I believe most players will contend that the BGS needs a lot of work. Heck, they change the PowerPlay rules every week. Forgive me for being skeptical of this particular strategy.
The New Guilds and Player Owned Stations Discussion Thread.
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I believe most players will contend that the BGS needs a lot of work. Heck, they change the PowerPlay rules every week. Forgive me for being skeptical of this particular strategy.
They only had to look on the forums - or reddit - to see the endless controversy over guilds and all the other stuff.
Unfortunate that people who can produce studies and evidence at the drop of a hat somehow failed to discover this vital piece of information pre-purchase.
It's just your opinion that the core gameplay is screwed up, I disagree the core games great the best thing on the market now and for about the last 5 years (and it improves all the time).
They are offering players the opportunity to support minor factions, active improvements without full guilds. They are listening to the whole player base not immediately kowtowing to one niche-group. By appealing to all players they maximize their potential player base.
Good, let the ad hominem flow... but I don't care, i have thick skin. I stood up to the bullies, in the secret clubhouse.
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And don't forget that people immediately started recruiting for guilds after the alpha started, on their own accord. 6 months before the alpha started people were asking for support for it on the forums.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6524
Research all your gaming purchases first, and preferably play the demo. That way you never find out you dislike a game after buying it.
That comment was about Eve Online, not Elite: Dangerous.
Reddit at a glance is nothing but people showing off their pretty screenshots, battlestations or complaining about getting ganked by pirates. Coming here to the forums, well you'd have to be specifically looking to find out that there is a guild controversy. Even the title of this thread suggests it's something that's already in game and looks like somewhere you'd go to read up on recruitment rather then a bitter, tired argument.
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Indeed - the poll didn't go too well for the proposal. Of course people have *assumed* that Frontier wouldchange their stance and got all excited about Guilds in the game - assumptions are dangerous though - and Frontier haven't yet changed their stance on player run large groups (in the two years since 6 months before the Alpha).
In the end there has been nothing to substantiate one side's opinion, and decades of historic evidence for the others'.
FD has built this game on the basis of what it's market wants. It asked it's customers, directly, what it wanted, and it has been following that path since, with notable success. There is no reason to believe FD have any financial trouble.
MMO, that phrase means many things to many people. It does not mean a game which includes guilds, just because that's part of the most popular recipe. FD has mentioned, and reiterated, a plan to integrate player groups with minor factions. Sidestepping the same old approach, and offering a different approach. This is the kind of thinking I have come to expect from FD.
Lets move towards discussing the new approach, and how it can succeed rather than treading over ground that does not seem to be in the cards.
A record-breaking games series which has run for the last 30 years would like to contradict that.
They didn't cater to the corps. If you don't know anything about Eve, please don't comment on it.
I don't think that word means what you think it means. How could you take personal offense (implied by your acussation of ad hominem) to a commentary about the general opinions of two groups and their validity? I have no qualm about replying in kind to a ridiculous assumption about a statement I made, or in the same attitude. Lets not mention that your entire reply here is a passive aggressive ad hominem statement (again not sure if you know what that really means...).
My statement stands, you want them, I don't, it's a tie. Well, except the devs don't too, so it isn't.
Well you know next time then to be a bit more careful.
It wasn't just in the forums it was in the dev videos as well - from the mouth of David Braben himself - you know, stuff you might look at as a potential buyer - especially if it means that much to you.
Have you really never heard of buyer beware? The idea that somebody selling something might exaggerate or omit stuff when they're trying to sell you something?
Seriously?
Maynard, it should be noted that your not talking to some amateur individuals here, we know the industry and we know business. Were not saying what were saying because we want guilds or at least not solely because of that. Were saying what we are saying because we want ED to succeed. As I said earlier which most of you seem to have ignored, I play almost exclusively in solo mode. Yea.. That's right.
But I understand the value of Guilds, and having them create content, such as Guild stations, and custom missions, crafted ships and weapons I might be able to barter for or whatever. Even in solo mode all of the content they create will be available for me. And hey I might even pop in to open at that point.
I play in solo mainly because I see no reason to play solo in an "Open" mode in an MMO..... When I have to play solo anyway. So.. I simply stay in SOLO mode. If I had a guild, with people I could interact with, have fun with and socialize with in game, and even our own base or area... Then at that point I'd probably stay in open, because at that point Open would be different then solo and offer something solo doesn't, "Real Continual Social interaction and Content".
Name one thing I can do in open, that I can't do in solo? Since everyone wants us to use 3rd party programs for guilds, the answer is Nothing. Wings? I don't need open for that we got Group mode so that doesn't count.
Griefing and Ganking... Ok.. Maybe this. But ganking people never really interested me.
Just saying
But I understand the value of Guilds, and having them create content, such as Guild stations, and custom missions, crafted ships and weapons I might be able to barter for or whatever. Even in solo mode all of the content they create will be available for me. And hey I might even pop in to open at that point.
I play in solo mainly because I see no reason to play solo in an "Open" mode in an MMO..... When I have to play solo anyway. So.. I simply stay in SOLO mode. If I had a guild, with people I could interact with, have fun with and socialize with in game, and even our own base or area... Then at that point I'd probably stay in open, because at that point Open would be different then solo and offer something solo doesn't, "Real Continual Social interaction and Content".
Name one thing I can do in open, that I can't do in solo? Since everyone wants us to use 3rd party programs for guilds, the answer is Nothing. Wings? I don't need open for that we got Group mode so that doesn't count.
Griefing and Ganking... Ok.. Maybe this. But ganking people never really interested me.
Just saying
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No it wouldn't. And it shows in the numbers. And how FD is making moves that it never would have considered before to try and bring it's popularity up, like CQC.
A series that has never been an mmo before.
If you think FDEV hadn't already had CQC planned out except in panic over the last couple of months, you're being quite naive.
It asked a small handful of customers behind a steep paywall, and then sold it's product to the general public. There is going to be a bit of a discrepancy there.
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