We're talking about categories the game fits in. The game is also an fps, if you don't engage with the on foot gameplay, it doesn't change the fact it's also an fps. If you're only an fps player and you never fly into space, it doesn't the fact the game is also a space sim.
The Open v Solo v Groups thread
- Thread starter Ozric
- Start date
Exactly. So, as I said, if you play powerplay and do pvp, you do both pvp and pve. Logically. Speaking for others has nothing to do with it.
The PvP challenge players moved to Puppis something when San Tu fell out of Anarchy. You can see the system in Gankers.Org distinguished by the FDL vs FDL match ups compared with the other invariable systems mentioned.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The claim was that none of the Powerplay community would be disenfranchised if Frontier chose to woo PvPers. A bold claim. With no proof.
No, the claim was that pve and PVP players aren't mutually exclusive.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Then it's a PvE game, for many of its players - as no player needs to play among other players while affecting pan modal game features.
I see you prefer to deal in absolutes, and it answers my question if nuances are lost on you. Which is fine.
I'm going to leave it here with a firm "no it isn't".
It's a pve game, a PVP game, a space trucking sim, a space exploration game, a space politics game, a fps, etc etc. Its all of them
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
All players engage in PvE. Only a subset of players engage in PvP.
You're the one being absolutist what lmao
And therefore they aren't mutually exclusive. Yes Robert, very good. That is in agreement with my point. Thank you for taking stating it back to me
All high traffic systems become gank hotspots... the game is not sharded by skill levels so what are pvpers supposed to do?
Whenever we ask for mechanics to encourage fair pvp you guys all tend to shoot it down.
I know I keep beating the drum but the solution to all these problems is in my sig.... open only powerplay, while it would be fun for people like me, isnt actually necessary. Good design from FDEV can easily solve this debate forever.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The point was somewhat obfuscated by the insistence regarding PvP.
Maybe better to refer to those who don't engage in PvP at all, than those who do both.
So, it was shadows that sent me to the rebuy screen? Right-oh.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Most often because it involves penalising players who don't engage in PvP by reducing their effects on mode shared game features, or by introducing a PvP gated feature that would be dominant in its effects on one or more game features.
I think there might be a slight difference between "I want to do PvP" and "I want to do PvP PP". For the former, I think it's not too unreasonable to expect PvPers to jump through the same or similar hoops as other player groups have to, seeing that there's probably not going to be any change in match making and getting players together "organically" any time soon.
For the latter I agree it might be a tad more difficult.
Just speaking for myself, but I try not to shoot down reasonable suggestions. I am averse to PvP gating PP though, which is one of the more common suggestions, bordering demands, made here.
I have signatures turned of, so I'm just seeing this now after visiting your profile, sorry. I've only glanced over it for now (I don't have the capacity to read it in full right now, much less the whole thread), but I actually agree with the premise, if I understood it correctly. PvP missions would be a great addition. I am unsure how they could be implemented without being DOA because either it turns out too few players are actually into PP PvP, or because if instancing, blocking and the like. And because of the possible pitfalls I fear it will never be enough for those hardcore "PP is PvP hurr durr" types.
listenn to my other ship is a cobra . You know not a dev one of the guys who had the idea of elite
But I'm done as my favourite comedy sci fi show
" You can lead a hearse to water but you can't make it sink "
Last edited:
Having to invest specific effort to organize something is pretty much the opposite of organic gameplay. The only thing that should be, and only thing that generally is, required for PvP is to be where other CMDRs are.
I'm also not sure who has to go out of their way to find any basic kind of gameplay the game supports, aside from those elements that were deliberately cordoned off or bolted on and never fully integrated (PP, CQC, and AX combat, for example).
Not in any community other than the 'exclusive Pv(whatever)' community.
There are probably about as many people who absolutely refuse any kind of direct PvP encounter as there are those who categorically refuse to mine.
Replace 'PvP' with essentially anything and the statement is just as true.
For doing PvE stuff on your own, you don't have to do anything. Doing stuff together with other CMDRs - that's not happening unless you make an effort. in an ideal world, nobody should have to, but in the real world of ED, if I want to do anything really together with other CMDRs, be it building a station, raiding a settlement, exploring together, doing AX in general, hunting Orthruses, fighting AX CZs together or raiding spire sites in particular (good old times), I have to make an effort outside the game if I don't want to rely on sheer luck and probabilities that are probably set against me. It not what it should be, but it is what we got. "Organic" at this point is a fantasy for everything else; I don't see why it should be treated differently for PvP. It should be different for any gameplay style, but I am not holding my breath for that.