The Galactic Mapping Project & Historical Archive of Exploration

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

Mhhhh, first observations suggest that every star from 100Ly above acliptical to the very end (something like 1000ly above the ecliptical) are called wregoe.

Wregoe lower limit (where I'm now there's a lower border between synuefe stars)

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And it goes up untill it all ends

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I've checked and this does not apply below the ecliptical, systems are not called wregoe

In following days/weeks i'll look for north/south or east/west borders.

As much as i would like to be in the list, probably my theory that they have more FGK stars is not true, since the "plane" it's 1000ly thick.

On other hand it doesn't seem i am the first that "goes up" in the wregoe to fuel scoop. If it has borders it could be a valid entry.

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

Lol i hope i'm not posting too much in the thread.

Thanks to ingame help of CMDR KANCRO VANTAS that is better than me at reading the galaxy map, indeed there is a WREGOE plane, 500-800 Ly wide and circa 900 ly thick. North-East from sol.

There's a precise up/down border at roughly n/21/-n coordinates.
Below it, expecially in low density area like toward the seagull, stars are sparse and mostly brown dwarves.
Above density is better and i'm seeing only scoopable stars.

All the WREGOE stars are procedully generated, beneath them the very rare know HIP, HD and HR that are mainly giants or OBA and exists for real.

SCientific data with possibly coordinates will follow (hopefully)

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

Coordinates following

If you open the map, point the four coordinates i'm giving you, and connect them with a line, you will have a square, roughly 1000ly wide, this is the WREGOE Plane, and it is just north east from Sol (i think some wregoe systems might be in the upper NE border of the civilized bubble).

Imagining the centre of the square:
South West Corner: 240:n:-200
North West Corner: 1160:n:200
North East Corner: 950:n:-1040
South East Corner: -50:n:-1040

(Unfortunately the square has his sides like 15° inclined from the galaxy grid so the numbers look strange but it's a square)

Now for thickness:

Below Border, wich i call Breathe Threshold, is at n:-21:n (so indeed below Sol)
Above Border: the galaxy, can vary.

ROUGHLY we can say thickness to be 1000Ly

So it could be seen as a cube.

The interesting think is that you find yourself in that area where star density is low, you can go up and pass the Breathe Threshold, entering the WREGOE plane, fuel scoop, and possibly have better systems to scan.

Having made a casual FASTEST route just above the Breathe Threshold my sequence of casual stars were: M-F-G-M-M-M-G-M-M-F-A-M-K-M-M-M-M-G-F-K-A-M-M-M-M. (Jump range 33.01Ly). That COMPLETLY DOES NOT MAKE a statistic, still when i'll be in the area i'll stay above the Breathe Threshold lol.

If all of this makes sense or is of any interest, please mention also CMDR KANCRO VANTAS.

Salutes from the WREGOE Threshold:

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P.S. now i will leave your thread alone

 

[Kancro Vantas]

Oh my! Oh my! Master Erimus, so this is your latest ambition? Whoa! Very nice!! Congrats!!

Not gonna say I read it all, but I did read some of the names you put to some areas! Awesome job, truly!! And very, very tedious and arduous too!

I want to partake as well, although I'm not as original or as knowledgeable as many here -Zulu Romeo, I'm looking at you- but well, guess little by little you build a sand castle, right?


Before continue though, I must say I hope you don't get to name your children:

-"Poor little Vulpecula, she failed social class again!"

-"Oh well, no wonder!"

Actually the best way to see what I'm talking about is to go look at the statue of liberty in the gal map, go directly up about 100 ly and you'll see a smattering of TT, T, L, and Y stars, if you start moving your camera towards Eta Carina youll see that it extends almost the whole way. It starts above statue of liberty and then moves toward Eta Carina, it then hooks rimward down below Eta Carina and breaks up near NGC 3590 and NGC 3293 a little bit. The trouble here is that if you take a straight line shot from the statue of liberty to Eta Carina, youll run into it. If you drop below the Statue of Liberty and then head to Eta Carina you'll bypass all of it. Looking at the badlands more thoroughly it looks like it might run all the way over to the Orion Sagittarius gap. It seems to closely correspond to that dark spot "L" shaped spot near the Vela Molecular ridge. I attached a little image here to sort of show the section I noted, Im not sure how extensive it really is coreward or rimward but it is bigger than it appears in this image, this is just the section relevant to touring the nebulas.

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http://i61.tinypic.com/2itjtx5.jpg

Like I said, there's a smattering of scoopable stars all throughout the badlands, I didn't have too much trouble traversing it in a 32-ish range ASP but it would be very easy to strand yourself with a smaller jump range or if not paying attention.

That's excellent, thanks!

I'll mark it as best I can on the relevant map with a simple outline, like how the other badlands are marked, but I'll make a reference on the description blurb to that great screenshot mockup you made.

Awesome! Name it whatever you like. Eta Carina Badlands, Nebula Badlands, or Vela Molecular Badlands come to mind. Im not sure how far coreward it goes but its definitely relevant and worth exploring on the galmap. Its easily bypassed, but also easy to stumble into.

OMG!!! OMG!!! I JUST PASSED THAT PATCH TWO WEEKS AGO!!! HATED IT!!.....As Murishani reports, you can still scoop as there are enough stars for it, but you need to be on your toes! Not a good region to tempt luck! Really dry and cold in terms of planets and stars...I went thru the entire thing myself.

This made me think that ETA CARINA Nebula is actually bigger than just the cloud...as per Wikipedia, it should be kinda of a huge nebula with Eta Carinae being part of it....also NGC 3293 open cluster seemed to be part of the whole thing...though of this unfortunate stretch as a red sea made by the nebula....

Lol i hope i'm not posting too much in the thread.

Thanks to ingame help of CMDR KANCRO VANTAS that is better than me at reading the galaxy map, indeed there is a WREGOE plane, 500-800 Ly wide and circa 900 ly thick. North-East from sol.

There's a precise up/down border at roughly n/21/-n coordinates.
Below it, expecially in low density area like toward the seagull, stars are sparse and mostly brown dwarves.
Above density is better and i'm seeing only scoopable stars.

All the WREGOE stars are procedully generated, beneath them the very rare know HIP, HD and HR that are mainly giants or OBA and exists for real.

SCientific data with possibly coordinates will follow (hopefully)

Nah, thanks for compliments but really didn't do anything, just played with map a bit!!! You did all the hardwork and hard data!!! Way to go!!!


I will be posting info on this over the weekend!! I have to dig in my notes and previous logs to see what's worthy of mentioning here... I pretty much silly-name systems and ELP's...but if I find a region I'll report!!

P.S. By the way Erimus, I passed one system explored by you around that area..pic 19 of this album I just made last weekend; https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142444

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Coordinates following..

Hopefully I'll find room on the maps. If it covers too wide an area I may have to just mark it with a numbered index. But all the details about it will go in as its description.

I think I may even make a deeper scale map for the local region around Sol now, as that's obviously the most well known area of the map with the most gathered data... I'm finding it hard to fit everything on. Will have these updated in a few days.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Oh my! Oh my! Master Erimus, so this is your latest ambition? Whoa! Very nice!! Congrats!!

Thanks Its quite an old project really that's ebbed and flowed with interest since it began. When I got back from my trip to the far galactic rim I wanted to preserve some of the great info we explorers were bringing back and the stories we were telling. Those posts get lost on the forums too quickly, so this was one way to remember at little bit about what folks have been out and discovered, albeit brief snippets of info that future explorers can use as a point of interests guide.

I will be posting info on this over the weekend!! I have to dig in my notes and previous logs to see what's worthy of mentioning here... I pretty much silly-name systems and ELP's...but if I find a region I'll report!!

P.S. By the way Erimus, I passed one system explored by you around that area..pic 19 of this album I just made last weekend; https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142444

Cheers, any additional data would be much appreciated!

That's a great journal you have there! A wealth of info You won't find Erimus' name out amongst the stars much as about 90% of the data I surveyed was corrupted and erased thanks to a host of broken star systems and a nasty bunch of bugs over Christmas. Game support did their best but couldn't save all the exploration data I'd collected sadly. They gave me 6m credits compensation LOL. Those were the pitfalls of exploring a bugged early galaxy I guess.

So finding places the character Erimus has been is a rarity, nice find

If you find anything by Kamzel, that's me too, but most of his exploring was done on the other side of the galaxy.

 

[Murishani]

Really dry and cold in terms of planets and stars...

Oh yeah, I didn't mention it, but I don't think I saw a single color besides dwarf purple and rock brown the entire way. That area is a serious grind there is nothing out there. I did weirdly find one of those "litter box" rocky systems that had a massive type IV giant on the outer orbit though. You know its a bad area when a Type IV giant is the best thing you've seen in two days.

This made me think that ETA CARINA Nebula is actually bigger than just the cloud...as per Wikipedia, it should be kinda of a huge nebula with Eta Carinae being part of it....also NGC 3293 open cluster seemed to be part of the whole thing...though of this unfortunate stretch as a red sea made by the nebula....

I kind of felt the same way, as soon as I hit NGC 3293 and Eta Carinae, I felt like I was already there. There's a lot of stuff going on in that neighborhood, there's the open clusters, the nebula itself and several giants (the star kind). It's a nice area although almost entirely tagged already I think, and Im mostly here to plant my flag, though the screenshots are nice:

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[SvennoJ]

Awesome thread, great idea.
I'm ashamed to say I've been adrift for the past couple of weeks. (got sucked back into Minecraft by my kids and my redstone projects are getting out of hand again)
I can help you with the Scutum-Centaurus crossing, I managed to make it from EOWRAIRKS NC-D D12-0 [-1579, -18, 60146] to IORASP AQ-G D10-1 [-3209, -22, 65101]

The details are in my log, the crossing took 4 days, Day 36 to 39.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=132053&page=5

I'm still 63k ly from Sol, kinda burned out on the exploration part atm. Hopefully a new update will get me back in the game.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Cheers Svenno, data added

@ Murishani & Akira, I did my best to squeeze those entries onto the relevant map and label them. I don't think their positions on the map are 100% accurate due to the other pre-existing labels already on there, squeezing them in was a bit of a chore ... but I've added their descriptions with the accurate info you provided.

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

Cheers Svenno, data added

@ Murishani & Akira, I did my best to squeeze those entries onto the relevant map and label them. I don't think their positions on the map are 100% accurate due to the other pre-existing labels already on there, squeezing them in was a bit of a chore ... but I've added their descriptions with the accurate info you provided.

Brilliant, you have put the wregoe plane exactly where it is!!!!
the only thing is it doesn't go until seagull, it stops before, and my early assumption it was 4000 ly wide was too big, it' 1000 ly wide.

thank you very much for your work, I'm using your map a reference, and trying to stay way from badlands and so.
Great work Erimus!!!!

 

[Maia Posidana]

CMDR Erimus, I had hoped from your latest video that you're out ahead of me, further tailword down the arm. if you were, this would mean that there is in fact a crossing place further down the arm, and that I would be able to make my way back out to the rim and navigate down more of the arm for a more complete trip. Sadly I just looked at the actual location on your map and you are actually several thousand light years behind me. Such is fate. if you were in fact out ahead of me we may have been able to meet up.

 

[Murishani]

Cheers Svenno, data added

@ Murishani & Akira, I did my best to squeeze those entries onto the relevant map and label them. I don't think their positions on the map are 100% accurate due to the other pre-existing labels already on there, squeezing them in was a bit of a chore ... but I've added their descriptions with the accurate info you provided.

Looks good to me, perhaps a better solution as things fill up would be to move just to index numbers and a referencing entry in the thread?
My 2 cents says:
Label major navigational landmarks (nebulas, gaps, arms, or very distinct objects) in text on the image,
mark hazards with a red overlay and corresponding index number and entry in red, but do not use text on the image
mark other points of interest with a corresponding category color (blue for visual, green for tourism etc.) and index number but do not use text on the image.

That way when you're traveling to/through a sector, youll see the major navigational point clearly, if you see a red area you'll know to double check for hazards, and then as you go you can reference individual index numbers. It will keep the map clean and easy to use.

something like:
(this is not an actual map, please do not try to navigate using this map)

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Thus we can see that traveling from significant nebula 2 to significant nebula 3, we will first pass tourism POI 2, then pass into hazard zone 2 containing tourism POI 3, then on to our destination, significant nebula 3, which is in hazard zone 3, and very near visual POI 2. Easy and clean, only takes up the graphical real estate necessary and still be able to reference in the thread below.

 

[Maia Posidana]

As I feared, we are currently (or at least per your location as posted in your video) 13,537.8 LY apart

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Looks good to me, perhaps a better solution as things fill up would be to move just to index numbers and a referencing entry in the thread?
My 2 cents says:
Label major navigational landmarks (nebulas, gaps, arms, or very distinct objects) in text on the image,
mark hazards with a red overlay and corresponding index number and entry in red, but do not use text on the image
mark other points of interest with a corresponding category color (blue for visual, green for tourism etc.) and index number but do not use text on the image.

That way when you're traveling to/through a sector, youll see the major navigational point clearly, if you see a red area you'll know to double check for hazards, and then as you go you can reference individual index numbers. It will keep the map clean and easy to use.

something like:
(this is not an actual map, please do not try to navigate using this map)

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http://i62.tinypic.com/10gwv0l.jpg

Thus we can see that traveling from significant nebula 2 to significant nebula 3, we will first pass tourism POI 2, then pass into hazard zone 2 containing tourism POI 3, then on to our destination, significant nebula 3, which is in hazard zone 3, and very near visual POI 2. Easy and clean, only takes up the graphical real estate necessary and still be able to reference in the thread below.

I've already started indexing a few minor points of interest and labeling them as numbers on the map, anything significant though I try to keep as a text label. Another way to get everything on is to make a deeper scale map, which I think for our local region (MAP-01) is pretty much necessary now, so I'll put one together once I get more time. And your colour coded idea is excellent and something I'll try on the next draft of maps that are made.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

As I feared, we are currently (or at least per your location as posted in your video) 13,537.8 LY apart

I decided to cross the Rift much further 'west' along the Perseus arm than is actually needed, mainly because in the fictional video series story line, that's where the INRA convoy where heading to deilver the Mycoid virus to Thargoid colonies across the Rift. Plus because I was actually returning from a month out at Hyponia, which is 30,000 LYS along the Perseus arm, it was quicker for me to cross there than to come all the way back to the Heart & Soul Nebulae region to cross, so although we're both now in the same spiral arm, as you point out we're quite some distance apart.

I'm not sure when I'll be heading your way as I need to finish off the Formidine Rift video storyline, which is due to end very close to my current location.

 

[Maia Posidana]

I'm not sure when I'll be heading your way as I need to finish off the Formidine Rift video storyline, which is due to end very close to my current location.

S'ok. Im just reaching the rift myself. Having to cross back over to the Perseus arm in order to continue forward. Otherwise I would have had to travel down the whole length of the outer edge of the outer arm, then come back up almost the entire length of the INNER edge, just to find a way to cross and continue on. Saldy however, my attempt to cross back over is slowly forcing me further and further back in the direction of Heard and Soul, Im losing ground badly.

 

[Murishani]

And your colour coded idea is excellent and something I'll try on the next draft of maps that are made.

I figured you already had it under control but I'm glad I could help in some way.


Also Erimus and Maia, that sounds like rough country you two are in. I was heading down that way after going out on the spur but I think Ill save that for my next trip after your discussions. Ive got a paint job waiting for me back home and its making me want to turn the thing around already, think I might go crazy if I get stuck out in a gap knowing my paint is waiting.

If I see anything noteworthy down the Orion Spur, Ill let you know Erimus.

 

[Viking2010]

Apologies if this is the wrong place for this post, but I'm about to set out on my first exploration journey after having outfitted my Cobra for exploration. I was originally going to head in the direction of the Heart and Soul Nebulae, then travel along the spiral arm back in to the core then plot a course as direct as possible to Sol. But, it looks like that side of the galaxy has already had it's fair share of commanders pay a visit, so I'll focus my efforts on the "east side" of the map (Maps 1 to 5), given this seems to have the least number of POI's against it!!

Has any one ventured around the entire outer edge of the galaxy yet? Maybe that could be like a "Phileas Fogg, 80 days around the Galaxy" challenge! Of course the number of days might need to be tweaked!!

 

[Murishani]

Apologies if this is the wrong place for this post, but I'm about to set out on my first exploration journey after having outfitted my Cobra for exploration. I was originally going to head in the direction of the Heart and Soul Nebulae, then travel along the spiral arm back in to the core then plot a course as direct as possible to Sol. But, it looks like that side of the galaxy has already had it's fair share of commanders pay a visit, so I'll focus my efforts on the "east side" of the map (Maps 1 to 5), given this seems to have the least number of POI's against it!!

Has any one ventured around the entire outer edge of the galaxy yet? Maybe that could be like a "Phileas Fogg, 80 days around the Galaxy" challenge! Of course the number of days might need to be tweaked!!

I think this is as good a place as any!
A few points Ill make:
First, the circumnavigation of the galaxy, I believe has been done, but to my knowledge it has not been documented. So if you wanted to keep some kind of record or documentation of it, that would be quite cool.
Second, out to H&S and then to up the arm to the core and back, is quite a trip. I would advise that you do something shorter for your first exploration trip. You're talking weeks away from the bubble, you may want to work up to that to see if its even something you enjoy.
Lastly, no matter where the POI's on Eremus' map show up, there are undoubtedly more in every direction, whether 'east' 'west' or wherever, than are on the map. I would not limit your exploration based on the mapping project. The amount of exploration in an area is not accurately represented by Erimus' map because (sadly) not everyone exploring is participating in the mapping project.

Personally, I would advise heading towards cave nebula and NGC 7822, thats a decent little trip and it doesnt put you TOO far from the bubble to get back home if you get sick of it. Just my two cents though. With all the stars out there, you can pick almost any direction and just keep jumping, youll eventually hit unknown space.

 

[Erimus Kamzel]

Apologies if this is the wrong place for this post, but I'm about to set out on my first exploration journey after having outfitted my Cobra for exploration. I was originally going to head in the direction of the Heart and Soul Nebulae, then travel along the spiral arm back in to the core then plot a course as direct as possible to Sol. But, it looks like that side of the galaxy has already had it's fair share of commanders pay a visit, so I'll focus my efforts on the "east side" of the map (Maps 1 to 5), given this seems to have the least number of POI's against it!!

Has any one ventured around the entire outer edge of the galaxy yet? Maybe that could be like a "Phileas Fogg, 80 days around the Galaxy" challenge! Of course the number of days might need to be tweaked!!

Yes, nothing is currently known about the 4th quadrant. If you're planning to be away for a long time maybe explore the lower 4th quadrant, its not too far. Then with whatever money you make from that expedition upgrade to a long range Asp and head to the intermediate 4th quadrant, and beyond?

Those areas were going to be my next major mission goals once I've gathered more data on the Formidine Rift and upper part of the 1st quadrant regions.