The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[Muetdhiver]

Also, there is an X ray source called Cepheus - X1 in the Cassiopeia constellation (neutron star).
It should be about 10° from the RR line.

Good spot on the Cepheus - Autolycus link.

I tried to interpret the clues in other ways, but Cassiopeia seems the strongest lead.

Though Salomé / Seven veils => Ishtar => Bull of heaven (Important at vernal equinox for bronze age cultures)
Then you could interpret the seven gates as the pleiades. Issue is that the other clues do not fit well (like Kahina name, RR line)

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Good spot on the Cepheus - Autolycus link.

It's a pretty flimsy link based on an obscure version of mythology that has him marrying Neaera the mother of Cepheus. The common version has Agenor as the father of Cepheus.

I tried to interpret the clues in other ways, but Cassiopeia seems the strongest lead.

Agree with this. Tinfoil hat on:

I can't help but think - what if the RR line gave us the direction of the rift ... and the other clues from places (and times) Kahina visited points to a particular star system. But it's not the star system that's of interest to us: it's what the star is pointing to in the rift if we drew a line through it all the way to the rift ...

I don't even know how to work out the math for something like that. But, something about the message on the holofac gives us the co-ordinates to work with.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Well, to be honest it's rather unclear if the Prism system holds any clues.

I also noticed that one could interpret the Ishtar/Salomé story as a star going to the underworld (land of the dead),
giving up layers of "clothing" as in a neutron star, or black hole (since in the myths, no one comes back from the
underworld, as for a black hole).

 

[stocko1111]

Well, to be honest it's rather unclear if the Prism system holds any clues.

I also noticed that one could interpret the Ishtar/Salomé story as a star going to the underworld (land of the dead),
giving up layers of "clothing" as in a neutron star, or black hole (since in the myths, no one comes back from the
underworld, as for a black hole).

Is there a particular angle light goes through a prism? Maybe this could be a clue as to directions. Absolutely no idea how though!

 

[Dommarraa]

My guess is the RR Line is merely pointing into the general location of the Rift, nothing more. The old woman said to move further out and wander. So the mystery system is no longer within the RR Line. As to how the old woman eventually figured out the system with her memories erased, the system turns out to be conveniently placed with all the known reference systems (i.e. the Sol - Heart Nebula BH Line)

Correct, the RR Line points at the Rift, NOT the thing we seek. However:
RR Line seems to point roughly through the center of the Rift (not that we know with any certainty how far it extends)
The Thing We Seek is in or beyond the Rift, not off to the side
Therefore, the RR Line makes a perfect point of reference for hunting The Thing We Seek.

Once you are more than 10 or 15 degrees off the line, you are probably too far out, and it would not be quite so accurate to describe the location as "beyond the rift", or if still was, nobody in their right mind would consider going "through" the rift to get to it, you would go around. (I know we go around anyway because long distances are a LOT easier now than they were when the book was conceived)

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Is there a particular angle light goes through a prism? Maybe this could be a clue as to directions. Absolutely no idea how though!

Thing is though, in the story of Elite Reclamation, it's a lot of chance encounters that we're basing the 'leads' upon. So it's not certain if any of it really means anything more than that.

Spoiler

The only 'reliable' source of information we have are two accounts from the old woman: one account when she was very old and a bit looney as Acheron puts it in the OP; and the other account is from an earlier holofac message Kahina finds after hacking into the imperial databanks (sorry if I'm giving away plot spoilers here ) All we can do after that is try and piece together what Kahina did after the events of Elite Reclamation.

 

[Jaiotu]

Once you are more than 10 or 15 degrees off the line, you are probably too far out, and it would not be quite so accurate to describe the location as "beyond the rift", or if still was, nobody in their right mind would consider going "through" the rift to get to it, you would go around. (I know we go around anyway because long distances are a LOT easier now than they were when the book was conceived)

I don't know... The R/R line certainly points TO the Rift. I'm not at all conviced that the line should be followed once the Rift has been reached.

It seems to me that you'd follow the line until the star density makes plotting a course difficult and then, from there, plot a new course directly away from the Galactic Core toward the outer edge.

The good news is... Right now there is no wrong answer. Until we narrow down this haystack at least.

 

[Muetdhiver]

More like until we can select which of the fields full of haystacks we should look at XD

 

[Han_Zen]

Thing is though, in the story of Elite Reclamation, it's a lot of chance encounters that we're basing the 'leads' upon. So it's not certain if any of it really means anything more than that.

Spoiler

The only 'reliable' source of information we have are two accounts from the old woman: one account when she was very old and a bit looney as Acheron puts it in the OP; and the other account is from an earlier holofac message Kahina finds after hacking into the imperial databanks (sorry if I'm giving away plot spoilers here ) All we can do after that is try and piece together what Kahina did after the events of Elite Reclamation.

That holofac must be quite old. The old lady mentions bypassing Galcop. This would place the time the message was recorded to before year 3200. I don't know exactly when Galcop was disbanded, but it was at least before the start of FE2.

 

[TFW Primus]

A bone!

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I really hope this has nothing to do with UAs. An interesting idea though.

I remember seeing someone mention bringing a UA out on the search through the rift before but I can't recall how far they got. I wonder if dropping a UA in the rift or past the rift might cause it to point somewhere other than Merope. Certainly having Meta Alloy infused cargo holds would help to get a UA out there.

 

[Gypsy12]

What if...

The seven veils are actually seven positional clues?

In order:

1. RR line (Go travel my friend!)
2. Pleiades (7 sisters all type O)
3. NGC 7822 (Hey, look! - Loads of type O's!)
4. 2MASS Cluster (Wow! Even more type O's!---I must be going somewhere...!)
5. Hey, Look! the Heart and Soul nebula! Right next to all these stars! (Hrmmm... what goes with Type O stars like bread and butter?)
6. BLACK Black hole systems, right next to the H&S Nebula!!! (PHRIO PHOE DL-Y G1 and ZE-A G2... both suspiciously at the same height (60, and 63)
7...Need more Tinfoil.

 

[SystematicChaos]

"2. Pleiades (7 sisters all type O)"

They're all B class.

 

[Gypsy12]

Murdered by SystematicChaos...

I hate facts. !

Anyhow, big bright stars then. (I know...but maybe you get the drift)

 

[Arjin]

Has anyone made it to Rho Cassiopeia yet?

Not yet to my knowledge I spent just over week trying every angle I could to try and get there even with J3 jumponium @79lyrs I couldn't make it.[cry] So just leaving until 2.1 comes out and see if we can significantly improve the FSD range.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Indeed, I tried several path, but 78 lyr is not enough :/

I really thought the FSD boosts would make it possible, but alas...

 

[VampyreGTX]

Not yet to my knowledge I spent just over week trying every angle I could to try and get there even with J3 jumponium @79lyrs I couldn't make it.[cry] So just leaving until 2.1 comes out and see if we can significantly improve the FSD range.

Indeed, I tried several path, but 78 lyr is not enough :/

I really thought the FSD boosts would make it possible, but alas...

If that's the case, then Rho-C would not be it. It SHOULD be possible with about a 25ly jump range. Did you try going around Rho-C until it was between you and the core (both the Galactic Core and the Core Worlds) and looking for a path from that direction ('your 6')?

 

[Muetdhiver]

No, but I don't think it would change the problem,
which is the very low star density directly above it.

IMO going toward or away from the core to it would not allow to
loop arround the bottleneck there.

 

[VampyreGTX]

No, but I don't think it would change the problem,
which is the very low star density directly above it.

IMO going toward or away from the core to it would not allow to
loop arround the bottleneck there.

Sorry, haven't been out that way and don't have access to the map. What about, from the R/R Line, looping out along an arm, out to the back side of it? Just tossing ideas out there as they come in. Almost a path. Follow the R/R line... then continue. Rho-C.... Tinfoil all around!

 

[Arjin]

If that's the case, then Rho-C would not be it. It SHOULD be possible with about a 25ly jump range. Did you try going around Rho-C until it was between you and the core (both the Galactic Core and the Core Worlds) and looking for a path from that direction ('your 6')?

I tried E, W, N, approaches and no matter the angle at right around 200lyrs from Rho the stars just flat drop to 90-110lyr distance, S approach mega impossible. It can only really be reached from a top down path as the on plane stars are simply too far away from each other and there is nothing below it.

EDIT: if it is possible to reach (I really wish FD would confirm this), then it is only one specific path of stars that would have to be perfectly completed in order to reach it.

 

[lorrad]

I tried E, W, N, approaches and no matter the angle at right around 200lyrs from Rho the stars just flat drop to 90-110lyr distance, S approach mega impossible. It can only really be reached from a top down path as the on plane stars are simply too far away from each other and there is nothing below it.

EDIT: if it is possible to reach (I really wish FD would confirm this), then it is only one specific path of stars that would have to be perfectly completed in order to reach it.

Dog ate my joystick cable while trying your 3D 1-2 mil lys ppoi check over a neutron star system so I'm out 'til a new one shows up unless I can get happy with keyboard flying but,,,

A bright shiny object just out of reach that keeps the kids(marks) attention so your buddies can move in from behind and pick their pockets or like a magicians trick if Rho Cass is the distraction in the right hand what's the left one up to? Often this is something near by, so you can watch what happens like tying a goat to steak so you can get a picture of a cougar, or what's the opposite of Rho Cass maybe the same distance but above the zero plane? Something else similar?


Unlikely but just sayin,,