It definitionally fits into game balance. There's no subjectivity. If something is unbalanced, and it's changed or removed, that's done as part of game balance.
The Open v Solo v Groups thread
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Robert Maynard
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Which rather depends on what the game is to be balanced around. Noting that all players bought a game where all players affect the mode shared game features and where other players, and therefore PvP, are entirely optional.
Robert Maynard
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The only thing that some players may have in common is that they play the same game. Their desires for changes to the game may be diametrically opposed.
No way! I couldn't tell lmao
Robert Maynard
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I know, right! It's astonishing.
If that was true it would be better to decouple the modules from PP entirely. No going through the motions, just a tech broker like any other.
I hashed that out with Rubbernuke earlier in this thread IIRC, Rebel Yell was adamant that module shoppers are not an issue.
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Modules being decoupled is fine with me, especially now with the addition of power specific perks you get for ranking up.
Some aren't, most are in my experience (10 years of playing in open).
Maybe PVP players don't just get it. But my experience of it is sort of: Fly somewhere in Open, see hollow triangle, get interdicted. If low wake get serial interdiction. If I high wake, well I still need to get to destination, and there is good probability of getting to same instance. Get interdicted again. Most likely by SAME commander. Rinse and repeat. That other commander simply does not get it that I'm NOT interested about "content" provided by him, and I'm not interested to provide him content of exploding ship. Should be pretty evident from my behauviour, not deploying weapons, hitting boost&jump rather immediately. But of course that serial interdiction is MUST. It stops when log out to menu and change mode, or add him to blocklist.
And ALWAYS no comms attack. Never had been pirated or so. Once I had small bounty, so with some good faith I could say I was a legit target. Though other side used more credits for his ammo than my bounty was worth.
And ALWAYS no comms attack. Never had been pirated or so. Once I had small bounty, so with some good faith I could say I was a legit target. Though other side used more credits for his ammo than my bounty was worth.
Yes, because I say so.
And thank you for showing exactly why people don't like PvP atmosphere and arrogance, why don't like anything to do with irritants.
In Solo / Group, one is free from these kind of contacts and interactions.
Please keep this in mind: no one is scared, but irritated and annoyed. That's why people choose Solo / Group.
There's no one to fight UNLESS you go to somewhere like Deciat or Sol or Shin or a CG... That's the entire problem, if you want PvP you are forced to go somewhere like that because the game has no real method of pointing opponents at eachother that will get you a reliable amount of PvP in a reasonable timeframe. Powerplay should facilitate this, but it doesn't.
Degree of inclusivity has major balance implications, irrespective of what the game is supposedly balanced around. Other people and the manner in which they may, or must, be encountered is going to be the overriding factor in the difficulty of all kinds of interactions, direct and abstract, in most any multiplayer game.
Player activity is the only activity as far as the BGS or PP is concerned. Without CMDR influence, those things either don't move, or settle into a static baseline state. Difficulty is all about who is engaging with those mechanisms and the specifics of the obstacles faced change heavily if one can instance with one's opponents.
Due to engagement ranges and other factors, gameplay isn't suited to passive defenders.
Proactive defense works just fine. Even bad pilots can get in fast ships with interdictors, tie up an entire wing each, and escape every single time (though before Engineers there was at least some risk, if one got complacent).
The problem is that there is little to incentivize the use of escorts, no matter how effective escorting is. A merchant can almost always get through with competent support, but it's usually more advantageous, for any goal beyond combat for it's own sake, to just bring more merchants, even if some of them get popped some of the time.
Who is they?
Despite the experience being severely degraded from it's peak, I can still find plenty of people in Open, if I go looking for them. Usually can't find much reason to fight them though. That's what's missing; incentives and rationales that should logically be there, but aren't. Random gank attempts and duels might be enough for some, but for me even self-defense has become tiresome due to the lack of urgency and inevitability of escape in virtually all encounters, not to mention the negligible consequences of failure. I mean, it's still more engaging that CQC, but it could be so much better.
Why do you play in open if I may ask? Sounds totally pointless.
Sometimes for that rare co-operation. And one can always hope for say a pirate action
But no-comms non-provoked attack is just stuff I do not tolerate. And deal with it accordingly. And if muppet does not understand from first time, to block he goes.
Well us on the PVE side organise large scale events off into the black with no issue, what's the problem with the PvP community?
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No issue? Sorry you're joking right? Plenty of issues with instancing and getting people together. And, If it's entirely dependent on us to create it, then as the comment you replied to said:
Like I've always said, they're the only ones who think they shouldn't have to organise their multi-player activity themselves. Why they think so is a mystery to me.
Robert Maynard
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.... or they tag along on an organised PvE event with the intent of having fun at the expense of the PvE players.
When some of them then complained that their published kill leader board was then used as a proto-block list was quite ironic.
Yes, that was very funny.
Unfortunately I expect we'll soon be hearing about "Distant Ganks 3".