The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Cunder]

Has there been a discussion about translating "To the whisperer of witchspace" not necessarily as a place per se but a spot. When I look at it I can interpret it something that communicates to you or had communicated with someone in space. Much like former President Halsey, or the first person who got interdicted by the thargoid. It can be a significant timeline where there was some sort of signal that was captured.

Edit: We did talk about but I'm not sure how far into we got, We look into the Gen. Ship, Missing President situation, but that's all I can remember we looked into.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Has there been a discussion about translating "To the whisperer of witchspace" not necessarily as a place per se but a spot. When I look at it I can interpret it something that communicates to you or had communicated with someone in space. Much like former President Halsey, or the first person who got interdicted by the thargoid. It can be a significant timeline where there was some sort of signal that was captured.

Edit: We did talk about but I'm not sure how far into we got, We look into the Gen. Ship, Missing President situation, but that's all I can remember we looked into.

I pointed out that “whisperer” has two disparate meanings; it can mean a person who communicates in a whisper (i.e. quietly), or it can mean a person who is an expert or has an unusual talent in a particular field (e.g. horse whisperer). It can also imply someone who tells secrets

 

[Yuki Estelle]

I pointed out that “whisperer” has two disparate meanings; it can mean a person who communicates in a whisper (i.e. quietly), or it can mean a person who is an expert or has an unusual talent in a particular field (e.g. horse whisperer). It can also imply someone who tells secrets

Also consider the possibility that "To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!" is referring to the same thing. I often wondered whether the toast is actually implying that there are only three 'steps', with each complete sentence describing multiple aspects of a single entity.

1. To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!
2. To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!
3. The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!

Another point worth considering is the nature in which punctuation is used. For example, step 1 and 2 both end with an exclamation mark, while the 3rd uses a period followed by "To Raxxla!". This could be interpreted to mean that Raxxla itself is the parent's grief, lover's woe and the yearning of our vagabond hearts (or at least that the final step involves finding something related to Raxxla).

This theory works best when you plug in Greek mythology, since there are several stories that align nicely with each one.

 

[simulacrae]

Ditibi is Latin for Win.

I think "Di tibi" would mean something like "Your Gods" in Latin. Di - plural for God ( Deus)... "tibi" something like "for you".... but ya im not sure. Would be nice if there was a gemma in there though

 

[Darth Ender]

still nothing out by bovomit. though i haven't checked roid belts because no amount of eagerness to find something first can be worth that amount of boredom

 

[Altyrstride]

Witch's Reach

Tracked a ship from Union of Ditibi Revolutionary Party departing from Serebrov Gateway to Witch's Reach. Tried to follow the wake, but no permit...

Have you ever looked at the cargo of ships going to Witch's reach? I had the thought last night that maybe a specific combination of cargo is needed to try to access hidden areas in the game. I was looking at others talk about "a door that is also a key", and I came to the conclusion that there is a material in-game that fits that descriptor - Meta-alloys.

Meta-alloys are the material used by Thargoids presumably in the manufacturing and operation of their vessels. In a sense, they are the key to the power that they exude, but it is also the doorway to Thargoid Witchspace, accessible only when a Goid vessel high wakes out of the system. Just my two cents. Raxxla's on my mind

 

[Cunder]

I still think the word jewel is being used as a description or maybe a metaphor for it's importance, or must be valued. And mother must signify it's greatness compared to all galaxies. Much like how some use the expression "We hit the Mother Lode". Basically from this stand point everything that is said and is viewed through The Dark Wheel which has meaning to them since this is there supposed Toast to Raxxla.

 

[Ravenl0ft]

Hi Commenders!

Havent been around for a time, but im back, and i want to share some insights and findings with you. Be warned, following content contains a lot of astrology and asterisms.
I was passing over old theories and things we discussed, i just googled "Regulus star history". Most of you know but, i had a theory RAXXLA might be Right Ascension X X L, so i made a lot of search with celestial coordinates in right ascension 10 10 50. And the closest candidate was ofc Regulus, which has real life coordinates of RA 10h 8m 22s | Dec -11° 58′ 2, and in game coordinates of Right ascension: 10h 10m 58.887s / Declination: 11° 43'42.655'' according to edsm. And it is the brightest star of Leo constellation, which puts a lot of importance on it. While searching the history of alpha leonis, i found this website:https://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Regulus.html
And there is a passage:
The Lunar Mansions
In Arabia, Alpha (α Regulus) Leo with gamma (γ Algieba), zeta (ζ Adhafera), and eta (η Al Jabhah) of the Sickle (a star pattern resembling a reversed question mark representing Leo's mane), was the 8th manzil (Arabic Moon Mansion), Al Jabhah, the Forehead.

Influences of the 8th Arabic Moon Mansion Al Jabhah: Strengthens buildings, promotes love, benevolence, and help against enemies. [Robson*, p.71.]

With Moon transiting here: sow, plant, release prisoners but take no purgatives.[Robson*, p.71.]

Alpha (α Regulus) Leo was chief star in the 8th nakshatra (Hindu Moon Mansion) that bore its name, Magha, made up by all the components of the Sickle (Leo's mane and head); alpha (α Regulus described as on the base of the sickle), Gamma (γ Algieba), eta (η Al Jabhah), zeta (ζ Adhafera), mu (μ Ras Elased Borealis), epsilon (ε Ras Elased Australis), lambda (λ Alterf), and kappa (κ). The symbol of Magha "The Mighty" was a House. The regents were the Pitris (the spirits of the dead ancestors), or Fathers. Ruled by the Dragon's Tail.

Influences of the 8th Hindu Moon Mansion Magha: A severe asterism belonging to the Shudra caste (low caste Hindu) and favorable for acts of disgrace, destruction, deceit, imprisonment, beating, burning and poison when containing the Moon. Those born on the lunar day will be wealthy, fond of hills, merchants, valiant, and women haters. With Moon here at birth native will be wealthy, religious, contented, well served, and fond of life. Rules grain boxes and the lips and upper mouth. [Robson*, p.79.]

Ofc its not telling the 8th moon of a gas giant, but still it is peculiar. Also a bit of further search, and Regulus appears to be part of spring triangle and the Great diamond. Some sources show denebola as the corner of diamond, and some show regulus. Maybe there is a chance that this is the jewel we are looking for?

Spring Triangle - Wikipedia

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Great Diamond - Wikipedia

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I am doing missions to be ally with a faction who has 2 installations in regulus, which happens to be "secret tradition". I am overwhelmed of thinking possibilities and things i should search, so i wanted to share. It may be nothing, or it might be something worth checking, u decide. O7

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Also consider the possibility that "To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!" is referring to the same thing. I often wondered whether the toast is actually implying that there are only three 'steps', with each complete sentence describing multiple aspects of a single entity.

1. To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!
2. To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!
3. The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!

Another point worth considering is the nature in which punctuation is used. For example, step 1 and 2 both end with an exclamation mark, while the 3rd uses a period followed by "To Raxxla!". This could be interpreted to mean that Raxxla itself is the parent's grief, lover's woe and the yearning of our vagabond hearts (or at least that the final step involves finding something related to Raxxla).

This theory works best when you plug in Greek mythology, since there are several stories that align nicely with each one.

Mmm, English is an ambiguous language; much meaning is dependent on the context. And this is poetry, which further stretches the conventions for interpretation. So
“To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void
The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts
To Raxxla!”
can have multiple interpretations.
1) only three lines have “To” so only 3 directions- to the jewel, to the whisperer AND siren, to Raxxla
2) the “to” can apply to every clause, so 7 directions
3) to the jewel, to the whisperer, to the siren, to Raxxla, so 4 directions
4) since the location/direction of Raxxla is unknown the rest of the toast should logically provide directions to it. That gives 6 clauses so 6 possible directions, or 3 if you ignore the third line of grief/woe/yearning. Either of these possibilities might tie in to the hexagonal symmetry of the Raxxla logo in the Codex.

 

[Yuki Estelle]

I'm about to head back into the bubble with over 100 mil worth of exploration data. Does anyone have requests for factions/locations they'd like to see it turned in to? There are a few dozen options and I'm finding it difficult to decide.

Edit:

Mmm, English is an ambiguous language; much meaning is dependent on the context. And this is poetry, which further stretches the conventions for interpretation. So
“To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies
To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void
The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts
To Raxxla!”
can have multiple interpretations.
1) only three lines have “To” so only 3 directions- to the jewel, to the whisperer AND siren, to Raxxla
2) the “to” can apply to every clause, so 7 directions
3) to the jewel, to the whisperer, to the siren, to Raxxla, so 4 directions
4) since the location/direction of Raxxla is unknown the rest of the toast should logically provide directions to it. That gives 6 clauses so 6 possible directions, or 3 if you ignore the third line of grief/woe/yearning. Either of these possibilities might tie in to the hexagonal symmetry of the Raxxla logo in the Codex.

This was unfortunately one of my problems with the three-part theory. We know that the toast has been translated into several languages and they've all been cross-referenced by the community. Hence, it's unlikely that the separation means anything. Though it's certainly not impossible.

In leu of your points (and IF the toast is a clue), it seems more likely that there isn't a prose and the clues are simply keywords to be associated with astronomical observations.

 

[Cunder]

3) to the jewel, to the whisperer, to the siren, to Raxxla, so 4 directions

Figure I clear this up cause I made this mistake before without noticing it but there is no "To" for the siren, it's just " To the whisperer of witchspace, the siren of the deepest void".

Which can correlate between the two, whisperer, and siren are all to me calls to or from something, sirens enchants there targets, just as much as whispering witch.

 

[Han_Zen]

Figure I clear this up cause I made this mistake before without noticing it but there is no "To" for the siren, it's just " To the whisperer of witchspace, the siren of the deepest void".

Which can correlate between the two, whisperer, and siren are all to me calls to or from something, sirens enchants there targets, just as much as whispering witch.

If the "To" is the separator, there are three steps. That sounds resonnable.

The toast is used by the Dark Wheel. The Dark Wheel has yet to find Raxxla, so the 'map' is most likely not complete.

• The Jewel sounds pretty concrete. I suspect they know that one.
• The Whisper / Siren may be a location or an action that has to be taken (while in the Jewel system?)
• Raxxla is the goal. It's not a real step. Figure out the fir two and you are there.

Example of possible interpretation:

• Find the Jewel (we may need TDW's help on theis one)
• Jump from the Jewel to all neighbouring systems and listen for strange sounds in witchspace.
• Use sound data (strength and direction) to map a direction.
• Go back to jewel and supercruise in that direction until you hit gold.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I'm about to head back into the bubble with over 100 mil worth of exploration data. Does anyone have requests for factions/locations they'd like to see it turned in to? There are a few dozen options and I'm finding it difficult to decide.

Edit:

This was unfortunately one of my problems with the three-part theory. We know that the toast has been translated into several languages and they've all been cross-referenced by the community. Hence, it's unlikely that the separation means anything. Though it's certainly not impossible.

In leu of your points (and IF the toast is a clue), it seems more likely that there isn't a prose and the clues are simply keywords to be associated with astronomical observations.

I like the hypothesis of keywords associated with astronomical observations

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Figure I clear this up cause I made this mistake before without noticing it but there is no "To" for the siren, it's just " To the whisperer of witchspace, the siren of the deepest void".

Which can correlate between the two, whisperer, and siren are all to me calls to or from something, sirens enchants there targets, just as much as whispering witch.

No, think you misunderstood what I was saying. There are indeed three explicit usages of the word “to”, but since this is English, and moreover English poetry, the word might be implicit, so up to 7 implied instances of the word.

It just adds to the potential obfuscation!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

If the "To" is the separator, there are three steps. That sounds resonnable.

The toast is used by the Dark Wheel. The Dark Wheel has yet to find Raxxla, so the 'map' is most likely not complete.

• The Jewel sounds pretty concrete. I suspect they know that one.
• The Whisper / Siren may be a location or an action that has to be taken (while in the Jewel system?)
• Raxxla is the goal. It's not a real step. Figure out the fir two and you are there.

Example of possible interpretation:

• Find the Jewel (we may need TDW's help on theis one)
• Jump from the Jewel to all neighbouring systems and listen for strange sounds in witchspace.
• Use sound data (strength and direction) to map a direction.
• Go back to jewel and supercruise in that direction until you hit gold.

I’m working on a similar interpretation- the hypothesis that the first line is an instruction to go to the Jewel system, and then the rest of the verse provides instructions within the system to the location of Raxxla which is stealthed and will need you to be close and honking a lot to stand a chance of it revealing itself...I think RNGeesus applies!! Any young ladies from Lave wish to volunteer for a sacrifice?

 

[Darth Ender]

or, since breadcrumbs would lead to a quick discovery if they were in any way real ...

“To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies = the concept of leaving to the next star
To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void = the personification of the mysterious path travelled in your journey
The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts = The concept of leaving home, having a calling that goes beyond relationships ...the search for the unknown and the unseen
To Raxxla!” = like how we use "holy grail" or "white whale / moby " ...the thing that is never found but drives the explorers to keep looking.

It's a simple poem that is like an explorer's mantra. nothing more. I think when fdev said that the mystery would have to be a little bit obvious is just that raxxla isn't going to be an abstract concept or hidden in some corner of the galaxy in some random system. That's it. They're not going to have any kind of hint or "puzzle" that solving leads you any closer to raxxla. And any puzzles that flesh out the dark wheel wouldn't bring you any closer to raxxla as they're no closer to finding it than any random cmdr and they've had way longer to look. If the lore is in any way reliably coherent anymore.

 

[alexzk]

RAXXLA might be Right Ascension X X L

I don't think so. XX was just impossible combination for zx-spectrum name generator and was used as placeholder for something like numbers added or any chars. That's why it was used in promotion. Author just invented nice sound name which will not happen 100% in any random galaxy in game.

 

[Hanerib]

Oh well, studying Aratean Phaenomena just in case

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[yelboc]

I don't think so. XX was just impossible combination for zx-spectrum name generator and was used as placeholder for something like numbers added or any chars. That's why it was used in promotion. Author just invented nice sound name which will not happen 100% in any random galaxy in game.

The origin of the word Raxxla predates Elite 1984 by quite a bit, as it appears in the same author's work 'The Alien World' published in 1980. He probably just re-used it 'cause he liked it.. names can be hard for authors.

 

[SkyRock]

If the "To" is the separator, there are three steps. That sounds resonnable.

The toast is used by the Dark Wheel. The Dark Wheel has yet to find Raxxla, so the 'map' is most likely not complete.

• The Jewel sounds pretty concrete. I suspect they know that one.
• The Whisper / Siren may be a location or an action that has to be taken (while in the Jewel system?)
• Raxxla is the goal. It's not a real step. Figure out the fir two and you are there.

Example of possible interpretation:

• Find the Jewel (we may need TDW's help on theis one)
• Jump from the Jewel to all neighbouring systems and listen for strange sounds in witchspace.
• Use sound data (strength and direction) to map a direction.
• Go back to jewel and supercruise in that direction until you hit gold.

you led me to a brilliant idea that in principle allows us to start looking for something more specific!
Recently I read a book by balad about beta-2 and what you wrote gave me this thought:
A nebula is usually called a pearl or a jewel (translation difficulties, but not the essence), which means that the first line speaks of some specific nebula, the idea has just been born, so I don't know which one. But I dare to suggest that one of the options may be a nebula that is visible from the SOL.
the toast can be rephrased as follows:
1. need nebula name
2.go there
3. there you will find something.

upd - nebula cassiopeia?