I've undersood what you've been ranting about for the last few hours, yes. Several people have tried to explain, in different ways, just how you are misunderstanding this. You are still misunderstanding the whole concept of wing missions, but I no longer care.
The New Smeaton (if you have friends to wing with) not quite as good but still a good exploit ??
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I've undersood what you've been ranting about for the last few hours, yes. Several people have tried to explain, in different ways, just how you are misunderstanding this. You are still misunderstanding the whole concept of wing missions, but I no longer care.
Thanks but I think you get what I was on about and this wasn't it
Several people have offered opinions, sure but we all know the propensity of those.
Sorry if maths is too hard for you to understand. I get the wing thing, FDev want coop play, maybe they need to tweek the mechanics and rewards so as not to allow a potential exploit and also to not alienate players who don't necessarily want to coop thrust down their throat.
Apparently the mission giver wants the stuff hauled as fast as possible and thus pays the same amount to every wing member because the more people are involved the faster it's done. There, explanation.
It's done by the same people who do Community Goals.
If one person (somehow) does the entire CG solo - there have been a few smaller ones which could get to at least the Tier 1 payout on this basis, so this isn't completely theoretical! - then they get one "top 10" payout.
If ten thousand people do the same CG but just haul/shoot one thing each, then between them they get
- 10 "top 10" payouts
- 990 "top 10%" payouts
- 1500 "top 25% payouts"
- 2500 "top 50% payouts"
- 2500 "top 75% payouts"
- 2500 "top 100% payouts"
This is much more payout for the same work.
(Technically if everyone hauled exactly 1 tonne then they'd actually pay out 10000 top-10 payouts, of course)
The logic is presumably "it's a multiplayer game so we should reward people for doing multiplayer things".
Wing missions can be done solo. Like *many* other aspects of the game they can also be done faster (and therefore more profitably) as a team - community goals, mining, exploration, combat (now, anyway), guardian ruins, thargoid hunting, etc.
No, we have all got the same time limit. No other mission type automatically pays more the faster it's done
Smeaton, reward mechanism faulty, unintentional consequences.
Wing reward mechanism, working as intended.
Devs put a lot of time into this, I'm sure they are well aware of how it's working.
Actual payouts, yes, probably will get rebalanced at some point.
The other point.
One ship completes mission, mission giver pays x credits.
Four ships complete mission, mission giver now pays out x credits times 4. I get it. Seems nonsensical.
But doesn't bother me, as the gameplay works. Applies to combat and bounty rewards pre wing missions just the same, everyone gets same money, mission giver gets fleeced.
Wing reward mechanism, working as intended.
Devs put a lot of time into this, I'm sure they are well aware of how it's working.
Actual payouts, yes, probably will get rebalanced at some point.
The other point.
One ship completes mission, mission giver pays x credits.
Four ships complete mission, mission giver now pays out x credits times 4. I get it. Seems nonsensical.
But doesn't bother me, as the gameplay works. Applies to combat and bounty rewards pre wing missions just the same, everyone gets same money, mission giver gets fleeced.
Yeah but that's not how it works on wing missions.
If you got a payout based on completion rate as per CG than that would be no problem, however as it stands no matter the size of haul needed as long as you do 1 tonne out of the total(1-10,000,000,000 or whatever it is on the mission) and the others in your wing complete it, you get a full whack share of the mission. Therefore the wing missions allow a potential for a 1 tonne delivery to pay millions.
Seriously that cannot be how Fdev intended.
But thats the thing,3 missions in the same time frame is not possible. Have you actually done any missions in a wing?
sorry you lost me somewhere.
solo guy gets to haul 10000tonne on his own
3 man wing does same 10000 tonne between them, that is they do it 3 times faster.
they each get the same money as the solo guy who takes 3 times longer to complete it.
therefore they have more opportunity to earn more money
I know right, it's almost as if the wing missions were designed to be done... y'know, in a wing.
You have to find the missions that have a similar or better reward and we all know how the RNG works on the boards. You may need to go back to the depot system to get the 2nd and 3rd missions.
You would have to be able to have zero downtime between the missions for it to be like for like.
And at the end of my 3 wing missions,i get the exact same pay as you would doing your one mission....
You would have to be able to have zero downtime between the missions for it to be like for like.
And at the end of my 3 wing missions,i get the exact same pay as you would doing your one mission....
sure but they also said they can be done solo, so why penalise the solo player for exactly the same task. If they don't want solo doing them, block them and stop filling the boards with wing missions.
Solo people can do them just fine. It's just going to take longer. Basic maths.
Not sure at all what the problem is here.
Sorry I think you misunderstood me. Solo players can take wing missions, that's what I am on about, not pure solo mission against wing missions.
Basic maths eh !
Wing Mission:
Vendor wants 1000 gold taken from A-B pays 10,000 for the job.
Wing of 4 takes it, completes job in 50 minutes, vendor pays 40,000
Solo guy takes it( because he can) completes job in 50 minutes, vendor pays only 10,000
No basic maths needed to know this isn't an equal calculation. vendor is clearly thick as two short planks if he allows a wing to do his job.
That would be fine is the vendor was a real-life person in the real world, with real world economies of scale to consider.
But this is a video game. It is what it is. Wing missions are clearly designed to appeal to those who want to do missions in a group, as has been asked for for a long long time.
It's good that one can take a wing mission solo, it becomes your own little personal CG. But with accepting a solo wing mission, you accept the design of the mission may hamper the perceived remuneration levels.
So really what you want is to make taking a wing mission as a solo player just as profitable as taking the same mission as a wing?
Thats just.....missing the point. You want to penalise wings by splitting the reward so you as a solo player are not penalised by taking wing missions?
CMDR Hellakitty;6464899 But with accepting a solo wing mission said:
That's on you then. The system is perfectly fine as is.