Thank you. Perfect.
I'm truly perplexed why PVP instance venues aren't a game construct within a PVE server offering. It's a solution offered by so many other mmo's. Seems like low-hanging fruit.
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Thank you. Perfect.
I'm truly perplexed why PVP instance venues aren't a game construct within a PVE server offering. It's a solution offered by so many other mmo's. Seems like low-hanging fruit.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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You know what I mean. Semantics are strong.
Thats all you guys do around here.
BUT BUT BUT HES RIGHT. Better argue over something petty.
Rather than something ridiculous?
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
And once again, you can not be effected of the actions of open. SO dont complain.
If you dont like pvp, Just enjoy THE SAFETY OF A PRIVATE GROUP WITH RULES that say you cant be shot.
IN Open play its perfectly fine. Not optimal but fine. Just the way the BGS IS NOT OPTIMAL from the other side of the fence.
Your opinion. My opinion.
But one thing thats a fact. Is you are protected to begin with. And if you dont like it. Dont click the big boy button.
That's some tough pixel talk there cowboy. How about talking about the subject, and not me?
You sure that's not the 'little boy' button?
Who measures their manhood by a game? Kids.
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Its not a flipping big boy button. You keep playing the "holier than thou card " totally oblivious to the fact you are being rude and condescending. As for not being affected by your suggestions..... Correct me if I am wrong but we're you not saying only open should affect the bgs earlier? How would that not affect me?. Again if I have you mistaken with another I apologise all these buff open , cripple pg&solo posts tent to blend in. I agree with one or 2 of your points on engineers but that is not an open or solo issue and what you posted has been covered ... Many times
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Haha. Exactly my point. Its why I put that line there. Ya'll focus on the small. And disregard everything else. Arguing for the sake of it. In the other threads I really didnt say things like that.
Just like this thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...s-wanting-The-reason-Open-sucks-for-everybody
People argued over the point I used "everybody". To dismiss the case. However it is true. Traders Explorers even other PVPers are effected by what I said in that thread. And its one of the main reasons someone like Mobius left. Mobius didnt exclusively play in a private group. He's pvpd before. Lots of other guys used to.
My point is ya'll turn these threads into petty semantic arguments and pick out what you dont like instead of working together.
And change always happens in a video game, You all will have to come to terms with this sooner or later. Balancing happens in every game. Its going to effect me and you.
Metas change, gameplay changes and stories change. Its all part of a games growth. Its not going to stay the same. And there will be balances to both sides. BGS and the PVP part.
They want pvp to be a part of this game more than it is now. So get ready. The next few patches up INTO 3.0 will be prepping for that with the "core changes".
I found it incredibly amusing when, during some discussion for a meaningful PvP mechanic for PowerPlay, I mentioned my idea should be Open only, to prevent it being gamed.
It didn't take long for people to start complaining it should be available to all modes. That's right. A PvP mechanic. In Solo. Perfect. Lol
I did change the idea in the end (found a more suitable solution), but it proves a point. Lol
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
It didn't take long for people to start complaining it should be available to all modes. That's right. A PvP mechanic. In Solo. Perfect. Lol
I did change the idea in the end (found a more suitable solution), but it proves a point. Lol
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
But is PP meant to be a PvP only mechanic? (Sorry not seen your suggestion)
So you never suggested solo and PG should have reduced effect on bgs?
because SUBSCRIPTION MODEL. and people don't want to pay over and over per month for a game they already bought. I left Wow because subscription and my wages dont cover so much anymore and toxic community. if elite goes subscription, i will have to reconsider playing it at all.
It was someone else's suggestion. They'd come up with a way to allow PvP and PvE to influence PowerPlay together, but didn't think of a way for the PvP portion to duke it out without it being exploited. It's a bit too complicated to post the whole thing here. I'll see if I can find it.
Edit: Half baked suggestion Powerplay PvPvE. My original idea is post 2. Then I updated in page 2. But I kinda lost track of the original idea. Lol
My (old) idea was to compliment his suggestion with a 'king of the hill' style zone where PvPers can drop in and duke it out to control each zone within a system. So I said it should be Open only, to prevent private groups simply filling up on side and sitting there, effecting the balance of power, without actually doing anything.
Like I said earlier, I replaced that idea with a PG friendly one, that's actually better in many more ways.
(Still not solo friendly though, because PvP+solo... Lol)
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
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i disagree with the last part. the problem with open is the forced pvp element. that is why people go to solo and pg. if braben wanted pvp more part of the game all they do is remove solo and pg and you got it. well you got the players who dont quit at that point anyway. so they would have already done that if they WANT more pvp. the issue with open is too many MISTAKE it for mp pvp mode and braben said open was intended as PVE mode with OCCASIONAL player pvp interaction. what its turned into is call of duty mp in space - often between wildy mismatched pvp engineered big ships against pve commanders whose ship is built for other purposes than pvp ganking.
the game is supposed to have more than pvp in it. thats why there are other ranks than combat rank. thats why mining lasers and limpets exist. thats why universal cartographics exists and why systems start out unexplored. open has been turned into pvp mess because people cant break out of their preconceptions from other online games. they dont say 'we lost the bgs because we didnt PLAY it' they say 'we got undermined because everyone on other side was in solo/pg SO LETS CHANGE THE BGS so those modes cant affect it.'
thats fundamental mistake on their understanding of open mode and what its supposed to be, the bgs and how to play it (i.e. not shooting players on other side to prevent undermining). they also ignore the fact that THEY WILL NEVER BE INSTANCED WITH EVERY ENEMY PLAYER. so no matter if every player on the other side worked in open, if they all got destroyed the ones instanced with them the undermine will succed because of the NON instanced ones playing the BGS and the complainers DIDNT.
Absolute. Its a little like Poker, you can't be certain, but you want to know.
Robert Maynard
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Semantics are rather important when attempting to interpret meaning given that semantics is the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning....
Robert Maynard
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All players affect the BGS - so players in Open affect players in the other two modes - by design. Most of the complaints regarding all players affecting the BGS / Powerplay / CGs seem to come from players that prefer to play in Open though.
simply put, the open gankers whine and suggest limiting or banning solo and pg because they drove people to those groups by their actions so the supply of victims dried up. If i get destroyed so often i have to sell my ships or just lose them because no rebuy left and wind up in the start winder - and i have no solo mode to avoid all that rubbish - then I WILL FIND SOME OTHER GAME. that means no money from season 3 for FD to add more shiny toys the open pvpers dont care about. if you want to complain about the complainers then address those complaining that open is empty - the PVP crowd. dont suggest it is those of us in other modes. when some pvper comes out with the 'lets top bgs being affected except in open' or 'CG should only be for open' or 'close down solo so they cant hide (which is at least more honest of them) some of us will point out how stupid their arguments are and the REAL reason they are wanting it.
and no, I will not come out of solo, to set a trend against one player ganker; and wind up stuck in basic sidewinders as cannon fodder for all the others. trends may be fine, to determine punishment for pvp players who attack those not interested (and who are set up as miners or unarmed explorers with no cargo capacity and not pvp) but that doesnt help when you run out of rebuy.
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... I believe that's entirely because some CMDRs want to prevent BGS manipulation using force, rather than countering it with their own BGS manipulation.
Which I do actually understand. And in a round about way, can go against the "play your own way" mindset (or whatever you call it), if a 'direct PvP' centric faction want to defend their faction from another, they have to do it using PvE, if the other faction isn't in open.
But then, a PvE only faction shouldn't have to engage in direct PvP to expand or defend either.
Or something.
I don't really know what I'm on about. Lol
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed. In a game where direct PvP is optional, by design.
Indeed - however players that prefer direct PvP are reliant on the choices of other players and cannot dictate terms of engagement.
Indeed.
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