The Open v Solo v Groups thread
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Does not remove nice little problem, either you have long slugfest with losing side going away in the end anyways, or need some either unwanting or gullible enough noob as target.
Didn't we already move on from X at around page Y of this long thread?
Everything that could have been discussed has already been discussed. No new points have probably been raised in over 100 pages.
This thread's only purpose is to keep absorbing every new open only debate and to kickstart the same discussions over and over again.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Ok good, as I said I have switched from thinking that 'open only powerplay is the only solution' to 'powerplay pvp missions would work better (and provide a workable solution to longstanding problems like blocking and combat logging)'.
However it seems many of the usual status quo advocates here either didn't understand what I was suggesting properly or are simply just against ALL PvP improvements/solutions to the game, even when they have zero downside or affect on PvE players gameplay in any way. Typical sentiment being 'no-one wants that, they just want victims'.
I can assure you all that many Powerplayer's do indeed want a way for the PvP side of the game to come with less friction, wasted time and be less down to the pure chance of seeing an opponent where the map tells them that there may be enemy activity. PvP missions are the only reliable way to achieve this.
Some question: How would your PVP missions actually work?
Lets say I'm hauling some Powerplay stuff around in Open. Game does not know what destination I'm going to take unless I take some mission myself. Considering what flight times are, and how often mission board is updated it takes quite bit of luck for you to find out relevant generated mission, take it, be on target system, actually get on intercept course, interdict, try to deal with me. And this does not take account instancing algorithm and its own limitations and features.
Basically seems to me that said feature is way simpler to propose than actually implement.
I've already made a thread on the concept, this link is in my sig (I know many people are either on mobile or have sigs disabled so can't see it):
Suggestion for Powerplay 2.0 : Powerplay PvP Mission Concept ⚠ (Solves most of Elite's PvP dilemmas) ⚠
It wouldn't work, who picks the system for the mission? PP is all about hitting where its least expected.
O7
Proposed system seems to skewed towards defender. After all stuff is most likely delivered to target area before any out of system hunters are there.
Besides flight times are rather short unless delivery is to some binary companion and so on. And it does not take account of instancing.
Besides flight times are rather short unless delivery is to some binary companion and so on. And it does not take account of instancing.
...and after a couple of these "meaningful and fun encounters" the scrub inevitably goes Solo/Group where he discovers the game is exactly the same as Open, only without the irritants.
Absolutely spot on and what the Open only brigade cannot come to terms with even after 218 pages.
O7
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Can it occur in a PP context?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Is this thread restricted to discussions on Powerplay?
Also noting that the post to which that was a response also mentioned the BGS....
Swanson manouevre?
Fwiw it was a genuine question.
Ganking, for a given definition of ganking, does exist in Open, and ofc as a moderator you can see where this thread is filed so obviously it isn't restricted to PP.
While @Robert Maynard 's thinking of an answer, under what circumstances would PvP be permitted @TiberiusDuval and @Darrack , in your opinion?
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Perhaps ironically that it was a question as a response to a question as a response to a question which was, in turn a response to a question....
Hopefully all participants can see which sub-forum this thread is pinned to.
That's easy: when both sides want it to happen. Noting that this probably isn't the answer that some want.
PvP is permitted in Open, I've never been against this as an ex Pvper myself, i just hate gankers and griefers who's goal is to deliberately ruin other peoples fun.
I've never (nor have any PvEers) been against Open, all i do is defend against Open players who want to drag us into that mode or block Solo/PG from certain activities.
The common theme in this entire thread is Open players moaning that other folks are hiding in Solo/PG or they perceive Open is more dangerous and therefore should have greater rewards and be the only mode to effect PP or the BGS.
I've proved many times Open isn't more dangerous doing these activities.
O7
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It's like CQC in that respect - no-one should be surprised that a player pledged to a different Power might shoot at them.
Not really - because it's enabled in the only game mode with an unlimited population - games in the last few decades tend to offer PvP and PvE realms.
In my opinion no, if both are pledged to powers its fair game
No because it was never intended to be a PvP game, there is no balance and a trader/explorer has no chance against a dedicated fighter.
O7