The Galactic Mapping Project & Historical Archive of Exploration

[Erimus Kamzel]

First time poster but long been lurking here and on the FGE forums. Needed a real journey, I've got my ASP pointed at Eta Carina right now. From there I am debating on making a left to head up the carina-sagittarius arm into sectors 3 and 4, or whether to turn right, jump the gap and head directly rimward out to the ends of the perseus arm. It does not appear that the very end of the perseus arm is actually on the map at the top of the thread. Any opinion on where to go once I hit Eta Carina tonight or tomorrow?

If you check out the Map-05 The Upper 4th Quadrant (on the localized maps, not the main overview map), you'll see the tail end of the Perseus arm right on the galactic rim, although I haven't labelled it.

There is nothing known about the 4th Quadrant. As far as I know only one other explorer has shown an interest in heading out there but I haven't heard back from them, that was a couple of weeks ago.

What I noticed on my journey to the far side of the galaxy is there isn't a lot of content out there yet so it may be a case of either waiting for more stuff to be added before committing to a long term expedition, or head out there now and hope there's still something of interest to report back on.

If you don't want to go too far, why not check out the NGC 3199 Nebula, its around 6,000 LYs beyond Eta Carina. Its hard to spot on the map so it may be one of the few nebula in the local region that hasn't been explored. Wherever you decide to go, good luck out there

 

[Murishani]

If you check out the Map-05 The Upper 4th Quadrant (on the localized maps, not the main overview map), you'll see the tail end of the Perseus arm right on the galactic rim, although I haven't labelled it....

....If you don't want to go too far, why not check out the NGC 3199 Nebula, its around 6,000 LYs beyond Eta Carina. Its hard to spot on the map so it may be one of the few nebula in the local region that hasn't been explored. Wherever you decide to go, good luck out there

I must be misunderstanding what is what on the maps :S I thought map 5 of the upper 4th quadrant contained the scutum-centaurus arm and the very tip of the carina-sagittarius arm. I was under the impression that the Perseus Arm was lower i.e. in Map 9, going off screen and then picking up the very tip end in map 2. Am I reading the map incorrectly? Attached is how I'm reading the map, perhaps Im just very turned around.

Spoiler

If Im reading it correctly, NGC 3199 is out at the tip of the orion spur (on map 3), and then Perseus arm is rimward (pictured in map 2), and carina-sgt arm is coreward (pictured in map 3,4 & 5) from there is that correct?

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Yes you're reading it correctly, except you'll find NGC 3199 on map 01... its to the "east" Eta Carina.

I probably need to label all the arms on every map to make it clearer to get our bearings. At the moment I've only labelled one or two arms on each map.

 

[Murishani]

I probably need to label all the arms on every map to make it clearer to get our bearings. At the moment I've only labelled one or two arms on each map.

It probably doesn't help that my knowledge of astronomy is very limited so I don't know these astrographic details off the top of my head.

Your videos, maps and contributions to the explorers community are inspiring Erimus. This thread especially has really encouraged me to get out there.

I've got myself set for NGC 3199 (with little hope that it hasnt already been tagged), and from there Ill be turning rimward to see how close to oblivion I can get on the edge. I think my "mission" is to see if I can find a navigable path across that big void to the sparse tip of the New Outer Arm from Perseus. that looks like a gap worth trying to jump, Ill have to watch the fuel gauge. Since that area (the very end of the new outer arm below Perseus) isn't on the primary map, should I provide one?

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

It probably doesn't help that my knowledge of astronomy is very limited so I don't know these astrographic details off the top of my head.

Your videos, maps and contributions to the explorers community are inspiring Erimus. This thread especially has really encouraged me to get out there.

Thanks!

I've got myself set for NGC 3199 (with little hope that it hasnt already been tagged), and from there Ill be turning rimward to see how close to oblivion I can get on the edge. I think my "mission" is to see if I can find a navigable path across that big void to the sparse tip of the New Outer Arm from Perseus. that looks like a gap worth trying to jump, Ill have to watch the fuel gauge. Since that area (the very end of the new outer arm below Perseus) isn't on the primary map, should I provide one?

Those outer voids can be tricky to cross. On the far side of the galaxy I had to do an 11,000 LY detour along the rim to find a way back across the Abyss and back into the Scutum-Centaurus arm. I was out on the far rim for 10 days and hadn't made a note of the route I'd initially took to cross the Abyss (and the route planner was buggy too, wouldn't plot a course for me back then). But eventually I lived to tell the tale

I'm not sure what the star density is like out on the rim you're heading for but its probably worth keeping a record of your route once you're out there just in-case you have to retrace your steps back into the Perseus arm.

The primary map is missing a few of the outer edges of the galaxy as I don't think I could zoom it out far enough to get a full screenshot of the whole thing. If you figure a way to add those missing bits I'll try and find a way to present them on the overview map.

 

[Murishani]

I'm not sure what the star density is like out on the rim you're heading for but its probably worth keeping a record of your route once you're out there just in-case you have to retrace your steps back into the Perseus arm.

Thin, I've looked around a bit out there already it may be rough sailing, but that's half the fun.
I'm keeping extensive records via EDDisovery, sending back all the distances and cataloging anything major for the EDSC, so I should be able to chart back home if I get stuck-ish.

The primary map is missing a few of the outer edges of the galaxy as I don't think I could zoom it out far enough to get a full screenshot of the whole thing. If you figure a way to add those missing bits I'll try and find a way to present them on the overview map.

I'll see what I can do, I might be able to manage that.
If I find anything interesting on the trip, or manage to swing a full galaxy map, I'll post here again.

Fly safe CMDR Erimus, thank you for the advice.

 

[drew]

This is an excellent project, keep it up Commanders. As for the Formidine Rift, keep an eye on the Galnet feeds. The truth is... ahem... out there.

Cheers,

Drew.

 

[Murishani]

I'll see what I can do, I might be able to manage that.

yeah... so about that.
As is obvious, the map is not a 2 dimensional object, which would still be fine except that the map is also being projected on some kind of hemispherical or cylindrical shape also, so that things near the edges of the display are distorted making it very difficult to stitch multiple shots together (you can test this yourself if you watch the size of navigational markers).
I couldn't get a result better than what you've got already with or without the very edges of the galaxy.
So short of someone at Frontier granting our little project a high resolution full galaxy image, I guess I will just be making a specific map for the "south eastern" part of the galactic rim, and you can include it however you want when it's done.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Back in gamma it was possible to zoom the map out and get a full screen shot of the whole galaxy, unfortunately I never grabbed one at the time. Then after release it seems something changed and I can no longer get a full picture, the edges of some spiral arms are missing. I'm not sure if a higher resolution and larger monitor will have any bearing on that?

But yeah, it would be great if frontier provided us with a high res screenshot of the whole galaxy. I could then remake the regional maps in more detail.

 

[Fenric]

This is an excellent project, keep it up Commanders. As for the Formidine Rift, keep an eye on the Galnet feeds. The truth is... ahem... out there.

Cheers,

Drew.

Drew your comments make my brain do this in anticipation: https://youtu.be/FdCy6MGOVfw

 

[Murishani]

Been making slow progress due to some other obligations.
I would like to note that Map 1 might do with the addition of the Statue of Liberty Nebula, and I would like to note a second badlands area along the spur between the Statue of Liberty and the Eta Carinae Nebulas. It's not impassible but it would be easy enough to strand yourself in if not paying attention.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Been making slow progress due to some other obligations.
I would like to note that Map 1 might do with the addition of the Statue of Liberty Nebula, and I would like to note a second badlands area along the spur between the Statue of Liberty and the Eta Carinae Nebulas. It's not impassible but it would be easy enough to strand yourself in if not paying attention.

Thanks Murishani. Yeah Liberty Nebula should be on there, I'll add it as soon as I can.

Can you also give me a few system names for those badlands so I can pinpoint them on the map?

I'll be overhauling the maps over the weekend and adding a few bits of older data from some of my own trips around the local region, stuff that I never got around to adding, so any info you can provide will go on the newer maps in a few days time.

Cheers!

 

[Murishani]

a few system names for those badlands

Actually the best way to see what I'm talking about is to go look at the statue of liberty in the gal map, go directly up about 100 ly and you'll see a smattering of TT, T, L, and Y stars, if you start moving your camera towards Eta Carina youll see that it extends almost the whole way. It starts above statue of liberty and then moves toward Eta Carina, it then hooks rimward down below Eta Carina and breaks up near NGC 3590 and NGC 3293 a little bit. The trouble here is that if you take a straight line shot from the statue of liberty to Eta Carina, youll run into it. If you drop below the Statue of Liberty and then head to Eta Carina you'll bypass all of it. Looking at the badlands more thoroughly it looks like it might run all the way over to the Orion Sagittarius gap. It seems to closely correspond to that dark spot "L" shaped spot near the Vela Molecular ridge. I attached a little image here to sort of show the section I noted, Im not sure how extensive it really is coreward or rimward but it is bigger than it appears in this image, this is just the section relevant to touring the nebulas.

Spoiler

Like I said, there's a smattering of scoopable stars all throughout the badlands, I didn't have too much trouble traversing it in a 32-ish range ASP but it would be very easy to strand yourself with a smaller jump range or if not paying attention.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

That's excellent, thanks!

I'll mark it as best I can on the relevant map with a simple outline, like how the other badlands are marked, but I'll make a reference on the description blurb to that great screenshot mockup you made.

 

[Murishani]

Awesome! Name it whatever you like. Eta Carina Badlands, Nebula Badlands, or Vela Molecular Badlands come to mind. Im not sure how far coreward it goes but its definitely relevant and worth exploring on the galmap. Its easily bypassed, but also easy to stumble into.

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

Dunno if it qualifies, but i try.

I have been doing the trip beetween sol and seagull neabula 6 times. Every time i noticed that if you move 100 ly above sol plane, all stars are named Wregoe, while the stars below are synuefe near sol, then col 121 sector, then another one.
In the wregoe plane almost every star is scoopable, and altough there are many M class, it's plenty of FGK, they are super frequent. This plane that i call the Wregoe plane, stretches for at least 4000 Ly from sol toward the seagull nebula east and the coalsack nebula north.

I learned to travel there: you skip the dwarven ocean 100ly below, that is less interesting and sometimes requires rerouting for fuel scoop. And the wregoe plane is very fertile, i found many life bearing planets and some ELW, and it seems there are more ELW concentrated there. All those FGK, with occasional A and many M, are almost always interesting systems.

To me it makes a difference becouse:
Below it's dwarven ocean
the fgk concentration is incredible, even if i plan a random route every 3 jumps i land in a fgk
from a visual point of wiev, raising from the ecliptica, you start to see a lot of brighter stars agrregated in small clusters. Initially i used to move up to breathe (fuel scoop), then i realized i could as well travel up.

So i call it the Wregoe Plane.

Problem is i don't know how far it stretches.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Dunno if it qualifies, but i try.

I have been doing the trip beetween sol and seagull neabula 6 times. Every time i noticed that if you move 100 ly above sol plane, all stars are named Wregoe, while the stars below are synuefe near sol, then col 121 sector, then another one.
In the wregoe plane almost every star is scoopable, and altough there are many M class, it's plenty of FGK, they are super frequent. This plane that i call the Wregoe plane, stretches for at least 4000 Ly from sol toward the seagull nebula east and the coalsack nebula north.

I learned to travel there: you skip the dwarven ocean 100ly below, that is less interesting and sometimes requires rerouting for fuel scoop. And the wregoe plane is very fertile, i found many life bearing planets and some ELW, and it seems there are more ELW concentrated there. All those FGK, with occasional A and many M, are almost always interesting systems.

To me it makes a difference becouse:
Below it's dwarven ocean
the fgk concentration is incredible, even if i plan a random route every 3 jumps i land in a fgk
from a visual point of wiev, raising from the ecliptica, you start to see a lot of brighter stars agrregated in small clusters. Initially i used to move up to breathe (fuel scoop), then i realized i could as well travel up.

So i call it the Wregoe Plane.

Problem is i don't know how far it stretches.

The "Wregoe Plane". That sounds like an interseting find, right on our doorstep too. Can you provide me with a system name from each of its boundaries (seagull neb and coalsack boundary)?

It may be too large to mark on the map as it could overlap all the other local map data already marked, but I'll see what I can do.

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

The "Wregoe Plane". That sounds like an interseting find, right on our doorstep too. Can you provide me with a system name from each of its boundaries (seagull neb and coalsack boundary)?

It may be too large to mark on the map as it could overlap all the other local map data already marked, but I'll see what I can do.

Ok Erimus, you just gave me a current expedition goal.
Now I am at WREGOE CF-R D4-47, 906.44 Ly from Sol. Sol is behind and below ship, Seagull is in front and below. 100Ly under me it's where the Synuefe start to become Col 121 Sector. I will go on toward the seagull and follow the Wregoe plane untill it lasts. Will send you bordering system with pictures if/when i'll find them. After that i will move West and see.
It will take weeks, i guess we have no hurry.

Maybe other pilots that are willing to find next exploration goal could check if it goes from sol to other directions.

EDIT: on the Coal Sack area last one i recorded 2 months ago was WREGOE LR-N D6-106 [832.46 Ly from Sol], containing an ELW with rings. I haven't the slighest idea if it goes further, but that beeing the route to the core probably other explorers have an idea.

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

starting to find references:

http://ollieclark.com/cmdrol/?p=90 from the link:

The next day after a Chef(TM) full English I headed straight upwards again through the Wregoe Sector. I was off the beaten track now and most systems were undiscovered. Wregoe GB-Q C20-1, Wregoe GR-G B41-0 and HIP 58489 even had gas giants with water and ammonia based life. Wregoe YO-D B42-0 had 12 ringed planets, an astounding sight.

http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/32c1nf/stuck_so_close_from_wregoe_tvl_c240/.compact:

I am in wregoe VQ-L C24-0 A and there is no way to reach wregoe tv-l c24-0 because the route planner cannot reach it, my jump distance is 36.7

http://ed-td.space/en/9/System/idSys/23559/nSys/Wregoe+EB-W+b57-0

http://ed-td.space/en/9/System/idSys/23560/nSys/Wregoe+EN-I+c23-11

So it seems it's indeed above the ecliptical plane, probably it stretches a lot, dunno if it makes sense, but i'll try to understand if it has borders.
It seems all of these systems where randomly generated, since i can't find a real life reference to Wregoe and stars.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Great stuff Akira. I'll be updating the maps over the weekend, or early next week, giving them a bit of a overhaul. This data will be a great addition. Cheers!