The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Thatchinho]

Greetings commanders,

Fun fact (maybe its new to someone, or old and I missed it .. then forget it ):
The new odyssey trailer features the song "Space Oddity" from David Bowie..
and there is a system called "Ziggy" and a gas giant called "Stardust" in ED.
(Ziggy Stardust and the spiders from mars..)

Back to our quest:
Currently my exploration vessel sits at the border of the Regor sector and I
keep on shouting at my canopy "let me in!!". I'm running out of ideas. It seems every system in the guardian area has already been visited.. really annoying.
I thought that maybe Dr Melvilles ship is here somewhere. But again .. its a needle in the haystack too. (And maybe another Galnet reference without in-game content.)

The sites/structures are all known, I suppose. The beacons too. So there is nothing new. We checked the doors, we checked the drawings.
Some commanders checked the layouts of the sites..

Does someone know whether the guardian systems are visible in the map before they get explored?
Or do they show up in the civilization filter after they have been explored?
So maybe there are many more and we have to find them.

Just one small hint ... just one.
Space madness kicks in.. those stars laugh at me, do they?

There's a huge amount of undiscovered systems in the Guardian area.

Heatmap of discovered/submitted systems (EDSM) in the main Guardian area (from 12/03/20, but hasn't changed significantly):

The brown circle marks the rough extent of the main Guardian area.

I thought that maybe Dr Melvilles ship is here somewhere. But again .. its a needle in the haystack too. (And maybe another Galnet reference without in-game content.)

While trying to avoid spoilers... no it's not a galnet reference with no in-game content.

The sites/structures are all known, I suppose.

Definitely (as can be in the absence of a statement from FD) not all sites. Maybe all the general layouts have been found, but who knows.

Does someone know whether the guardian systems are visible in the map before they get explored?
Or do they show up in the civilization filter after they have been explored?

They don't all show up even after they've been explored. (Whether some have shown up prior to being explored, I can't say.)

So maybe there are many more and we have to find them.

Yep.

Just one small hint ... just one.

Well, the sheer numbers have been hinted at for a long time, as has there being Guardian areas other than the one around Regor.

There might even have been other hints, who knows!

So there is nothing new.

This kinda depends on what you constitute as something new.

 

[Hanerib]

Maybe FDev could offer us an online course on philosophy of science, you know, small introductions into Karl Popper, Thomas Kuhn, Michael Feynman, stuff like that. That could be a fun thing to do as a group. I'm sure there are universities that offer that sort of thing for businesses and, um, why not Elite Dangerous forums lore & roleplay section too. I think somebody would have to contact community managers to make it happen.

 

[yelboc]

you mean Richard Feynman? I can thoroughly recommend his auto-biographies - a man I would love to have met - he sounded like he was right laugh, socially.

Not much to do with Raxxla, but the scientific method is a good sieve of truth also. Sadly, it would quite likely conclude we are wasting our time as we have no incontrovertible theories of Raxxla. Currently it exists only in our imaginations, though that once once true of much that we now call science..

 

[Rochester]

The reference regarding DB saying there are secret invitations is more likely than not, given the game mechanisms in place then and now, to be a description of the permit invitation process.

Cmdrs align with a faction that controls a locked system - thats not widely promoted, you get an invitation and you're in.

Dont feel DB was alluding to DW nor Raxxla at that time.

Honestly feel the whole DW invitation concept is just wistful thinking; a grand idea but honestly, you have to ask the logical question. If a secret mechanism was in place:

A: FD would really want you to find it, because it cost time and money to implement.
B: if there were such a unique mechanism in game FD would want to implement it across the whole game.
C: its more likely, given the improbability of options A & B, that if there is an invitation it will not be skill based, but it uses existing game mechanics, e.g. a locked system invitation.

Its possible that the Dark Wheel station is just locked beind a permit. All we need do is locate the correct faction to align with?

Maybe the older DW missions were this initial invitation process?

FD seem to imply these were put back in (see page 1) but its pretty vague if they really were. The Codex could be pointing us to the source, or it could just be a red herring.

The reference to the Omphalos could just mean - omphaloskepsis!

 

[Zieman]

Its possible that the Dark Wheel station is just locked beind a permit. All we need do is locate the correct faction to align with?

I'm still of the mind that either Raxxla or DW station is in Polaris.
Would be happy to be proven right or wrong on both accounts.

 

[Rochester]

I'm still of the mind that either Raxxla or DW station is in Polaris.
Would be happy to be proven right or wrong on both accounts.

More than likely.

Polaris is a prime candidate I feel, if the references to Philip Sydneys 'Astrophel' is intentional, to Axis Mundis, the Omphalos and Norse myth as well, may not just be tin foil space madness, as Polaris, or Draco or the 'bears' are applicable, as they all reference that area.

Edit: last time I checked the Polaris lock said 'Polaris permit' not 'unknown permit', is that still the case, if so that to me implies it can be obtained.

The controlling faction is not always the permit provider. Could be some small scale operation in the middle of nowhere.

*edit: 2021 FD recently confirmed Polaris permit isn’t currently available to players

Who knows.

Everytime I reach down the back of the sofa or some old deep coat pocket, I'm probably more likely to find Raxxla.

 

[Ruby_Empress]

im not new into the game but not old either, How would one start in the quest to find raxxla?
even tho i really want to find it, reading 1007 forum pages might be a bit too much

 

[Zieman]

im not new into the game but not old either, How would one start in the quest to find raxxla?
even tho i really want to find it, reading 1007 forum pages might be a bit too much

Going through the OP is a good start.

 

[SEAGULLSFLY]

Hello!

I have read some of the pages and i have a ideia.

What if the mother of galaxies is gravity and its jewel is SAG A?

 

[RaNaketh]

I can perhaps save you some time there:
Jorki is triple elite, and unlocked all the engineers, bubble+Colonia+Witchhead
Been allied with TDW in SD for ages, got allied with the PF faction that gives credits for killing goids. Visited most of the known beacons in the bubble, been to Beagle Point, joined the 64,000 ly Club. Visited Sag A* & Goliaths Rest

Young clone Tyko has been to Sag A* & Goliaths Rest and sold the exploration data the other day (100+ MCr) to TDW at Neuman Camp.

Both still waiting to hear from TDW!!!

I suspect Han_Zen may be right. We may either have to find the stealthy station by eyeball, or find another station where TDW recruiters hang out that might then lead towards it. I’m now wondering if need to get allied with the factions that show the triangle motif on their flag/drapes- it’s clearly beloved of Guardians and Pilot’s Fed/Universal Cartographic. Clearly FD when designing the game expected pilots to move around the bubble through running missions....perhaps the recruitment test is triggered by getting allied with sufficient number of the correct factions, your allied factions must be stored in-game but I don’t think it’s reported in the commander statistics.

There’s also the “Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth” mission (that may or may not have been deleted). Those elite ShinDez missions have always seemed to me to be the start of a storyline. Perhaps we need to find a “XXXX Gateway” station...

Thanks Jorki,

I figured you and others had already likely covered off a lot of that ground!

It's also something my Cmdr wants to do and see, so it's more about prioritizing RL time to get stuff done, and not only that if it does fall down to a journey everyone must take I'd rather have done (most of) it before finding out the news I need to complete it all to get to Raxxla!

I like the focus on what was around in the early stages of the game, and have also held a long standing suspicion about those faction flags and neck tattoos. Interestingly some of those directly oppose TDW in SD.

Spoiler: Guardian tattoos?

/ Ra

 

[yelboc]

Search for Xaintly's old summary of the thread

Ok -here:

The Quest To Find Raxxla

Damn right, biscuits are so 2017. Its an addiction ...

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[RaNaketh]

Indeed

On that front, it appears you might need to re-deliver to the top of the galaxy.

Rackham’s Peak Outpost Marks Galactic Zenith - Galnet - - Elite Dangerous

"Traders have been welcomed, although the increased distances between stars at the galaxy’s fringes mean that vessels with a high jump range are recommended. Rackham’s Peak is currently offering high prices for deliveries of beer, liquor, wine, Bast Snake Gin, Centauri Mega Gin, Chateau De Aegaeon, Eranin Pearl Whisky, Gerasian Gueuze Beer, Harma Silver Sea Rum, Indi Bourbon, Kongga Ale, Lavian Brandy, Leestian Evil Juice, Saxon Wine, Thrutis Cream and Wuthielo Ku Froth. "

 

[Han_Zen]

I'm still of the mind that either Raxxla or DW station is in Polaris.
Would be happy to be proven right or wrong on both accounts.

The DW station could well be there. I Raxxla is there, it probably need to be well hidden in the system.

We have been to Polaris in FFE. It did have an alien portal at that time. It was Thargoid and lead to their home world Miackce. I think it would be a little underwhelming, if that was Raxxla.

Fleet carriers have revealed the system map for Polaris. It has one gas giant, with eight moons.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

There's a huge amount of undiscovered systems in the Guardian area.

Heatmap of discovered/submitted systems (EDSM) in the main Guardian area (from 12/03/20, but hasn't changed significantly):
View attachment 200272

The brown circle marks the rough extent of the main Guardian area.

While trying to avoid spoilers... no it's not a galnet reference with no in-game content.

Definitely (as can be in the absence of a statement from FD) not all sites. Maybe all the general layouts have been found, but who knows.

They don't all show up even after they've been explored. (Whether some have shown up prior to being explored, I can't say.)

Yep.

Well, the sheer numbers have been hinted at for a long time, as has there being Guardian areas other than the one around Regor.

There might even have been other hints, who knows!

This kinda depends on what you constitute as something new.

Mate, put that heat map in a spoiler with a health warning!
Insomnia, 3 hours sleep, and then I sit down to catch up on the thread and my eyes explode!!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Maybe FDev could offer us an online course on philosophy of science, you know, small introductions into Karl Popper, Thomas Kuhn, Michael Feynman, stuff like that. That could be a fun thing to do as a group. I'm sure there are universities that offer that sort of thing for businesses and, um, why not Elite Dangerous forums lore & roleplay section too. I think somebody would have to contact community managers to make it happen.

Think you just volunteered!

 

[wAsh67]

nvm

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

The reference regarding DB saying there are secret invitations is more likely than not, given the game mechanisms in place then and now, to be a description of the permit invitation process.

Cmdrs align with a faction that controls a locked system - thats not widely promoted, you get an invitation and you're in.

Dont feel DB was alluding to DW nor Raxxla at that time.

Honestly feel the whole DW invitation concept is just wistful thinking; a grand idea but honestly, you have to ask the logical question. If a secret mechanism was in place:

A: FD would really want you to find it, because it cost time and money to implement.
B: if there were such a unique mechanism in game FD would want to implement it across the whole game.
C: its more likely, given the improbability of options A & B, that if there is an invitation it will not be skill based, but it uses existing game mechanics, e.g. a locked system invitation.

Its possible that the Dark Wheel station is just locked beind a permit. All we need do is locate the correct faction to align with?

Maybe the older DW missions were this initial invitation process?

FD seem to imply these were put back in (see page 1) but its pretty vague if they really were. The Codex could be pointing us to the source, or it could just be a red herring.

The reference to the Omphalos could just mean - omphaloskepsis!

No, if you watch the DB video he specifically talks about recruitment into a secret society within game. Fairly confident he was referring to TDW.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Hello!

I have read some of the pages and i have a ideia.

What if the mother of galaxies is gravity and its jewel is SAG A?

It’s been hypothesised before, but how does that fit into the toast-jewel that burns on the brow of the mother?
If you can solve that riddle we’d love to hear your thoughts!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Thanks Jorki,

I figured you and others had already likely covered off a lot of that ground!

It's also something my Cmdr wants to do and see, so it's more about prioritizing RL time to get stuff done, and not only that if it does fall down to a journey everyone must take I'd rather have done (most of) it before finding out the news I need to complete it all to get to Raxxla!

I like the focus on what was around in the early stages of the game, and have also held a long standing suspicion about those faction flags and neck tattoos. Interestingly some of those directly oppose TDW in SD.

Spoiler: Guardian tattoos?

View attachment 200288

/ Ra

Understand! Enjoy all the gameplay, don’t get trapped into Raxxla Quest alone, that path potentially carries space madness, grind, boredom and rage!

Mmm, Passenger missions for people with triangular neck tattoos?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

nvm

No, you have misunderstood! Raxxla, not TDW station.
The rumour (unsubstantiated, MB has been asked to confirm he said this but declined to comment) is that MB said during a closed (therefore probably under NDA terms) Q&A session (2014 or 2015?) at an early Lavecon that ‘the system which contains Raxxla had been visited but Raxxla was not detected’. As I keep pointing out to people who mention this rumour it is totally unsubstantiated, though it may be true (in the early days some pilots only carried short range scanners so plenty of systems have been entered but not fully scanned). Which would imply Raxxla is detectable, located some distance into a system, and the system was not permit-locked, however some locks were applied later on so it could be in one of the 6 or so systems in the bubble that we cant find a permit for. If so then joining TDW might be the route to get the permit (perhaps). However the rumour, if true, does not locate that system which could also equally probably be anywhere in the explored systems. Even in 2015 people were undertaking trips to Beagle Point and circumnavigations of the galaxy!