Yay! And now that it is official ... I notice all the errors, LOL. I need an editor! "a modern-day Joan of Arc ... a conduit chosen to by the Architects of Creation"
So embarrassed :x
The Formidine Rift - Part 2
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Yay! And now that it is official ... I notice all the errors, LOL. I need an editor! "a modern-day Joan of Arc ... a conduit chosen to by the Architects of Creation"
So embarrassed :x
Way to take the fun out of it Lorrad
Look, you're right on a few things - there are many, many unknowns here. I guess as long as we're able to separate clear fact and reliable clues from the conjecture, then we're free to still exercise our tin foil brains with all the possibilities, whilst keeping in mind the actual, reliable information
I hope the reboot of this thread will help keep the signal/noise clearly delineated. But who knows where this goes - only Salomé (and maybe Drew/FD) really know!
Reading back it looks ier than I intend.
Salome is clearly creating a mythos around herself, so if we're making the connections to berber queens, salome and the seven veils so would the public in 3302. Doesn't matter if the origins are random she's selecting which to pick up and use. Once the seed's planted in peoples mind you can't undo it, like spell casting in an election "lyin' ted". And like him she keeps her secret plan to save the galaxy in her back pocket and asks us to trust her, "dark things are afoot, if you only knew what I knew, trust me" - a galpal close to Kahina said.
Saviors and con-artists is there a difference, I can't tell.
Excitement and disappointment, look at how the myth of Atlantis worked out. We found it great, Santorini. No Madam Blavatsky, flying saucers, or universal secrets, boo-hoo. But hey I finally get to walk the streets of Atlantis! Damn it's hot, I need a drink, don't these people believe in air conditioning, I'm outa here.
It's the house bet.
Tinfoil time I guess, as you folks put it 
After coming back from my weeks holiday and reading some of the Elite Books, which I found made really good reading, Salome/Kahina seems to me to have 2 personalities, DID, or Dissociative identity disorder. As Kahina, she ended up becoming quite bossy, aloof, and seemed to suffer from illusions of grandeur. Whereas, as Salome, she seemed to be more stable, comfortable around other people and much easier to get on with. This might be due to her memory problems which can be related to DID.
Now however, after catching up on this thread, it seems as if her different types of characters seem to be merging, or... is Kahina beginning to break through. I don't know, but with Reclamation fresh in my mind, it is simply an observation. Kahina I didn't like at all, but Salome, I could relate to. Maybe she was just highly manipulative and chose her attitude depending on the circumstances what she wanted.
When she now reacts to us, what part of her personality is talking to us?
After coming back from my weeks holiday and reading some of the Elite Books, which I found made really good reading, Salome/Kahina seems to me to have 2 personalities, DID, or Dissociative identity disorder. As Kahina, she ended up becoming quite bossy, aloof, and seemed to suffer from illusions of grandeur. Whereas, as Salome, she seemed to be more stable, comfortable around other people and much easier to get on with. This might be due to her memory problems which can be related to DID.
Now however, after catching up on this thread, it seems as if her different types of characters seem to be merging, or... is Kahina beginning to break through. I don't know, but with Reclamation fresh in my mind, it is simply an observation. Kahina I didn't like at all, but Salome, I could relate to. Maybe she was just highly manipulative and chose her attitude depending on the circumstances what she wanted.
When she now reacts to us, what part of her personality is talking to us?
Tinfoil time I guess, as you folks put it
After coming back from my weeks holiday and reading some of the Elite Books, which I found made really good reading, Salome/Kahina seems to me to have 2 personalities, DID, or Dissociative identity disorder. As Kahina, she ended up becoming quite bossy, aloof, and seemed to suffer from illusions of grandeur. Whereas, as Salome, she seemed to be more stable, comfortable around other people and much easier to get on with. This might be due to her memory problems which can be related to DID.
Now however, after catching up on this thread, it seems as if her different types of characters seem to be merging, or... is Kahina beginning to break through. I don't know, but with Reclamation fresh in my mind, it is simply an observation. Kahina I didn't like at all, but Salome, I could relate to. Maybe she was just highly manipulative and chose her attitude depending on the circumstances what she wanted.
When she now reacts to us, what part of her personality is talking to us?
Talking to us or playing us?
Perhaps as well she isn't so much chosen by the dark wheel as created? All the fuss about her not looking like the rest of her family?
What's so special about her that out all the people in the galaxy only she was suited to Octavia's purpose?
And what was good for Octavia must be even more so for Kahina herself?
Would she create a line of clones to make her Queen of Heaven forever?
I need to go back and revisit a piece if I can find it. Something struck me as being odd on one passage, but alas, I didn't mark it on my kindle.
Playing us? could be, but there again if that were the case, its a lot of fuss about nothing.
And why doesn't she look like her sisters.
And where did Octavia get that high tech gizmo anyway (cough Walden cough).
Tinfoil time I guess, as you folks put it
After coming back from my weeks holiday and reading some of the Elite Books, which I found made really good reading, Salome/Kahina seems to me to have 2 personalities, DID, or Dissociative identity disorder. As Kahina, she ended up becoming quite bossy, aloof, and seemed to suffer from illusions of grandeur. Whereas, as Salome, she seemed to be more stable, comfortable around other people and much easier to get on with. This might be due to her memory problems which can be related to DID.
Now however, after catching up on this thread, it seems as if her different types of characters seem to be merging, or... is Kahina beginning to break through. I don't know, but with Reclamation fresh in my mind, it is simply an observation. Kahina I didn't like at all, but Salome, I could relate to. Maybe she was just highly manipulative and chose her attitude depending on the circumstances what she wanted.
When she now reacts to us, what part of her personality is talking to us?
She was raised as an Imperial brat, rejected by her family because of her looks (& independent thought/rebellious nature & inherent talent), clinically died, suffered from amnesia, so not surprising there is a bit of a dichotomy apparent in her personality. Then she goes on a mischievous adventure with Hassan to find & explore the Formidine Rift, then goes on to explore out to Beagle Point on the opposite side of the Galaxy. My inference is that she found something in the Rift, which led to the DWE trip to expand what she had found. Now she is warning of a "great threat", using her influence with CoR to start a fighting force initially stationed in the Rift to watch & wait for something. After the force is battle hardened perhaps it will be used against Patreus to recover the Prism system; to me it is rather reminiscent of Dune & Paul Atreides (another aristocratic brat) using the Fremen's belief system to focus them to fight the Emperor, with an Alien/AI threat added for good measure.
EDIT: looks like interesting times ahead!
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Didn't Kahina refuse the traditional genetic modifications, to fit the imperal fashion ideals?
Or am I making up stuff?
Nope you're not.
Any nod to Dune is a good thing.
Certainly is an interesting character to try and pin down. Has anybody done a map of her know journeys with dates and such? if not might have to get on that see if it shows anything at all.
Ah, one thing that bugged me a lot as well! Why did Octavia not just give up when her own live became at stake after she got her hands on the pod, forget about Kahina and high-tail and run? I would think the pod was more important than Kahina for Octavia's goal, no? It's even stated somewhere in the book that Kahina is not the only one who would be genetically compatible (cannot look up the quote now). Why would Octavia risk dying to get Kahina if there are others that might serve her purpose, especially since staying alive was her main motive?
I re-read the book a while ago and I was actually hoping I had missed something somewhere the first time around, and that Octavia's plan had actually worked (Kahina did get locked in the pod for a brief while). Oh well ... still no interest in following Salome/Kahina on her word alone. She's not a nice person.
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I had been trying to reconstruct her journey from the book. Have a lot of notes lying around somewhere. When I actually tried to visit places in game however ... there's just nothing there. There are horrendously glaring inconsistencies with respect to how things are actually implemented in game (not just compared to the book, sometimes even compared to descriptions on the galmap).
That's sort of when I lost interest and gave up, assuming the 'mystery of the Formidine Rift' will either be bigger disappointment or simply not in game until FD decides to put it in and/or have players find it (anyone remember how the barnacles were discovered?).
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I think it's worth pointing out a post by Frostypaw in a different thread, pointing out what looks to me like a fairly decent possible link between the SS1 disaster and the mystery of a Rift, by way of Core Dynamics - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=248344&p=3865972&viewfull=1#post3865972
I'm not sure of the "go there in a Core Dynamics ship" suggestion, but to my ears "Core Dynamics" is the strongest possible interpretation of "the Core of the problem" so far.
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I'm not sure of the "go there in a Core Dynamics ship" suggestion, but to my ears "Core Dynamics" is the strongest possible interpretation of "the Core of the problem" so far.
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OK, found it...
Chapter 12
Zyair's eyes widened as he recognised the subject of the recording. "His daughter..."
So this to me suggests that Kahina was not the daughter of the Senator but Patron Zyair. This would account for having different traits to the 2 sisters, such as hair, etc. Who knows what went on between the Patron's and Senators Wife.. (Forget her name).
To that end, is there any background on Zyair? Any mentions in Galnet regarding him ?
My short term memory is not so good these days, owing to strong drugs, but was there a connection between Octavia and Zyair?
Kitty
Chapter 12
Zyair's eyes widened as he recognised the subject of the recording. "His daughter..."
So this to me suggests that Kahina was not the daughter of the Senator but Patron Zyair. This would account for having different traits to the 2 sisters, such as hair, etc. Who knows what went on between the Patron's and Senators Wife.. (Forget her name).
To that end, is there any background on Zyair? Any mentions in Galnet regarding him ?
My short term memory is not so good these days, owing to strong drugs, but was there a connection between Octavia and Zyair?
Kitty
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Surely the quotes around "His daughter..." indicate Zyair said it out loud?
And now Jaques is gettin' out of Dodge for Beagle point?
There's a nod for the Armageddon Adverse to sell up and hitch a ride outa town.
Scary business is a foot indeed.
Or thought it of course. What was really meant is a little ambiguous, but Drew has said, read between the lines
I see its been edited,,
Notorious conspiracy theorist Ricardo Bentonio, speaking from the Groombridge 34 system, has issued a statement of support for former Federal president Jasmina Halsey:
"They're calling Halsey crazy, but she may just be a modern-day Joan of Arc – a conduit chosen by the Architects of Creation to speak to mankind. The powers-that-be want to silence her by locking her away. I demand that I and a small group of scientists be granted an audience with President Halsey so we can find out the truth."
Bentonio recently made headlines after issuing a plea for cartographic data to prove that the 29th of February was an 'aberrant day' heralding the imminent collapse of the universe. What Mr Bentonio did with that data, and whether it helped to prove or disprove his theories, has not been released to the public.
Commander Finn McMillan
More important edit "small group of scientist and I", to "I and a small group of scientists"...crazy first, always.
Yes! Thankfully my late night typing mistakes got cleaned up! As for the placement of 'I' ... That is one I will always mess up on. I had a grammar school teacher who taught us that the 'I' or the 'me' when referring to oneself along with another always comes last and it is so well drilled into my head that it can't seem to be undone.
Yes! Thankfully my late night typing mistakes got cleaned up! As for the placement of 'I' ... That is one I will always mess up on. I had a grammar school teacher who taught us that the 'I' or the 'me' when referring to oneself along with another always comes last and it is so well drilled into my head that it can't seem to be undone.
I don't even know why I'm chipping in here, except I find it interesting!
Actually the pronouns often should go last, just because it reads better, especially when they are the object of a verb : 'John and I went to the rift' sounds far better than 'I and John went...'.
When you are the subject of a verb, though : 'John told Pete and me that he was made of tinfoil' sounds as equally 'right' as 'John told me and Pete that...'
For the first, I'd only consider sticking 'I' first if sticking the additional people in a subordinate clause : 'I, and my fellow tinfoilers, went to the rift'; but I'd still likely edit it to 'My fellow tinfoilers and I went to the rift', because it's got less punctuation and therefore reads better.
So I actually think Ian D's overdone that one.
Anyway - I'll sod off now, sorry!
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