Modes The Open v Solo v Groups thread IV - Hotel California

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

The removal of Private Groups seems rather capricious - given that they have existed in the published design information from the outset, as has Solo, as have (potential) multiple Open groups (modes).

Better just to add the obviously lacking Open-PvE mode. It would take a bit of managing though - which, I'd expect, is why it has not happened.



Whether the BGS, the panmodal nature of PowerPlay, CGs and Factions, constitutes a problem or a feature is rather a matter of opinion.



Indeed.

Yep.

But back to the thread and why it exists in the first place. This is why I say its inevitable.

Its not like I know something you all dont. Im just speaking from experience. This will be touched on a bit sooner or later. Its only a matter of time. And thats all ive been trying to say.

People dont want change though. And those are the dudes speaking up. Just like I am speaking up. Their opinion matters too. And I dont discredit it.

But 4 threads and 2 years is a long damn time for this topic to be going on. So im interested to see what they have up their sleeve. Like I said, Sandros certainly entertained the Idea.

And I think Sandro is doing the best he can. There is just other stuff that holds priority. And which is why Core gameplay changes are coming in all aspects between 2.4 and 3.0.

its going to be exciting. Thats for sure.

 

[Mohrgan]

This thread exists because those that play in open feel that everyone else should too. Sound familiar? They bought the game not understanding it's design and intentions, and then attempt to convince everyone it has to be changed. When ever a new evangelical PvP'er gets the bug, there is a flare up. This outburst is yours. Your ardor will fade, and you'll go back to playing your game. But, soon enough someone new will take up the baton and have another run at one of the foundations of the game. No one has had much luck during the 3 plus years I've been opposing them. I don't see much changing on this front.

I just sit here waiting for someone to say: "Next!"

 

[Robert Maynard]

But 4 threads and 2 years is a long damn time for this topic to be going on. So im interested to see what they have up their sleeve. Like I said, Sandros certainly entertained the Idea.

It's certainly not only the fourth thread - nor has it only been going on for two years - many, many threads preceded the first of the threadnaughts and the modes debate has been going on for well over four and a half years (i.e. since the first backers realised that their preferred play-style be able to be avoided by their potential targets not playing in the same mode as them). Sandro has entertained the idea, yes. Whether it is ever implemented remains to be seen. The fact that Frontier have not changed this core aspect of the game over that time might be telling.

And I think Sandro is doing the best he can. There is just other stuff that holds priority. And which is why Core gameplay changes are coming in all aspects between 2.4 and 3.0.

Sandro, and his team, have a list - with priorities, indeed. We'll hear about some of the changes coming post 2.4 at FX'17 - I'm very much looking forward to that.

its going to be exciting. Thats for sure.

Indeed.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

It's certainly not only the fourth thread - nor has it only been going on for two years - many, many threads preceded the first of the threadnaughts and the modes debate has been going on for well over four and a half years (i.e. since the first backers realised that their preferred play-style be able to be avoided by their potential targets not playing in the same mode as them). Sandro has entertained the idea, yes. Whether it is ever implemented remains to be seen. The fact that Frontier have not changed this core aspect of the game over that time might be telling.



Sandro, and his team, have a list - with priorities, indeed. We'll hear about some of the changes coming post 2.4 at FX'17 - I'm very much looking forward to that.



Indeed.

"The fact that Frontier have not changed this core aspect of the game over that time might be telling."

Abandoning their roadmap/seasons style has something to do with this. Did you see what it took to balance and fix heat cannons and g1/g5 rolls It was reported for over a year before they finally did something. And it had to be taken public before it was changed.

They were basically horses with blinders on. Pumping out an agenda. Im glad they abandoned that style of development. But it was need to lay the ground work. Now the REAL EXCITING stuff is going to happen.



Once again, just speaking from experience. But all signs point to change. Whether or not im right remains to be seen.

So i've bet my Save File. If there arent some changes to this stuff in one way or another and how we effect each other through these systems at or in 3.0 or before. Ill delete it. I stream the game all the time anyways. Ill do it and post it here if I am wrong. And Ill hold true to my word.

Thats how confident I am in the balancing. Because like I said, as with any game that continues to grow. It grows around the people playing it. And again. These threads dont exist just because.

 

[jasonbarron]

"The fact that Frontier have not changed this core aspect of the game over that time might be telling."

Abandoning their roadmap/seasons style has something to do with this. Did you see what it took to balance and fix heat cannons and g1/g5 rolls It was reported for over a year before they finally did something. And it had to be taken public before it was changed.

They were basically horses with blinders on. Pumping out an agenda. Im glad they abandoned that style of development. But it was need to lay the ground work. Now the REAL EXCITING stuff is going to happen.



Once again, just speaking from experience. But all signs point to change. Whether or not im right remains to be seen.

So i've bet my Save File. If there arent some changes to this stuff in one way or another and how we effect each other through these systems at or in 3.0. Ill delete it. I stream the game all the time anyways. Ill do it and post it here if I am wrong. And Ill hold true to my word.

Thats how confident I am in the balancing. Because like I said, as with any game that continues to grow. It grows around the people playing it. And again. These threads dont exist just because.

You're optimism is inspiring to me. I have barely played the game in several months, the root cause being a weary sense of cynicism over Sandro's capabilities/design philosophy, as well as Fdev's seeming to have put the game out to pasture pre-maturely. Reading between the lines with all of your posts I find my interest kindling again. Even if it doesn't pan out the way you predict, it's still nice to feel optimistic for a change.

 

[Robert Maynard]

"The fact that Frontier have not changed this core aspect of the game over that time might be telling."

Abandoning their roadmap/seasons style has something to do with this.

.... or maybe they've just reassessed the relative merits of a seasonal multi-part DLC and the alternatives to that.

Once again, just speaking from experience. But all signs point to change. Whether or not im right remains to be seen.

So i've bet my Save File. If there arent some changes to this stuff in one way or another and how we effect each other through these systems at or in 3.0. Ill delete it. I stream the game all the time anyways. Ill do it and post it here if I am wrong. And Ill hold true to my word.

Thats how confident I am in the balancing. Because like I said, as with any game that continues to grow. It grows around the people playing it. And again. These threads dont exist just because.

We'll see, in time - what timescale did you put on the wager, out of interest?

 

[Mohrgan]

You're optimism is inspiring to me. I have barely played the game in several months, the root cause being a weary sense of cynicism over Sandro's capabilities/design philosophy, as well as Fdev's seeming to have put the game out to pasture pre-maturely. Reading between the lines with all of your posts I find my interest kindling again. Even if it doesn't pan out the way you predict, it's still nice to feel optimistic for a change.

You cut me to the quick! What about my optimism that people can just learn to let people play as they want, and to do the same? Et Tu JasonBarron?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

.... or maybe they've just reassessed the relative merits of a seasonal multi-part DLC and the alternatives to that.



We'll see, in time - what timescale did you put on the wager, out of interest?

Its going to rely on Frontier and the patches. Thats why I stated between now and 3.0. The core changes.

Also there is a certain "BGS terrorist" Throwing fuel to this fire in colonia as we speak. Dmg has already been done.

 

[Asp Explorer]

You cut me to the quick! What about my optimism that people can just learn to let people play as they want, and to do the same? Et Tu JasonBarron?

If you're not in the pew-pew-crew you're not playing Elite properly and are an insignificant mote that ought to go hide in your preferred game mode of choice

 

[jasonbarron]

You cut me to the quick! What about my optimism that people can just learn to let people play as they want, and to do the same? Et Tu JasonBarron?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anybody. It's not just 90's optimistic approach to Open which you and he share, but rather his predictions & optimism concerning the future balancing of the game itself on a fundamental level. Like I said, I've grown quite pessimistic concerning the development of late. Plus, I'll admit that I haven't read everyone's posts 100% through on this thread.

 

[Mohrgan]

If you're not in the pew-pew-crew you're not playing Elite properly and are an insignificant mote that ought to go hide in your preferred game mode of choice

And, hide I do. It must be my lack of manliness.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Its going to rely on Frontier and the patches. Thats why I stated between now and 3.0. The core changes.

Indeed it is. It'll be interesting to see what those core changes entail.

.... and whether those changes are as fundamental as some desire.

Also there is a certain "BGS terrorist" Throwing fuel to this fire in colonia as we speak. Dmg has already been done.

Someone playing the BGS in Colonia? "Terrorist" seems a bit strong. I wonder what his motivation is?

 

[Mohrgan]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anybody. It's not just 90's optimistic approach to Open which you and he share, but rather his predictions & optimism concerning the future balancing of the game itself on a fundamental level. Like I said, I've grown quite pessimistic concerning the development of late. Plus, I'll admit that I haven't read everyone's posts 100% through on this thread.

Slacker.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You're optimism is inspiring to me. I have barely played the game in several months, the root cause being a weary sense of cynicism over Sandro's capabilities/design philosophy, as well as Fdev's seeming to have put the game out to pasture pre-maturely. Reading between the lines with all of your posts I find my interest kindling again. Even if it doesn't pan out the way you predict, it's still nice to feel optimistic for a change.

Thanks Jason, I've always been a glass is half full type of guy. There is nothing wrong with game balance. And there is a lot of reading between the lines with Fdev. Since they arent as transparent as this,

[video=youtube;Yq2i6RDmbNc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2i6RDmbNc[/video]

Now, They have told us exciting stuff is coming. But its nothing compared to the in depth analysis League of Legends gives. But its a good video for the context and how transparency should work while communicating with your player base.

Something I hope Fdev starts to talk about a bit more. Leaving the Aliens out are cool though. I like that idea. I like surprises. I just dont like how they hold back the Core stuff. However, new style of development coming. So things could change.

This is their baby too. And they all see our points of view. And they also see what it could be.

Just gotta get on this roller coaster. And try not to book a radiologist appointment trying to voice your opinion or hashout what we'd like to see.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

"Thats how confident I am in the balancing. Because like I said, as with any game that continues to grow. It grows around the people playing it." This statement from 90's at least appears true; Fd realise the vast majority are PVE focused and are currently introducing a system to limit consequence free ganking. [heart]

 

[Mohrgan]

"Thats how confident I am in the balancing. Because like I said, as with any game that continues to grow. It grows around the people playing it." This statement from 90's at least appears true; Fd realise the vast majority are PVE focused and are currently introducing a system to limit consequence free ganking. [heart]

I think you see, what I see in this situation. I decided not to taunt him like that due to his exuberance. Sometime it's better if the lesson comes from an authority figure.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Indeed it is. It'll be interesting to see what those core changes entail.

.... and whether those changes are as fundamental as some desire.



Someone playing the BGS in Colonia? "Terrorist" seems a bit strong. I wonder what his motivation is?

Welp, ill give you a quick run down.

He attacked and UA bombed SDC because of what they did to Salome. (they could care less).

He got false information that my player group was the one that repaired their 2-3 months worth of work in days due to meta alloys being dropped. Can confirm nothing like that happened. Im a flight leader in said group. And id tell you if we did it. You'll see why in a few.

So he goes on twitch, saying hes waging a war against Privateers Alliance and SDC. And he starts bad mouthing everyone, like personal attacks you know. I says hey, you have 8 billion in the bank. I understand you're at war with us. I enjoy the conflicts lets have a 1v1. We have plenty of people in our player group that participate in the BGS. So its whatever.

This goes on and on.

Then one day I was streaming squad. A total different game. And And I watched his vods, he was hitting servers and leaving them at the same time I was playing. He finally joined the server I was on. And joined my squad. I heard his voice, finally, and my chat said he was there for a while, I just didnt notice. We cross paths and I see him staring straight at me So I popped him in the head. Like he was aiming at me. I wasnt going to not take this chance.

And told him HE COULDNT ESCAPE GAMES! NOT TODAY!. Thus the MEME was born.

So hes pretty mad.

What hes doing in colonia is attacking our BGS trying to push us out. And waging wars between all other factions sending them into war with us. Spending 12-14 hours a day for the past 3 months. But hes using a method thats not normal. All of colonia is battling against him. We have a truce with each other out there, mobius, CCN EIC FUELRATS. We all help each other. But hes doing some things to manipulate it to get bounties off Privateers Alliance cops. And unlimited supply of bounties. And the only way to keep up is to use his methods and go to war with everyone. Really clever.

But hes made enemies with Almost all the player groups now. No one wants him to join. He has no system to retaliate against. Hes just there to cause trouble. Fdev know about it.

But if he really wants to know who repaired SDC's station with Meta alloy. It was the people that support SDC, random friends of theirs that look up to them or dont mind helping out. Thats all it was.

But he also proved the imbalances of not being able to defend yourself properly in a TIME VS TIME battle.

Is he winning? I guess if he wants to see it that way.

But hes winning in something no one cares about. Just the dudes in colonia trying to keep peace and help each other grow. Hes not only effecting my player group. But everyone out there.

Hes basically ran a SDC : OP on himself. And showed the imbalances of the BGS

GG dude. GG.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I think you see, what I see in this situation. I decided not to taunt him like that due to his exuberance. Sometime it's better if the lesson comes from an authority figure.

Lets not dicount the people that enjoyed PVP before engineers were introduced. Such as the guy that created the biggest PVE 3rd party private group himself. Mobius.

 

[Mohrgan]

Lets not dicount the people that enjoyed PVP before engineers were introduced. Such as the guy that created the biggest PVE 3rd party private group himself. Mobius.

Yeah, I see Mobius calling for the removal of Engineers, and locking Solo/PG out of the BGS all of the time. We're doomed...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yeah, I see Mobius calling for the removal of Engineers, and locking Solo/PG out of the BGS all of the time. We're doomed...

Never said that. He never said that.

He just said the imbalances of engineers ruined open play. That is all.