The Old Elite IV speculation thread

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Firstly I would like to say, I've been a fan for many, many years. Both BBC and Spectrum have been my haunts for this game. Im not as learned as some of the other fans here but I have played computer games....OH! I have played. My field lies as a Broadcast producer and cameraperson.
fozza said:
Imagine a universe where current corporations have dedecated space stations. You dock and see the latest Elite styled adverts from the likes of Intel or Microsoft or Pepsi. Adverts that advertise modern products but in a futuristic way e.g Pepsi Galaxy - The latest cola for zero G drinking!
or Cobra MK VIII Intel Inside!

The revenue goes back to Frontier in order to fund the servers.

Imagine flying to a station owned by MTV where you dock and watch a live gig by an aspiring new band. The feed being fed live from the real world.

Imagine talking voice over IP ship to ship in the same system with a picture of the caller appearing on your dashboard comunication screen.

Imagine customisable ships which you would pay real world cash to shipyards for special cosmetic upgrades and liverys. Buy a custom ship off eBay?

Having a apartment which you can walkaround either on planet or at a space station. Buying items to decorate it (a bit Sims esk ). Earning lots of cash from trading buy a bigger pad or have multiple homes. Imagine a virtual real estate market.
Fozza

Essentially, I was completely in favour of this idea. In retrospect, as much as this might pay for the server I feel it could limit the game.

What if people held a crusade on Mcdonalds and wanted to blow up the station (which we all want to do at some point). Could we do it? Is it impossible?

Im afraid, if you let so much money enter a game like this you also let the aspect of the companies dictating what happens. Look at most racing games, they have 'real' cars and most games do not allow for those cars to be damaged.

Maybe the odd impervious bill board, or a bill board you blow up that, instanteously after destruction, ships are sent out to repair.

As for making it a MMOPRG, there are many factors which could deny or allow either.

As mentioned before...naming planets......could be a dangerous thing to do considering whether the game is going to be playing over servers. What if a player is there first but connection problems mean that a second player elects a name first? talk abotu all scale warfare?

Also, how do you make it fair for people who have just started in game as opposed to those seasoned players? I know there are many unreasonable gamers who like to excercise their force during game time in 'clans' and such that involved cheats and hacks which are unfair. Its a very difficult thing to judge.

There is alot to figure out. As much as I would love it to be a server univserse, I could just imagine....

As much as I would like to see this as a one player extravanza I would like to see it multiplayer as well.

The comments about leaving your shuttle are certainly something which I would be all for. Oxygen, Food supplies etc...all sound good but these are just small modifications of which can be brought on board at a later stage.
As Mr Braben showed us in the past, it is often the simplest of algorythms that have proven the most addictive games, so maybe simplicity is also best.

Lastly, people have made comments about 'fan base'. I wish to try to answer those by saying that 'this is Mr Braben' we are talking about, a man who has proved his talent in so many ways in the past. I, or I should say we believe in what you have done in the past and what you are about to do and we share this greatness being with you from the start and to the end. There were critics of Frontier but fans stood by you because we could see what you were doing. This wasnt a blind zealot allegiance, these were older generation people who understood the implications of the game you were creating. Your fan base now is in its 30's, people with much more expendable income. I believe the older fans will buy out of respect and younger ones out of the legend which has given birth to countless imitators of the original, yet still none have beaten.

Having played Conqueror and Zarch, I have full faith in whatever you decide Mr Braben. Please keep your fan base well informed...and remember who wants to be a tester for you *wink wink*
 
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Elite 4

Greetings All,

my tribute to Elite:
I've played the first Elite on the C64 and I've played tons of games meantime.
Of course I didn't miss any of the Elite's later.

ELITE IS STILL MY NUMBER ONE GAME ON THE VERY TOP OF MY TOP-TEN !



- I bought almost all Frontier Games only to support the development of Elite4
- I always checked frontier.co.uk to catch Infos .. without real success ..untill now
- I recently realized the new WEB-design but haven't seen the Forum

I'm really glad about this thread ... its a kind of heart-beat of Elite4 to me :)


looking forward to the remake of a legend which always dominated my dreams regarding Games ..

Last commend, I've played :

EVE online
Edge of Chaos
HARDWAR
X1,X2,X3
PARKAN
Battlecruiser

...and non of them replaced my Elite ..

its a special feeling to post here, thanks a lot and greetings from Switzerland
<<<1stBiker
 
12 Planets to delay E4?

Hey, those of you keeping up with the news, it looks probable that we'll be adding three more planets to our solar system. So I was just thinking it would stink if that means delaying E4 another 3-5 years because they have to redesign the Sol system. :eek:
 
Spyderboyy said:
Hey, those of you keeping up with the news, it looks probable that we'll be adding three more planets to our solar system. So I was just thinking it would stink if that means delaying E4 another 3-5 years because they have to redesign the Sol system. :eek:

More than likely, because the legal implications would take at least that long to sort out ;)
 
Didn't they have Ceres in Frontier?

It should be interesting to see how the Kuiper belt gets modelled anyway. Also, there's also that freaky UB313 that is way off the orbital plane.
 
Think they were ahead of their time in that regrad (adding Ceres etc). Just to add to the list og things Dave and Co were ahead of their time in doing!
 
If space is similar to what it was in Frontier, I think the solar system should be modelled with *all* data that is available about it today, regardless if they are "official" names or not. Heh, maybe E4 can influence the naming of a real planet in the future? :)

Not only in terms of real planets, but also the moon list should be heavily updated in E4.

Other systems could also have tons of bodies, some at horrible distances though of course. Some would naturally have small amounts of planets, but usually plenty. There could also be undiscovered planets in which will cause the system data to be updated. Maybe through the internet?

Maybe the big revelation within E4 could be that we have travelled with hypergates for so many years and built super telescopes outside the orbit of pluto etc, that space is infact not separated into systems at all, it's a fluid mass of bodies and dark matter that holds it all together.

(There is a mission possibility: transport ship/escort service to a telescope construction site close to the "end" of a system. Do enough of these and eventually it will result in the discovery about the structure of the universe)
 
Too true 1stbiker. Nothing will replace that level or interactivity or entertainment on such a small machine as Elite did. The future will be bright with Elite within our grasp.
 
In the spirit of the 'Rock Hermits' there could be communities of miners or other reclusives living amongst stable regions of the Oort cloud and Kuiper belt. Then there's the contentious issue of 'galactic halos', & perhaps more extensive use of sub-stellar dwarfs... considering 90%+ of the universe's mass is still unaccounted for. These are "contentious" because some theories say the missing matter is sub-atomic, while others say it could be macroscopic, ie rocks, dust and sub-stellar inter-galactic wanderers.

This comes round to something I've been wandering about - the Frontier galaxy is a bit of an illusion; there's really only one star system, and when you hyperspace it is re-rendered to match the 'target' system, but you haven't actually 'travelled' there - it's the same star map around you, wherever you 'go'. I'd like to see something more like Celestia or Noctis, where you can literally choose a star in the sky and fly to it. This links to the former point because there could be all sorts of funky stuff out there in deep space, inter-stellar planets, asteroids, comets, and of course sub-stellar dwarfs and "dark matter" halos. In FE2/FFE though you can never actually leave the heliosphere - if you get too close to the 'edge', the system/ship does a spontaneous 180 degree rotation and you're suddenly travelling back towards the centre.
 
Well, thats a lot more promising. :D Anyone know if they're planning to just release it on PC...cos I rarely use my PC to play games these days. Usually use my PS2 (except for Civ, which hasn't been transferred over yet:( )
 
Remember Sunflower with Anno 1503 ??

Hi Folks,

It’s hard to say a release date, you don’t know exactly by yourself...
Sometimes it’s better to say nothing, before you got under pressure by yourself.

Remember Sunflower with Anno 1503 !
That was a warning for all developers...
And we know that Elite FFE wasn’t really finished at its release.

And believe me... I don't want such a disaster again.
Elite IV is a Game title you cannot really want to sabotage, like Ubisoft destroy the Rainbow Series with its last Part "Lockdown"....

I think a good thing, will take it’s time...

Greetz
 
The financial reality is that they will have to release it for the consoles, and more importantly won't release it until the next gen console market has matured to gain maximum sales, so I would not expect to see Elite IV (on a console) until 2008 / 2009.
 
What not should happen ...

Hi Folks,

Anyone knows Operation Flashpoint...or Elder Scrolls Morrowind and Oblivion ?
Ok...
These are very good Games...but...
They are a bit of Open Source... and that could become a big Problem...
Month after release of the Games, everyday comes out new Mods and addons
from the fan-community...
But that isn’t good for the game at all, because the players didn’t play the game anymore...they are testing the new mods and lose the overview...

If Elite IV goes Multiplayer someday... that isn’t possible, because there is no base left to build a MP game on it...

The only way to realise a bit of Open Source is... to make it possible to edit some kind of stand alone Mods witch are strictly bordered from the game itself and use it’s information only...

If I sell a game...I am not interested in giving my source code to the community...sorry, because my game isn’t my game anymore and I really don’t want to see some kind of Jumpgatemod for Elite IV, who destroy all my ideas and the history of the game...

Sorry for that terrible English :(

Greetz
 
An updated faq, a single screenshot, a magazine interview would all do it for me.

I absolutely appreciate the need not to discuss release dates because it should come when its ready; but any kind of update would set the online community (including many that won't have discovered this forum) buzzing about the project again.
 
Mods are optional.

I played Op Flashpoint AND Oblivion, in fact I still do. I haven't added any 3rd party mods to any of them, and would only consider doing so for things which I would consider an improvement - and only after i'd read enough accounts from users who said it worked.

You dont have to modify games, just because the option is there.
 
Hello,

I have also been visiting this site every month for as long as I can remember looking for updates on Elite 4.

So I would like to add my 2pence worth to this debate.

I to played the Original Elite on my C64, and then I too also played Frontier Elite II for months and months on end. Why?

Well I have been trying to put my finger on why these games had such appeal to me and I think the true answer is they are non-linear. To many games today point you down a road and tell you how to get from A to B. Even the likes of XBTF, X2, X3 and even the recently released DarkStar One.

Yes these games had merit I mean the X series allowed you to break from the story and do your own thing but you were still held within the boundaries of the developers minds and universe and what a small universe it was compared to Frontier’s. This in my opinion is where Frontier Elite II shone above all games I have played since.

The sheer freedom of being able to fly and do what you please, the sheer size of the universe you played in was so immense no one would be able to visit every planet in their life time. This means that all those people out there who played Elite II probably played it completely differently and visited completely different planets in a completely unique order.

Also the fact you could fly from space, through the atmosphere of a planet and land on the surface now correct me if I am wrong but I don't think there is a game that has been released since Frontier that you can actually do that with?

Now looking at some of the technologies Frontier have been developing for their other games excites me to think that Elite 4 could be coming soon and could possibly be the most unique playing experience anyone has ever experienced.

Landing on planets surfaces with the detail of graphics we have today would be amazing, having people walking around on the planets would be mind blowing, having the size and scale of the original Frontier would be a jaw dropping achievement..

Fingers crossed David that you and the guys at Frontier can pull this off.

I and in fact (WE) Joe Public have been waiting for the next Elite for some time now.
 
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