The Open v Solo v Groups thread

So no chance of a Dr Livingstone moment I presume?

I have always explored in open, mainly so friends can see where I am & I can see where they are on the galaxy map. I play in 4k so the higher res screenshots don't offer anything for me.

I've been trying to think whether I've ever met a random stranger out in the black & honestly I don't think I ever have :( Hooked up with friends, having arranged to meet somewhere if our paths seem to be able to cross & chatted a lot, again with Cmdrs I already knew but no random encounters yet.
 
Been with a team mate in open gathering materials for him yesterday and today. In a quiet place, but that only reduces the chances of getting attacked.

Steve
 
I have always explored in open, mainly so friends can see where I am & I can see where they are on the galaxy map. I play in 4k so the higher res screenshots don't offer anything for me.

I've been trying to think whether I've ever met a random stranger out in the black & honestly I don't think I ever have :( Hooked up with friends, having arranged to meet somewhere if our paths seem to be able to cross & chatted a lot, again with Cmdrs I already knew but no random encounters yet.
I have encountered randos at least twice, though perhaps not that far out from the Bubble, only about 1-1.5kly.
 
I've been trying to think whether I've ever met a random stranger out in the black & honestly I don't think I ever have :( Hooked up with friends, having arranged to meet somewhere if our paths seem to be able to cross & chatted a lot, again with Cmdrs I already knew but no random encounters yet.
Happened exactly once for me, during DW2 a couple years back. Completely un-interesting system, somewhere between waypoint 2 and 3 I think.

Being along the general route, I suppose it wasn’t so unlikely, but I was far from prepared for it. You just don’t expect to see hollow that far out, ever, unless you’re at a point of interest.

The next person I met ended up being someone I knew above that next waypoint. Because of the people I normally associate with, we immediately tried to kill each other lol.

My Anaconda is normally pretty tough, and still plenty sturdy, even when stripped down some for range, but I didn’t come out on top of that fight at all. Waked out, came back about 20km from the meeting point to repair and (you can’t type letter B and S next to each other here?)a little in local chat. Afterwards I ended up limping my Anaconda all the way to Colonia for plant repairs, before giving up on DW2 and taking my own route.

Having been to Beagle before, I turned back before I got there, and put my name on some rare star types I hadn’t discovered yet. Despite the total burnout/hate for exploration, I had a pretty good time overall, with those two encounters being among the highlights.
 
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Happened exactly once for me, during DW2 a couple years back. Completely un-interesting system, somewhere between waypoint 2 and 3 I think.

Being along the general route, I suppose it wasn’t so unlikely, but I was far from prepared for it. You just don’t expect to see hollow that far out, ever, unless you’re at a point of interest.

The next person I met ended up being someone I knew above that next waypoint. Because of the people I normally associate with, we immediately tried to kill each other lol.

My Anaconda is normally pretty tough, and still plenty sturdy, even when stripped down some for range, but I didn’t come out on top of that fight at all. Waked out, came back about 20km from the meeting point to repair and (you can’t type letter B and S next to each other here?)a little in local chat. Afterwards I ended up limping my Anaconda all the way to Colonia for plant repairs, before giving up on DW2 and taking my own route.

Having been to Beagle before, I turned back before I got there, and put my name on some rare star types I hadn’t discovered yet. Despite the total burnout/hate for exploration, I had a pretty good time overall, with those two encounters being among the highlights.

Sounds like you had an adventure ;) A lot of the gameplay in ED, exploration in particular can be pretty dull. It's nice to be able to relax & chill but for me those are rarely the memorable times. The memorable stuff it when something unexpected happened. And in Open, more stuff can happen. Not necessarily positive, rare but memorable.

I can appreciate it's not for everyone though and what you describe would probably be too much for a lot of players. One of the downsides of the DW2/DG2 event for me personally was that many of my friends went on it (I didn't), initially in Open but eventually switched to private groups & I lost touch with that section of the community & I guess they felt there was no incentive to return to exploring in Open when most of their friends were in Fleetconn (or whichever private group). Shame really, but understandable.
 
Sounds like you had an adventure ;) A lot of the gameplay in ED, exploration in particular can be pretty dull. It's nice to be able to relax & chill but for me those are rarely the memorable times. The memorable stuff it when something unexpected happened. And in Open, more stuff can happen. Not necessarily positive, rare but memorable.

I can appreciate it's not for everyone though and what you describe would probably be too much for a lot of players. One of the downsides of the DW2/DG2 event for me personally was that many of my friends went on it (I didn't), initially in Open but eventually switched to private groups & I lost touch with that section of the community & I guess they felt there was no incentive to return to exploring in Open when most of their friends were in Fleetconn (or whichever private group). Shame really, but understandable.
I've not done exploring in depth but I remember the delight in finding a cmdrs carrier who I recognised as one of my first in game friends when I was out at the resource grinding planets. Similarly at the guardian site when I was stuck trying to figure it out a friend turned up and helped me out ( they were someone I'd met who had the same ship months b4 and wed gof chatting). Definitely something I like about open.
 
And the point is it shall be split or group/solo might use open galaxy, but without lets say 'write access', so bgs/pp impact could only be done in open. Just one of options.
If you could run missions without affecting BGS some juicy exploits would be available.

But Merry Christmas everyone!
 
How was it? I guess from the context that you don't normally play in Open?
No open play normally except when playing with this team mate. We have run into other players in settlements. And I have as well when I was on my own. Always sent a friendly message. Except the one time another CMDR decided to attack and kill me whilst I was on a mission at a settlement. Dominator v my Maverick did not end well for me.

Steve
 

Robert Maynard

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And the point is it shall be split or group/solo might use open galaxy, but without lets say 'write access', so bgs/pp impact could only be done in open. Just one of options.
"Shall" only from the perspective of those players who don't accept that they bought a game where the play-style they want to be able to force every player to be subjected to to affect the galaxy is an optional extra.

In "divorce" cases, the party initiating the divorce does not get to dictate the terms of the settlement....
 
"Shall" only from the perspective of those players who don't accept that they bought a game where the play-style they want to be able to force every player to be subjected to to affect the galaxy is an optional extra.

In "divorce" cases, the party initiating the divorce does not get to dictate the terms of the settlement....
Nope, its from perspective from players who want better and more logic experience, looking both from end-customer and development side. Since the beginning - the phillars of game - three modes are main game issue. You simply cant build a house on sand, you need a solid foundation. Elite unfortunately is a house built on sand.

Game is as is, there is topic about groups, i shared my opinion, and i will or any possible occasion, i am staying here and dont thinking about go out. You don't need to agree, i completely don't care about it :) My opinion will not change, its same from 8 years.
 
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Robert Maynard

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Nope, its from perspective from players who want better and more logic experience, looking both from end-customer and development side. Since the beginning - the phillars of game - three modes are main game issue. You simply cant build a house on sand, you need a solid foundation. Elite unfortunately is a house built on sand.
Players who paid the same for the game as other players - and who are not entitled to take gameplay away from players who don't share their preference for an optional play-style.
Game is as is, there is topic about groups, i shared my opinion, you dont need to agree, i completely don't care about it :) My opinion will not change, its same from 6 years.
Indeed, the game is as it is, in terms of the three game modes sharing the galaxy state as it was announced over ten years ago - and no-one needs to support proposals to PvP-gate existing pan-modal game content (some obviously do, some obviously don't).
 
Nope, its from perspective from players who want better and more logic experience, looking both from end-customer and development side. Since the beginning - the phillars of game - three modes are main game issue. You simply cant build a house on sand, you need a solid foundation. Elite unfortunately is a house built on sand.

Game is as is, there is topic about groups, i shared my opinion, and i will or any possible occasion, i am staying here and dont thinking about go out. You don't need to agree, i completely don't care about it :) My opinion will not change, its same from 8 years.
I do not see how having three modes that can each affect the galaxy, is a house built on sand.

All I see is is a portion of the player base who believe that playing in open entitles them to be the sole influencers in the galaxy, to the exclusion of everyone else who does not play in open.

It has been expressed elsewhere that players take the BGS too seriously, and as they know the levers to affect it, take more ownership than might be healthy. Every activity is often looked at through lens of BGS/PP, rather that it being a background thing. A CMDR doing a peaceful activity that influences the BGS in a way you do not like? EX TER MIN ATE!

Steve
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
All I see is is a portion of the player base who believe that playing in open entitles them to be the sole influencers in the galaxy, to the exclusion of everyone else who does not play in open.
Some of whom claim that it's the players who accept the game for what it is, with respect to the optionality of PvP and that all players experience and affect the mode shared galaxy, who are the entitled ones - you know, those players playing the game as bought rather than demanding it be changed to disenfranchise players who don't enjoy PvP (in a game where PvP is optional)
 
Players who paid the same for the game as other players - and who are not entitled to take gameplay away from players who don't share their preference for an optional play-style.

Indeed, the game is as it is, in terms of the three game modes sharing the galaxy state as it was announced over ten years ago - and no-one needs to support proposals to PvP-gate existing pan-modal game content (some obviously do, some obviously don't).
Thats why modes and bgs should be split. Playes in solo/group shall not influe the Open bgs.

At now they can do bgs griefing on any group players and other group can only stop that by grinding what is forcing them to change their playstyle. Thats not freedom, thats harrasing.
The influence of core game parts like bgs should be possible by all gamestyle tools like grinding pve or stopping others by pvp interation. Open mode allows all of this, but group/solo causes pvp defend actions pointless.

Dont enjoy pvp then don't pvp, its simple. You have 400 bln systems to play, "Pure PvP" community is around 50 persons located in single planet, both hemispheres, where only around half of them may be active because other one are sleeping.
But not everyone is pure PvP, as onyone else are not only PvE players. There is also a group of people who have mixed playstile, playing PvE, sometimes PvP, and treating any other living player in same way as NPC. Sometimes by saying hello and sometimes by shooting.

At now the game allows to ruin gaming experience of people who like something more than grind in shadow because they cant influe galaxy on mixed way because others can force them to do things that they do not want.
In open mode you still can grind pve, but someone may stop you by pvp. YOu dont like that - ok - pick other RES or whatever. The group/solo moded are causing any bgs based action game or even any CG the grind vs grind.

Its matter of understanding what Elite is. Its not PvP or PvE game, its PvU game, Player versus Universe where youre actions influing everyone and everyone could influe you.
Choosing the solo/group is causing you can influe everyone but others cant touch you. Its not equal and against heatlhy playstyle.

As i wrote, it will never change, i even do not care of this at this point, but lets say it how it is. Game is supporting bgs gankers - thats my observation after 8 years of playing :)

A CMDR doing a peaceful activity that influences the BGS in a way you do not like? EX TER MIN ATE!

Peaceful experience in BGS - sounds like positive discrimination or other Orwelli'sh talk. Okay - someone is ruining in shadow, someone else bgs experience, by shooting starships, killing NPCs and thats someone could call 'peaceful' :D Its the edges of hypocricy. However, i think the answer for this post will bring it to another level :D


Guys, go and play your favorite game, grind another milions of NPC, enjoy this huge influence in BGS. Have fun, really :D Take care, i am out for xmas dinner. Probably we never see in space. High five.
 
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Thats why modes and bgs should be split. Playes in solo/group shall not influe the Open bgs.

At now they can do bgs griefing on any group players and other group can only stop that by grinding what is forcing them to change their playstyle. Thats not freedom, thats harrasing.
The influence of core game parts like bgs should be possible by all gamestyle tools like grinding pve or stopping others by pvp interation. Open mode allows all of this, but group/solo causes pvp defend actions pointless.

Dont enjoy pvp then don't pvp, its simple. You have 400 bln systems to play, "Pure PvP" community is around 50 persons located in single planet, both hemispheres, where only around half of them may be active because other one are sleeping.
But not everyone is pure PvP, as onyone else are not only PvE players. There is also a group of people who have mixed playstile, playing PvE, sometimes PvP, and treating any other living player in same way as NPC. Sometimes by saying hello and sometimes by shooting.

At now the game allows to ruin gaming experience of people who like something more than grind in shadow because they cant influe galaxy on mixed way because others can force them to do things that they do not want.
In open mode you still can grind pve, but someone may stop you by pvp. YOu dont like that - ok - pick other RES or whatever. The group/solo moded are causing any bgs based action game or even any CG the grind vs grind.

Its matter of understanding what Elite is. Its not PvP or PvE game, its PvU game, Player versus Universe where youre actions influing everyone and everyone could influe you.
Choosing the solo/group is causing you can influe everyone but others cant touch you. Its not equal and against heatlhy playstyle.

As i wrote, it will never change, i even do not care of this at this point, but lets say it how it is. Game is supporting bgs gankers - thats my observation after 8 years of playing :)



Peaceful experience in BGS - sounds like positive discrimination or other Orwelli'sh talk. Okay - someone is ruining in shadow, someone else bgs experience, by shooting starships, killing NPCs and thats someone could call 'peaceful' :D Its the edges of hypocricy. However, i think the answer for this post will bring it to another level :D


Guys, go and play your favorite game, grind another milions of NPC, enjoy this huge influence in BGS. Have fun, really :D Take care, i am out for xmas dinner. Probably we never see in space. High five.
This again?

If someone is doing something to the BGS you don't like, trying to explode them PvP is utterly pointless. PvP victories don't have a beneficial effect for "your" faction. Tbe only way to beat them is to do more "inf" than them and it doesn't matter what mode you or they do missions in.

This isn't a flaw. It's the design of the BGS; what it's for. Like I said before, if you could do missions and trade without affecting BGS, you'd have some juicy exploits available. ATM if you start milking anything profitable it will gradually dry up.
 
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