The Open v Solo v Groups thread

[SergMx]

If the question is what an Open-PvE mode would be useful for, I think the recent ShinDes CG is a prime example. AX pilots could wing-up in Open with no griefer obstruction. As it was, we had to use Block to control instancing, excluding gankers from AX instances one-by-one. Open-PvE would be a brilliant AX experience.

And there's the problem. Everyone knows this; it would be a no-brainer for all the AX activity to move from Open to Open-PvE. All the juicy targets with weaponry useless for fending off gank attacks would be gone from Open.

Okay, I'm gonna keep it simple.
I took the forbidden mission because I want to be a pirate. I flew in, killed someone, and I'm a wanted man. Another person meets me and sees that I'm a pirate but can't do anything to me, my weapons don't work against me.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Okay, I'm gonna keep it simple.
I took the forbidden mission because I want to be a pirate. I flew in, killed someone, and I'm a wanted man. Another person meets me and sees that I'm a pirate but can't do anything to me, my weapons don't work against me.

It is simple but of no relevance to an Open-PvE mode - as players don't / should not / must not shoot at other players - so a bounty hunter hoping to cash in on player bounties ought not to be playing in it.

 

[SergMx]

It is simple but of no relevance to an Open-PvE mode - as players don't / should not / must not shoot at other players - so a bounty hunter hoping to cash in on player bounties ought not to be playing in it.

That's what I'm writing about, you see a criminal, look away and pretend you didn't see him.
(I wonder if pilots in Mobius do the same?)

 

[Darrack]

(I wonder if pilots in Mobius do the same?)

Yes we do, there is no PvP in Mobius

O7

 

[Robert Maynard]

That's what I'm writing about, you see a criminal, look away and pretend you didn't see him.
(I wonder if pilots in Mobius do the same?)

If someone engages in PvP in Mobius then they'll be booted from the Private Group - which will now session kick them if they are playing in the Private Group at the time they are booted.

 

[SergMx]

If someone engages in PvP in Mobius then they'll be booted from the Private Group - which will now session kick them if they are playing in the Private Group at the time they are booted.

I get it, a picture like that would be interesting. Some person got into the CZ, took a side and started playing. Then another person appeared in the same CZ and would take a different side

 

[Robert Maynard]

I get it, a picture like that would be interesting. Some person got into the CZ, took a side and started playing. Then another person appeared in the same CZ and would take a different side

PvP used to be permitted in the Mobius Private Group, in CZs only, for a short time at the beginning - until it was found that some players would manufacture PvP opportunities by deliberately choosing the opposing side to a player already in a CZ - so PvP was banned completely from the Private Group at that point.

 

[angusmadmac1]

Yeah that was banned about 7 years ago and the option was one jump out ( normally the newest one ) or fight in the cz but no engagement.
The majority jumped out as we weren't stupid and understood that accidents could happen.

 

[SergMx]

PvP used to be permitted in the Mobius Private Group, in CZs only, for a short time at the beginning - until it was found that some players would manufacture PvP opportunities by deliberately choosing the opposing side to a player already in a CZ - so PvP was banned completely from the Private Group at that point.

I can't figure out how THIS works. Is it completely forbidden to take missions on CZ in the group?

 

[angusmadmac1]

No you can't PvP, there is no missions in game that point to PvP. Jump to another CZ and kill the other side.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I can't figure out how THIS works. Is it completely forbidden to take missions on CZ in the group?

It is completely forbidden to engage other players in PvP in the Mobius Private Group, regardless of what is happening in the game.

 

[SergMx]

No you can't PvP, there is no missions in game that point to PvP. Jump to another CZ and kill the other side.

I haven't done many missions like this, but I've sometimes thought there was only one such zone in the system ...

Flying into such an area and seeing that there is already someone in the opposite side, I will have to abandon the mission.
Or add that player to the blacklist and reload ..... Hmm.

 

[Brrokk]

I can't figure out how THIS works. Is it completely forbidden to take missions on CZ in the group?

It's not complicated: in Mobius it's forbidden to target another player and pull the trigger. That's it. Missions, CZs, etc. are irrelevant and can't be used as excuses.

As said, fighting in CZs used to be allowed but this gave admins the impossible task of figuring out who was telling the truth about their motivations for picking their side. There were suspected instances of players hanging around a CZ, waiting for someone to pick a side, and then deliberately picking the other side.

 

[Rebel Yell]

Before some one reports the posts above... I'd suggest to use https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forums/elite-dangerous-groups-squadrons-factions/ for explain what Mobius is.

 

[Jockey79]

I understand YOU and have always been in favor of open PvE, but if you look deeper it's not quite the right hike. After all, it would have to remove from the game defeat another ship with their weapons and it's kind of breaks everything.

Actually, I wasn't bothered about an Open PvE when I started playing. I was quite happy with the mode system.
It was only when certain people started banging on about removing or nerfing Solo and PG, I decided to counterpoint with adding Open PvE.

After playing in the Mobius group for a while, I've seen the drawbacks and tend to play in my mates' PG or Solo unless I want to test a combat aspect of a ship, then I'll play Open. So while an Open PvE mode would be popular and used, to the detriment of the Open PvP mode. Frontier would have to make some other changes to the game to support it.

One thing Open PvE wouldn't do is break the game. The game already tracks who you shoot, so telling it to not allow you to fire when targeting a human is possible. Or even just have it set to 0 damage, so you're just wasting your ammo. Either way works and the game can already do it.

 

[Jockey79]

Before some one reports the posts above... I'd suggest to use https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forums/elite-dangerous-groups-squadrons-factions/ for explain what Mobius is.

Here is a better link

Elite: Dangerous PvE - Mobius - Index page

 

[angusmadmac1]

I haven't done many missions like this, but I've sometimes thought there was only one such zone in the system ...

Flying into such an area and seeing that there is already someone in the opposite side, I will have to abandon the mission.
Or add that player to the blacklist and reload ..... Hmm.

No you can get multiple Combat zones in one system.
High
Med
Low
You don't accept CZ missions you turn up at one choose a side kill the "bad guys" leave the CZ hand in combat bonds and rearm and return.
Or you can go solo or even if you want to risk it open ?

 

[Darrack]

I will have to abandon the mission

Just switch to Solo while you do it, not an issue

O7

 

[SergMx]

Just switch to Solo while you do it, not an issue

O7

Yeah, I get that, but single mode is a different mode.
I just wanted to show that just banning shooting can't cover everything, at the very least, you'd have to remove the CZ missions from the game.
Or in the case of PP, players in this case must be in the same Force, etc.
Based on this I think a normal open PvE mode will be difficult to make.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I just wanted to show that just banning shooting can't cover everything, at the very least, you'd have to remove the CZ missions from the game.

There'd be no reason to remove anything from the game - it would be up to each player to decide whether they could cope with the limitations on their ability to shoot at anything that moves that choosing to play in an Open-PvE game mode would represent and up to each player to use their common sense when selecting activities.

There would also be no guarantee whatsoever of meeting a player who selected the opposing side in any CZ. If a player did meet an opposing player in a CZ in Open-PvE mode and couldn't cope with that then simplest solution would be "don't take those missions while playing in Open-PvE mode" or even simpler "don't play in Open-PvE mode".

Or in the case of PP, players in this case must be in the same Force, etc.
Based on this I think a normal open PvE mode will be difficult to make.

Same with Powerplay. An Open-PvE game mode would be functionally very similar to one of the many PvE Private Groups, i.e. "don't engage in PvP, whatever you are doing in game". If players find that limitation difficult to understand or abide by then they'd very probably be better off playing in Open(-PvP) mode.