The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Louis Calvert]

As I've said previously ... what we need to do is find another system that has a population similar to that of Shinrarta Dehzra and see if the Earth-like world in that system has night time lights.

While 85 million might seem like a large enough population to put off some visible light pollution that still doesn't answer the question of just how many of that 85 million are actually residents down on the surface. What is the typical operating population of a Coriolis station? And how much of that population is spread out at the other non-Founders World settlements located in the system? That 85 million includes Jameson Memorial, Gallun's Inheritance, Jameson Base, Neumann Camp, and Puleston Arsenal. If we can find some systems where the only human population is located in a Coriolis then we can get a good idea just how many people are potentially living in Jameson Memorial.

Instinct suggests that the majority of the 85 million inhabitants would be down on the surface of The Founders World but instinct in this case could be very wrong. If the surface population is limited to Elites who would actually live long enough to want to retire planetside then actual planetary population might be very small indeed. The majority of the 85 million might not be down on the surface of the Earth-like world at all.

All I'm suggesting is that there are a few items that we need to do some research into before we start pointing to the missing city lights as a breakthrough in the search for Raxxla. I'm just as intrigued by their absence as anyone and one of the best parts of this theory is that there are a few things we can do to try and prove/disprove it.

Good idea, it's testable I think Jameson is an Orbis isn't it? With the hab rings?

https://eddb.io/system/4959 has an Ocellus (iirc 2nd largest type) and literally no-other settlements and a pop of 616k. Orbis is bigger, so until we can find a similar system with just one it'll be hard to tell, but assume 1-2million.

There's no way that more than 1mill people live in the other bases in-system combined, I'd be stunned if the number was larger than a few thousand at the other bases. Even being very conservative it still leaves around 80mill+ "living" on Founder's World.

Just doing a quick check through EDSM:

https://eddb.io/system/12173 - ELW system, 53mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/189 - ELW 150mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/4819 - ELW system, 1.7mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/643 - ELW system 1.1mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/15904 - ELW system 3mill pop

These are probably going to give us the best baseline.

The three with low pops will tell us if lights show with small numbers, and the two that are close to Founder's in pop size will show if there are normally lights at that sort of size. They're single-system worlds with (generally) not too many other settlements, similar to Shinra (ish).

They're all within easy range of the Core too, so no need to go far to test it.

When I'm not hunting Thargoids next I'll go see those places and see if there are any lights on the night-side unless anyone else gets there first (pics or it diodn't happen!).

 

[Jaiotu]

Good idea, it's testable I think Jameson is an Orbis isn't it? With the hab rings?

https://eddb.io/system/4959 has an Ocellus (iirc 2nd largest type) and literally no-other settlements and a pop of 616k. Orbis is bigger, so until we can find a similar system with just one it'll be hard to tell, but assume 1-2million.

There's no way that more than 1mill people live in the other bases in-system combined, I'd be stunned if the number was larger than a few thousand at the other bases. Even being very conservative it still leaves around 80mill+ "living" on Founder's World.

Just doing a quick check through EDSM:

https://eddb.io/system/12173 - ELW system, 53mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/189 - ELW 150mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/4819 - ELW system, 1.7mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/643 - ELW system 1.1mill pop
https://eddb.io/system/15904 - ELW system 3mill pop

These are probably going to give us the best baseline.

The three with low pops will tell us if lights show with small numbers, and the two that are close to Founder's in pop size will show if there are normally lights at that sort of size. They're single-system worlds with (generally) not too many other settlements, similar to Shinra (ish).

They're all within easy range of the Core too, so no need to go far to test it.

When I'm not hunting Thargoids next I'll go see those places and see if there are any lights on the night-side unless anyone else gets there first (pics or it diodn't happen!).

Awesome! Depending on how much time I have this morning I'll see if I can pop in on some of these systems and give a look.

 

[Han_Zen]

Been checking a bit more on the Lucifer oddities form this post: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=6368699&viewfull=1#post6368699

I landed on Lucifer, with Sirius B directly over head. After two days, Sirius B was on the other side of Lucifer. This seem to correspond with the data listed in the system info(4.9 days rotation, 99 days orbit).
This does of course not match Kepler's laws. Lucifer should not be able to maintain such a slow orbit, without falling into Sirius B. This is probably a bug due to manually input data, but i'll keep an eye on it.
I also bug reported it a while back, but haven't heard anything: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/404652-Wrong-planet-info-for-Lucifer

I'we also checked all the Lagrange point between Sirius and Sirius B, using this 'finder': http://orbitsimulator.com/formulas/LagrangePointFinder.html

Didn't find anything, but the tool may be useful.

 

[CMDRGURU951]

What are the most mysterious or suspicious Independent factions? We all know about Sirius and TDW, but who else? Factions we haven't gotten anywhere with but they seem suspect.

 

[Scytale]

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3. The surface population might be so widely dispersed that no single settlement produces enough light to be visible from orbit.

4. For whatever reason, city/ies is built underground.
Unlikely but consistent with their love for secrecy and best way to keep secret the fact that they indeed have secrets. After all, what we "know" about them is perhaps just what they want us to know. I suspect, just like in my RP character's universe, that they are much more than we think. Vast underground cities and tech facilities... Ok ok oookaaayy ..Tinfoil hat out !

What are the most mysterious or suspicious Independent factions? We all know about Sirius and TDW, but who else? Factions we haven't gotten anywhere with but they seem suspect.

Jorki's Amateurs of Single ? The Penguin-Knights of The Axe ? Doc's Boys ... all these are strongly subversive !
EDIT: sorry.. bad and easy joke I just couldn't resist ...

 

[Jaiotu]

Akkadia system.
Population: 1,184,821
Earth-like-world: Remo Burkhard
Visible city lights: NONE

EDIT: Planet is tidally locked. Could be that no civilization exists on the dark side. Note though that there are other tidally locked planets that do have city lights on the dark side (Reference the Okinura system).

 

[Jaiotu]

Ququve system.
Earth-like-world: New America
Population: 3,000,000
Visible city lights: None

Note: Planet is tidally locked begging the question of whether or not the dark side would be inhabited.

 

[Thatchinho]

What are the most mysterious or suspicious Independent factions? We all know about Sirius and TDW, but who else? Factions we haven't gotten anywhere with but they seem suspect.

Wreaken. Them having access to Col 70 is very suspect.

 

[Jaiotu]

Flesk system.
Earth-like-world: Gaia Mai
Population: 1,750,000
Visible city lights: None

Note: Once again; tidally locked. So far none of these systems are a 1:1 analog of The Founders World.

 

[Jaiotu]

39 Tauri system.
Eart-like-world: Ad Pontes
Population: 150,000,000
Visible city lights: None

Note: Orbital period is 43,465.6 days. Seriously? Who is going to build a city on the dark side of that? Night on the dark side is over 400 years. Not a good analog.

 

[Louis Calvert]

39 Tauri system.
Eart-like-world: Ad Pontes
Population: 150,000,000
Visible city lights: None

Note: Orbital period is 43,465.6 days. Seriously? Who is going to build a city on the dark side of that? Night on the dark side is over 400 years. Not a good analog.

Vampires?

(also, nice work! Founders World nigh-side lights conspiracy busted!)

EDIT: UN-BUSTED!!! -> See below.

 

[Jaiotu]

Liaedin system.
Earth-like-world: Schneider Colony
Population: 52,999,999
Visible city lights: EXTENSIVE.

Notes: I have WAY too much personal history wrapped up in this particular system: THE CRIMSON WILL BLOSSOM!
Rotational period is .6 days.
This is a much better analog for Shinrata Dezhra ... though I'd be happier finding city lights / no city lights on a planet with a slower rotational period closer to that of The Founders World. Regardless, this is the one to beat. Shinrarta has a lower population and NO city lights. Very suspicious. Next step is to find an ELW with a similar rotational period.

nice work! Founders World nigh-side lights conspiracy busted!

Not busted yet!

 

[Louis Calvert]

Vampires?

(also, nice work! Founders World nigh-side lights conspiracy busted!

http://www.51allout.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Myth-busted.jpg)

I'm not sure Stellar Forge can tell if a planet would have night-side lights because of rotation.

Way to test it might be to find a milti-billion pop ELW that's tidally locked and see if there's night-side lights?

EDIT: OOPS Spoke to soon I see!

Liaedin system.
Earth-like-world: Schneider Colony
Population: 52,999,999
Visible city lights: EXTENSIVE.

Notes: I have WAY too much personal history wrapped up in this particular system: THE CRIMSON WILL BLOSSOM!
Rotational period is .6 days.
This is a much better analog for Shinrata Dezhra ... though I'd be happier finding city lights / no city lights on a planet with a slower rotational period closer to that of The Founders World. Regardless, this is the one to beat. Shinrarta has a lower population and NO city lights. Very suspicious. Next step is to find an ELW with a similar rotational period.



Not busted yet!

That's interesting....

 

[Jaiotu]

That's interesting....

Yes it is. Always bothered me that Okinura had city lights on the dark side even though it is tidally locked.

What is crucial now is to determine at what threshold a tidally locked planet gets darkside city lights and at what rotational period a non-tidally locked planet gets them. Exciting times ahead! This is the kind of thing that thrills me and keeps me playing.
I'll do more 'vestigating tomorrow.

 

[HunterwithGreenScales]

Wreaken. Them having access to Col 70 is very suspect.

It is very suspect. But haven't you heard? Wreaken got wrecked last year by the GCF. Though i also heard they may have made something of a comeback. I've also been told that the reason why they are in Col 70 is mentioned in "Premonitions", but i haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

 

[CMDRGURU951]

It is very suspect. But haven't you heard? Wreaken got wrecked last year by the GCF. Though i also heard they may have made something of a comeback. I've also been told that the reason why they are in Col 70 is mentioned in "Premonitions", but i haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

GCF? I'm headed to Ega to get allied with Wreaken as we speak.

 

[Thatchinho]

It is very suspect. But haven't you heard? Wreaken got wrecked last year by the GCF. Though i also heard they may have made something of a comeback. I've also been told that the reason why they are in Col 70 is mentioned in "Premonitions", but i haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Yeah, I remember there was the campaign against them. And yeah what they’re doing in Col 70 is indeed explained in Premonition. No unwanted spoilers though, obviously.

For me though, it’s not what they’re doing, but what they could be doing that’s the most interesting. As soon as the Col 70 permit drops, the obvious thing to do is going to be to go to the system the Thargoid Probe points to. There’s no indications that Wreaken have done that though...

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

4. For whatever reason, city/ies is built underground.
Unlikely but consistent with their love for secrecy and best way to keep secret the fact that they indeed have secrets. After all, what we "know" about them is perhaps just what they want us to know. I suspect, just like in my RP character's universe, that they are much more than we think. Vast underground cities and tech facilities... Ok ok oookaaayy ..Tinfoil hat out !


Jorki's Amateurs of Single ? The Penguin-Knights of The Axe ? Doc's Boys ... all these are strongly subversive !
EDIT: sorry.. bad and easy joke I just couldn't resist ...

I’ll have you know that Jorki’s Tykes have a thoroughly professional attitude to our single malt/Lavian brandy imbibing; we are dedicated (and happy, until the bottle runs dry)!

 

[Jaiotu]

Didn't get a chance to go searching for more low population Earth-likes looking for city lights. I spent my off time watching episodes 3 & 4 of the new Lost in Space instead.

Is there any way to get EDDB to sort ELWs by population & rotational period? I think the info is all in there but I can't find any options to use those as search criteria. I don't think EDDB was designed with us tin-foilers in mind.

 

[lorrad]

Didn't get a chance to go searching for more low population Earth-likes looking for city lights. I spent my off time watching episodes 3 & 4 of the new Lost in Space instead.

Is there any way to get EDDB to sort ELWs by population & rotational period? I think the info is all in there but I can't find any options to use those as search criteria. I don't think EDDB was designed with us tin-foilers in mind.

Yes, it's more limited than it used to be. Once upon a time you could select 2 extra attributes and range was unlimited but now it's one extra and range is limited to 100 lyr. Maybe should beg him to give us at least 1000 lyr.

But, what you ask is there!

Login, select the bodies page, select ELW for body type, select populated yes, select rotational period for extra column, select your reference system and go.

Tested for Sirius and got 26 pages.

Might be easier to learn mysql and run your queries against your local edd or ed-ibe database?