the clubs are soldiers, the diamonds are courtiers, the spades are gardners, and the hearts are children.
 
Whilst touring Prism, Sol, Avalon & Achenar, I happened to notice that they line up pretty well on the galaxy map. I threw their co-ordinates into the spreadsheet linked above and was amazed to see they are fairly close to the RR line in the opposite direction. (Approx 15-40ly deviation, Avalon being the closest.)

Wowsers... I got a rep from Drew for my post yesterday: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239212&p=3717426&viewfull=1#post3717426

If only I knew which bit he was repping for :S

Hmm.... "watch your six"
 
The Core of the problem.

Here are a few more loose ends of mythology.

- Persephone, the station with Avalon ship yards. Persephone is also called Kore or Cora. She is the queen of the Greek underworld. She is also associated with spring as well as the fertility of vegetation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone

- Alvalon (from the Arthur myth) is linked to the “The Fortunate Isle”. The Fortunate Isle is also known as Elysium (or the Elysian Fields) in the Greek underworld.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium

- The Elysian Fields inevitably leads to Elyssia Fields, the copilot of Alex Ryder in 'The Dark Wheel'. She would of course be a very old woman by now. She has/had deep interest in Greek mythology and knowledge of the Dark Wheel.
http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/elite/books/the-dark-wheel/


I found this description of Elysium rather fascinating as it describes the deletion of memory upon departure:
"Some say that the soul receives judgement in the meadow (the Plain of Judgement) at the dividing of the road, whence are the two ways leading, one to the Isles of the Blest (or Elysium), and the other to Tartarus...

Elysium is a happy place which has a sun and stars of its own. The souls in Elysium cannot be grasped and are like phantoms . Those who dwell in Elysium exercise upon grassy playing-fields or wrestle friendly on yellow sands; some dance and others sing or chant poems. According to some in Elysium, which is considered to be ruled by Cronos, live also those who are not yet born. These souls swarm along the banks of the river Lethe (Oblivion)...

The souls who are destined for reincarnation drink from Lethe's stream and quench their troubles in forgetfulness so that they may return to corporeal existence on earth. This strange desire (some say perverse) for earthly existence appears to be a part of the laws governing the universe. Some of them, however, stay in Elysium, not needing to reincarnate in order to regain original purity, but the majority return to earth with their memories deleted after having drunk from the waters of Lethe. "


That's enough tinfoil for one day. Don't take the road to Tartarus.:cool:
 
If we supposed to take the RR line the other way, then you won't have to travel very far at all to get to the edge of the arm. You will cross a much more populated void and hit the Sagittarius arm a little coreward of Eta Carinae.

Unless the Orion Spur does not count and we are to follow the Perseus Arm till we hit the far side and come out around the LOIJEAE sector, or if the rift is between the Sagittarius Arm and the Perseus Arm then somewhere around the PRIE AOD sector.

Frankly I will be surprised if either of these are the case. I think we have correctly identified the rift. Now it is a case of scouring the far side.
 
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To be fair, her memory had been tampered with. She could have been telling the truth as she knew it.

The talk about the "galaxy hanging there" suggests it's still near the edge of the galaxy though. That's a powerful image - hard to imagine how that could be corrupted by the memory alterations.

Maybe her telling not the (whole) truth is not because her memory has been tampered with but because she chooses to do so. This theory is based on a hint by Drew and has been repped by Drew. Her story simply isn't all that reliable, only GalNet is. Drew writes the GalNet stuff on Kahina himself.
 
The seven veils make me think of the nuclear fuel layers in heavy stars,
Either a wolf-rayet star (discarding layers) while leaving the oxygen or carbon rich core naked (and creating small nebulaes*),
or a supernova, which have 7 layers (H,He,C,Ne,O,Si,Fe) prior to core collapse and leave a core of degenerate matter afterward (neutron star or BH) and the remnant (also nebula type of object).

*link to the less nebulous comment, as in less nebulous than the large nebulas ?

At least that would narrow down the search to some rather specific objects. I guess I'll check the nebula catalog in the cassiopea constellation this evening.
 
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Frankly I will be surprised if either of these are the case. I think we have correctly identified the rift. Now it is a case of scouring the far side.

Ditto. In fact, IIRC Drew himself said (many months ago) that the location as shown on Erimus' map is essentially the correct one. Which implies he was repping something else in that post - perhaps just the mythological origins of the planet names in the Prism system, out of pride. ;-)

Internet is finally sorted out so I should be back into the swing of things tonight. Think I will start by poking around looking for Hassan's home system.

Edit: Extra tinfoil supplement: It is odd though that the brief mention of the Rift in Lave Revolution (nice catch, whoever found that one) implies it is between Reorte and Riedquat. Perhaps this implies some sort of temporal or other phenomenon which can change location, and appear/disappear anywhere along the entire extended R-R line?

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Maybe her telling not the (whole) truth is not because her memory has been tampered with but because she chooses to do so. This theory is based on a hint by Drew and has been repped by Drew. Her story simply isn't all that reliable, only GalNet is. Drew writes the GalNet stuff on Kahina himself.

Galnet can also be unreliable, keep in mind.
 
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Here are a few more loose ends of mythology.

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That's enough tinfoil for one day. Don't take the road to Tartarus.:cool:

Han Zen in Wonderland... ;-)

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If this conclusion is what Drew rep'd LuckyLuke for... then Autolycus might offer a hint. Wikipedia says that the name means, "The Wolf Itself", or very wolf.

Bad Wolf. Just saying. For those who really want to mix genres. What would the Doctor do? ;-)
 
Hey guys!

Thanks for all info here, now you got me interested too :p Got my exploreconda and heading right in direction of line "Reorte-Riedquat".
Doing it this way - find Reorte on Galaxy Map -> Rotate map, so when i press "S" and move camera back, it goes straight into Riedquat -> hold "S" until camera reaches furthest star system -> Head to it. And what happens (if i manage to reach it of course) when i get to it, i don't care, will figure out there.

So, got my Conda with 39 Ly max, added 128 additional fuel tank just to make sure i can reach far systems if i run out of scoopable stars on way. Should i know anything before setting off? I couldn't read that links on first page, cause local ISPs block all google related sites.

Thanks.
 
The Core of the problem.

Here are a few more loose ends of mythology.

- Persephone, the station with Avalon ship yards. Persephone is also called Kore or Cora. She is the queen of the Greek underworld. She is also associated with spring as well as the fertility of vegetation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone

- Alvalon (from the Arthur myth) is linked to the “The Fortunate Isle”. The Fortunate Isle is also known as Elysium (or the Elysian Fields) in the Greek underworld.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium

- The Elysian Fields inevitably leads to Elyssia Fields, the copilot of Alex Ryder in 'The Dark Wheel'. She would of course be a very old woman by now. She has/had deep interest in Greek mythology and knowledge of the Dark Wheel.
http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/elite/books/the-dark-wheel/


I found this description of Elysium rather fascinating as it describes the deletion of memory upon departure:
"Some say that the soul receives judgement in the meadow (the Plain of Judgement) at the dividing of the road, whence are the two ways leading, one to the Isles of the Blest (or Elysium), and the other to Tartarus...

Elysium is a happy place which has a sun and stars of its own. The souls in Elysium cannot be grasped and are like phantoms . Those who dwell in Elysium exercise upon grassy playing-fields or wrestle friendly on yellow sands; some dance and others sing or chant poems. According to some in Elysium, which is considered to be ruled by Cronos, live also those who are not yet born. These souls swarm along the banks of the river Lethe (Oblivion)...

The souls who are destined for reincarnation drink from Lethe's stream and quench their troubles in forgetfulness so that they may return to corporeal existence on earth. This strange desire (some say perverse) for earthly existence appears to be a part of the laws governing the universe. Some of them, however, stay in Elysium, not needing to reincarnate in order to regain original purity, but the majority return to earth with their memories deleted after having drunk from the waters of Lethe. "


That's enough tinfoil for one day. Don't take the road to Tartarus.:cool:

As a former Director of Elysium Corp and moderator of their Lore page (Which included an interview with Drew) I can categorically confirm the Thargoids aren't using Yembo as a forward staging point for the invasion.

Honest.
 
- The Elysian Fields inevitably leads to Elyssia Fields, the copilot of Alex Ryder in 'The Dark Wheel'. She would of course be a very old woman by now. She has/had deep interest in Greek mythology and knowledge of the Dark Wheel.
http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/elite/books/the-dark-wheel/


I found this description of Elysium rather fascinating as it describes the deletion of memory upon departure:
"Some say that the soul receives judgement in the meadow (the Plain of Judgement) at the dividing of the road, whence are the two ways leading, one to the Isles of the Blest (or Elysium), and the other to Tartarus...

Elysium is a happy place which has a sun and stars of its own. The souls in Elysium cannot be grasped and are like phantoms . Those who dwell in Elysium exercise upon grassy playing-fields or wrestle friendly on yellow sands; some dance and others sing or chant poems. According to some in Elysium, which is considered to be ruled by Cronos, live also those who are not yet born. These souls swarm along the banks of the river Lethe (Oblivion)...

The souls who are destined for reincarnation drink from Lethe's stream and quench their troubles in forgetfulness so that they may return to corporeal existence on earth. This strange desire (some say perverse) for earthly existence appears to be a part of the laws governing the universe. Some of them, however, stay in Elysium, not needing to reincarnate in order to regain original purity, but the majority return to earth with their memories deleted after having drunk from the waters of Lethe. "


That's enough tinfoil for one day. Don't take the road to Tartarus.:cool:

Don't forget about this place:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_Planitia

Wasn't she trying not to be late going to Mars?
 
The seven veils make me think of the nuclear fuel layers in heavy stars,
Either a wolf-rayet star (discarding layers) while leaving the oxygen or carbon rich core naked (and creating small nebulaes*),
or a supernova, which have 7 layers (H,He,C,Ne,O,Si,Fe) prior to core collapse and leave a core of degenerate matter afterward (neutron star or BH) and the remnant (also nebula type of object).

*link to the less nebulous comment, as in less nebulous than the large nebulas ?

At least that would narrow down the search to some rather specific objects. I guess I'll check the nebula catalog in the cassiopea constellation this evening.

Whether right or wrong love this tinfoiling, "core of the problem", seven veils.

As an aside was the EB, P thing ever fully resolved? When some one suggested Eclipsing Binary Pulsar" and Drew responded the "P" does not stand for pulsar. Looking through star type notes I see its a common notation with Eclipsing Binaries EB, P, where P is the period of the pair. I know it's old I just don't recall seeing this being mentioned. Was it?
 
Whether right or wrong love this tinfoiling, "core of the problem", seven veils.

As an aside was the EB, P thing ever fully resolved? When some one suggested Eclipsing Binary Pulsar" and Drew responded the "P" does not stand for pulsar. Looking through star type notes I see its a common notation with Eclipsing Binaries EB, P, where P is the period of the pair. I know it's old I just don't recall seeing this being mentioned. Was it?

Yes: EB,P together with .,.. ......,. ... = 1,26,13 = A,Z,13 = ROT13 yielded RO,C which was an abbreviation for Right on, Commanders, followed by 1.3 (wait for the next release). Drew said that was it, it was a test of our problem solving skills so we were prepared for what was still to come.
 
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If we supposed to take the RR line the other way, then you won't have to travel very far at all to get to the edge of the arm. You will cross a much more populated void and hit the Sagittarius arm a little coreward of Eta Carinae.

Unless the Orion Spur does not count and we are to follow the Perseus Arm till we hit the far side and come out around the LOIJEAE sector, or if the rift is between the Sagittarius Arm and the Perseus Arm then somewhere around the PRIE AOD sector.

Frankly I will be surprised if either of these are the case. I think we have correctly identified the rift. Now it is a case of scouring the far side.

The "and keep going" part would suggest to carry on until you can see the "whole galaxy just hanging there", so the Perseus Arm then somewhere around the PRIE AOD sector would be the option I'd take.

Ditto. In fact, IIRC Drew himself said (many months ago) that the location as shown on Erimus' map is essentially the correct one. Which implies he was repping something else in that post - perhaps just the mythological origins of the planet names in the Prism system, out of pride. ;-)

Ah... well that could scupper the idea - can we get a link and put this to bed?

Extra tinfoil supplement: It is odd though that the brief mention of the Rift in Lave Revolution (nice catch, whoever found that one) implies it is between Reorte and Riedquat. Perhaps this implies some sort of temporal or other phenomenon which can change location, and appear/disappear anywhere along the entire extended R-R line?

Nice idea - but I think the whole galaxy hanging there thing says no

As an aside was the EB, P thing ever fully resolved? When some one suggested Eclipsing Binary Pulsar" and Drew responded the "P" does not stand for pulsar. Looking through star type notes I see its a common notation with Eclipsing Binaries EB, P, where P is the period of the pair. I know it's old I just don't recall seeing this being mentioned. Was it?

Yeah, it's Right on, Commander (RO, C = EB, P put through a Caesar cypher)
Edit: Ninja'd ^^
 
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