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Please, again again!
Please, again again!
The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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Asp Explorer admitted to blocking people via IP when they interdicted him. That is even worse than combat logging.
You had better do some more research. I do no such thing, and never have except in Alpha as part of testing. I merely point things out.
I think you may want to put some real effort into finding that quote, and a network log that proves such activity took place.
But psychology proves you're a combat logger!
The theory/study != proof rebuttal is tired, and doesn't do you any favors. If we went around discrediting every scientific study just because there is no such thing as 100% confirmation you'd still be riding a donkey to work at the maize fields in the mornings.
I don't know Bacalao you seem to be able to put a sentence together and give a good argument as have a few others. I can read your point of view and understand it and I too have been cut by the sword that is guilds in the past
Some post a good argument here and there mixed with insults, usually the best posters because those people are passionate about there stance and sometimes get emotional and resort to the insults. But overall they provide good valid arguments to support their stance.
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So you're providing positive evidence for your position where exactly?
almost as mature as saying that if we dont like guikls we should play in solo.
(not saying that you said that, but it has been said in this thread)
Here. Exactly.
Almost 200 posts ago. This thread moves quickly so I'll forgive you for not noticing.
If you say so.
A good salesman would flog him a ford.
A smart salesman would have a box of Nissan badges in the back room.
This could be fun.
Ah but then people would scream fraud when they realized they hadn't researched their purchase properly.
A good salesman gives the customer as close to exactly what he wants for as much money as possible. At the same time leaving him thinking he's got a bargain.
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And that's why the wise salesman has a vacation bungalow in Mexico.
That's a long winded way of saying flog him a ford.
Last time I bought a car the salesman had an early Christmas
just walked in, said "I want that one" and out again about 15 minutes later maybe he was celebrating later in Salesmans Guild Chat - I don't care, spending as little time as possible in dealerships was worth every penny 
I would probably have described it differently to Asp, but he's right in terms of the messge he's conveying.
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Elite is a game developed with the intent of AVOIDING the toxic aspects of guilds. Well known stance for a LONG time. Game releases without guild content - by design. Doesn't mean such content won't come - Frontier even said they'd as much as continue to look at it - but for now, whether you people like it or not, guild content is NOT on the roadmap (at least as far as Frontier has indicated thus far).
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BUT we have people coming here, KNOWING the current Dev stance on guild content, choosing to ignore it in their quest to get Frontier to change their stance. Those of us who oppose it are simply reinforcing and supporting Frontier's design decision. A decision that some just don't disagree with (which is fine by the way). BUT instead of accepting Frontier's design and adapting their own gameplay to fit the game they've bought, or leaving to play something else, (again, KNOWING there is no guild content) they insist that their way is the only way and that everyone else (INCLUDING Frontier) is wrong to not want what they want, to the point of saying there's always solo mode if WE don't like it.
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I understand the frustration that Elite hasn't followed the path some want, but maybe it's time some accepted that maybe it's not the game they want if guild play is so central to how they want to play. For most of us the current design direction re guilds is fine because we didn't want guilds to begin with.
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The burden of proof is with those who want guilds, not those of us simply agreeing with and supporting Frontier's design choice. In my opinion, the polarising of opinions we see here, and resorting to stacking the poll as was done in this instance, just reinforces that Frontier were right to avoid guild content to begin with - ie guild content primarily does little more than create friction and conflict both in-game and out. That's despite the fact that there ARE positives to guilds, it's just that the negatives outweigh them for most of us.
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