The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[hiciacit]

Probably a bad theory but I want to share it with you, fellow rifters.

What if the system we are looking for isn't neither on the maps nor the navigation panel as the old lady said (the dark systems haven't been mapped)? Somebody tried to jump to a system A to system B with a system C in the perfect middle? It would perform a misjump?

If someone is in the bubble and wants to try if misjumps are possible I know a good place to try it: Orrere, Uszaa and Riedquat make a perfect line:

Riedquat 68.84375 / 48.75 / 69.75
Uszaa 68.84375 / 48.75 / 74.75
Orrere 68.84375 / 48.75 / 76.75

(data from EDSM.net)

As you can see the X-coord and Y-coord are exactly the same so they are perfectly aligned along Z axis. With that I want to know if misjumps are currently implemented on the game, and if so, it could be a new criteria for our search (find two stars perfectly aligned on the RR line, for example)

I'd try it if I could (jump from Riedquat to Orrere "through" Uszaa) but I'm in the New outer arm traveling on the RR-Line towards the Core. Can someone try it? Thank you very much!


Aaand following the seven-thing: There are seven neutron stars called "The magnificent seven", but I didn't have time to check if they are on Elite.

PS: Anyone have noticed there are stars absurdly outside the galaxy? for example: CSI+40-16027 (lots of KLy over the plane)

I tried several jumps around there, but I don't think anything like misjumps are in the game (think Michael might have said that at some point). The Old Worlds in general have a remarkable layout. They're all on the same plane (Y=48.75) and given the distances between them, there almost seems to be some purpose behind it (like an origami or something). Depending on whether you'd consider Quator part of the Old Worlds or not, that would be the only exception to the rule, as it's 1Ly lower.

Might be related or not, might be interesting (some FD easter egg) or not (all coincidence). Who's to say?

 

[Dommarraa]

With that I want to know if misjumps are currently implemented on the game

They are not. DB stated so when people were investigating the missing SS1

 

[Han_Zen]

Yeah I'm still pretty keen on the Cas A link. Certainly can't be ruled out until we find it (or something else instead)

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Whoever said what we're looking for is alive. Well, not in the normal sense anyway

I agree that Cas A is still interesting. Hints from Galnet tells of a possible alien species from Andromeda. Cas A may have been a lighthouse for them on arrival in the Milky Way.

I belive that whatever is to be found in the Rift, will most likely be evidence of past human sins. Humanity in generral and the Empire in particular has wiped out a scentinet species on Achenar. We may have done similar things elsewhere.

 

[Muetdhiver]

I do think that a systematic Survey of both the Cas - A and Tycho regions would be a good idea.

If anyone is interested in such search, contact me so that we can organize things.
I am curently close to NGC 884, but I will most likely return to the Tycho* region to scout it.

*Tycho is also a radio-source from the Cambridge catalog, and was very bright in visible light. It also ties with
the old atronomer poem. The problem is that there is no core/BH remaining, but it might be that the stuff to find
is in the region and that Tycho is just a pointer to it.

I have been grinding these clues for weeks now, and I have yet to find better fits to it.

 

[Qohen Leth]

Well, that region should also contain the Cas - A remnant/progenitor core, but I could not find it**.
I scanned the neutron stars in the region where it should be but nothing special there. Or I missed it.
It fitted the clues rather nicely, in particular to the "most enlightening / Cambridge visit / Core of the problem / 7 veils*" clues(?)

And contrary to the Tycho remnant, there should be some neutron star left (as it has been observed IRL).
I have yet to find a better fit for the clues.

*as Cas - A was discovered by radio-astronomy by a Cambridge group in 1947, Cas - A being the brightest
radio source out of the the solar system.

**Finding neutron stars in such sparse and large area is really tricky, and it is quite possible that I missed it
even with a triple survey of the area.

I spotted a few NS out there in the Rift.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Yeah, there are some.

The thing is : when you try to look for them in a region that measures like 200x200x3K lyr, it is easy to miss one.

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

I belive that whatever is to be found in the Rift, will most likely be evidence of past human sins. Humanity in generral and the Empire in particular has wiped out a scentinet species on Achenar. We may have done similar things elsewhere.

"You maniacs!!"

 

[Nazgutek]

B Cassiopeia, SN 1572, Tycho's Supernova, 3C 10 has galactic coordinates of G120.1+1.4, long 120.0869 lat 1.4227.

Using a distance of 8600ly (midway between the currently known distance range of 8000ly to 9800ly) gives coordinates of (-7441, 213, -4311)


Cassiopeia A has galactic coords of G111.7-2.1, long 111.7338 lat -2.1451.

Using a distance of 11000ly gives coordinates of (-10218, -411, -4073)

Obviously the largest error margin is on distance from Sol.

 

[Muetdhiver]

I got the same numbers. Note that cas - A distance has large uncertainties, 3.3-3.7 Kpc IIRC.
Tycho is in the same ballpark, so it creates a rather large areas. (at least 1K lyr in length).

 

[Vihear]

Greetings, Commanders,

I just wanted to bring your attention to a recent route that has been plotted through the Formidine Rift (see attachment). I hope this might be of use to some who want to explore the area.

Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626

Is that article peer-reviewed?
Great research, CMDR!

 

[crushdepth]

I agree that Cas A is still interesting. Hints from Galnet tells of a possible alien species from Andromeda. Cas A may have been a lighthouse for them on arrival in the Milky Way.

I belive that whatever is to be found in the Rift, will most likely be evidence of past human sins. Humanity in generral and the Empire in particular has wiped out a scentinet species on Achenar. We may have done similar things elsewhere.

What hints were those?

Idle speculation but I've got my money on a rogue AI. Whatever's out there, if it wanted to be found we probably would have seen evidence of it by now.

 

[Heisenberg6626]

Is that article peer-reviewed?
Great research, CMDR!

Actually, I put it on the Canonn website first, for peer review! ;-) So far, there have been made only minor corrections to that first draft (e.g. a reference to the Iridium Wing).

Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626

 

[Jaiotu]

Have added the route 32.6ly route through the hard bit of the Rift to the Rifters Sheet. Named the "Heisenberg Crossing" after the publisher of the information. (PDF format)
It does not come out particularly close to the RR Line, but it is a lot quicker than using the Formidine Bridge.

I am in that general area now looking for a way across. I'll give this passage a try.

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Actually, I put it on the Canonn website first, for peer review! ;-) So far, there have been made only minor corrections to that first draft (e.g. a reference to the Iridium Wing).

Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626

And now about to be put to the test!

 

[VR tazbert]

Hiya,

Had a quick go at the 'PR5' message, below is the map of seats superimposed on the galaxy map. It's only rough, but very interesting!
PR5 is south of SOL, I reckon the seats noted are a short way out at about 210 degrees. Might try to do a more accurate version if anyone is interested... ?

Andy

 

[Han_Zen]

What hints were those

https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/55cdae459657ba2536aa1055

Ricardo isn't the most reliable source in the galaxy, but there is always some truth in the nonsence (in the Elite reality).

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

100% agreed. It would also potentially attribute more credit to the depth with which player submitted Galnet articles are reviewed than is probably warranted. For those of us investigating the Rift it's kind of all encompassing and the biggest game in town. For the rest of the player base and therefore at some level FDEV it's barely a foot note. It's not a big stretch that the editor looks at the submissions for syntactic and general level of prose and clicks a button. Pouring over every implication, including something as subtle as "aha this proves X" is probably asking a bit much.

I'm not so sure- plot/storyline is obviously of great importance to MB & DB - witness the 7 authors (tinfoil moment- Seven Veils???) that generated the lore, & the occasional MB/DW clues/elucidations (often quite ambiguous & I suspect deliberately so, which requires some effort). I suspect just because the plot doesn't unfold as quickly or as clearly as sometimes we Cmdrs would wish doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of scrutiny going into the Galnet posts,
and probably these threads too - Cthulhu is watching you! ;-))

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Interesting!
Although there wouldn't be much chance for life.
taken from Wikipedia on Cas A
The expansion shell has a temperature of around 50 million degrees Fahrenheit (30 megakelvins), and is expanding at 4000−6000 km/s

mmm, must remember to buy factor 10,000 suncream next time I'm in the bubble!
)

 

[Belthize]

I agree that Cas A is still interesting. Hints from Galnet tells of a possible alien species from Andromeda. Cas A may have been a lighthouse for them on arrival in the Milky Way.

I belive that whatever is to be found in the Rift, will most likely be evidence of past human sins. Humanity in generral and the Empire in particular has wiped out a scentinet species on Achenar. We may have done similar things elsewhere.

Same. For quite some time I'd been relatively convinced that was the answer. Part of me suspects I gave up a bit too soon on it when I wandered off to follow a different theory. Given the travel distances I'm going to run this one to ground then probably head back to Cas A though the it'll probably be a month before then.

 

[Gypsy12]

EXCITEMENT ON THE CANONN THREAD!

Go have a look!

 

[CMDR Boozeman]

Hiya,

Had a quick go at the 'PR5' message, below is the map of seats superimposed on the galaxy map. It's only rough, but very interesting!
PR5 is south of SOL, I reckon the seats noted are a short way out at about 210 degrees. Might try to do a more accurate version if anyone is interested... ?

Andy

PR5 is Pleiades nebula perhaps? Maybe those eye-messages was some hints about incoming barnacles

 

[Qohen Leth]

Hiya,

Had a quick go at the 'PR5' message, below is the map of seats superimposed on the galaxy map. It's only rough, but very interesting!
PR5 is south of SOL, I reckon the seats noted are a short way out at about 210 degrees. Might try to do a more accurate version if anyone is interested... ?

Andy

http://i.imgur.com/U9WHTef.jpg

I'll take a look at that myself tonight if I can!

Pathfinders' OP : scouting starting this weekend, for as long as needed.