The problem with the Panther Clipper
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I doubt something like this will make my trade cutter obsolete. We're talking about something that will be more unwieldy and more vulnerable than anything else which may require extra teamwork to execute properly. Nah I don't see the cutters going away.
No, if only there were current missions hauling 6500+ tons of cargo for millions in rewards. Oh, wait...
Not necessarily. The T7 is still relevant after you can have the T9, because it's much faster and can escape interdictions better. If the Panther gets the drift of the Cutter and the speed of the T9 or less, not everything will like that and stick to T9 andd Cutter.
I'm kind of thinking anything more than a 1000 ton capacity T6 would be so overpowered that it would blow apart any semblance of balance the game clings too. More than 1000 tons is getting a bit much. If it was slower and weaker than a T9 with less guns, it wouldn't be an easy choice. Obsoletizing ships is not a good design choice.
I've been part of wing source and return missions where 1 guy has a cutter, another has a T9, someone else a conda and the noob brings his T7. All work together to share the load and get it done asap. With a panther in the mix (2000t) that dynamic might need to be adjusted to assigning a guy to escort the panther or maybe multi crew makes more sense in some situations. It would be cool if the panther made multicrew something strategically desirable.
I've suggested in the other thread (which should be merged with this one) that more stations would get those arms.
Don't forget those numbers included all internals including Core Internals we have now.
An E rated Python already uses 302 tonnes just for the core internals and still has space for up to 292 tonnes of cargo.
The e rate Anacondas core internals use 652 tons before considering Cargo.
You can't just look at the FE2 capcities as a frame of reference
Maybe buy in separate parts and assemble once outside on a planet ?
Ikea has done well for themselves in the future!
Yes, they make meatballs, they can also make ships
Horsemeat tho! D:
Well yeah, because at least I imaging the panther clipper as so big that it can't fit a slot and needs a secondary ship/cargo bot to unload and reload it, basically needing a specialised 'huge' landing platform, so it really only is practical to land on planets, and with space stations they would need an external connection of a kind it could connect to and it could use the docking features but not really be docked.
Will that happen? I really don't know at this point, but man it would be cool.
Seeing as how the quote you replied to was talking about the Panther LX that was shown to fit neatly on a large pad uh... Why?
For reference, if you flip a Thargoid interceptor on its side you can fit it in the Mailslot. Theres a lot of room in there. I mean Im all for capital ships but the concept for the Elite Dangerous version of the Panther doesnt seem like its going to be it.(It doesnt seem like its going to be a lot of things to be honest but bare with me for the sake of discussion XD)
Make it half the speed of the Cutter.
Don't think that's a problem... the top cargo ship always made the lower tier ones obsolete.
- Back in the days [tm], the Anaconda made all other trading ships, including the T-9, obsolete. Although it had slightly lower capacity, its higher jumprange more than made up for it.
- Then came the Cutter and made the Conda obsolete (as a trading ship).
- Now comes the Panther and makes the Cutter obsolete.
Not seeing a problem here.
I doubt it will make the Cutter obsolete. The Cutter will probably still jump better and certainly be vastly better armed. The T9 is another story.
Dont Cry For Me Panther Clipper..
Introducing a ship that obsoletes others is a problem that is fixed by making it dockable only at specialised stations. Effectively its a XL landing-pad only. Dockin arms sound cool, but there needs to be an alternative docking mechanism that means ships can enter an outfitting bay and otherwise not simply 'vanish' while at a starport.
The benefits of making it XL pads only, is it can then be made massively OP for cargo without destroying game balance. Massively overpowered in cargo space (2000t +) but proportionally restricted in docking access means instead of strangling specs within fine margins, it opens out a whole new class of ships that can still be flown in the traditional heavy-fighter style, and can still have some performance charactetistics. (Id love to see it max cruise around 200 but boost to 450 (engineered) and stay there for ages with worst drift in most axes than a cutter. It might also allow certain Solo players to see source/delivery Wing missions on their board without breaking into a song from Evita.
Introducing a ship that obsoletes others is a problem that is fixed by making it dockable only at specialised stations. Effectively its a XL landing-pad only. Dockin arms sound cool, but there needs to be an alternative docking mechanism that means ships can enter an outfitting bay and otherwise not simply 'vanish' while at a starport.
The benefits of making it XL pads only, is it can then be made massively OP for cargo without destroying game balance. Massively overpowered in cargo space (2000t +) but proportionally restricted in docking access means instead of strangling specs within fine margins, it opens out a whole new class of ships that can still be flown in the traditional heavy-fighter style, and can still have some performance charactetistics. (Id love to see it max cruise around 200 but boost to 450 (engineered) and stay there for ages with worst drift in most axes than a cutter. It might also allow certain Solo players to see source/delivery Wing missions on their board without breaking into a song from Evita.
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