I was looking at the fictional children’s book mentioned in Elite Legacy, the only element which describes its content is ‘some Prince saving a princess from a space dragon.

MB wrote the book Sun Dragon (space dragon). Yes there is no Astrophil or spinning stars in the title and but maybe the title is irrelevant, or maybe it relates to some reference within that book?

Is this a clue? Who knows, but maybe worth a shot in the dark.
 
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Does anyone know why the asteroid belt in Sol is in the middle of the sun? Or what happened to Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, Hygiea or the other large bodies in the asteroid belt? Maybe a lore explanation?
Fun fact, one of the asteroids is Proserpina, the roman name for Persephone/Kore. And Ceres is the roman name for her mother, Demeter.
Nope, it’s been raised many times. It’s only the bookmark for the main asteroid belt that shows in the sun. I raised that in a bug report back in 2016 when I got the Sol permit. I guess it’s possible that its a programming way of putting the asteroid belt into system as a real thing while having such odd properties. IRL it is is very sparse, with huge distances between asteroids. In game there are “asteroid clusters” which are detectable, but if you drop out of SC at one then nothing is there! But one of the space probes IRL detected several (around 8 IIRC?) asteroids and that number matches the number of asteroids shown in the FSS?

There was an idea that Ceres was crashed into/mined for its water during Mars terraforming, but I dont think FD ever confirmed that. I suspect the lore explanation is that they didnt want to spend a couple of years programming all the bodies in Sol!

But Sol is definitely a puzzle!
 
I was looking at the fictional children’s book mentioned in Elite Legacy, the only element which describes its content is ‘some Prince saving a princess from a space dragon.

MB wrote the book Sun Dragon (space dragon).

Is this a clue? Who knows, but maybe worth a shot in the dark.

TLDR i dont think there are any direct references in Sun Dragon.

In Sun Dragon the heroine Samantha Collins ultimately dies - not rescued by any prince.
there is another astronaut who also gets killed named: Pitor Vasilevitch
Vasilevitch name- relating to basileios... of royal blood. He calls his grand-daughter princess. she mentions wanting to name her new puppy rex (king) but it was a female.

In Elite Legacy there is also : Piotr Vanchenko
Bounty Hunter - avenging death of Sahiba Mehta...
Not sure maybe he just likes guys named Peter?

And of course the names of Julia (descendant of Jove) her father and Grandfather
Darik Cavus (Julias Father)
Darik - Ruler of the Land
Cavus - hollow, depression
Rex Cavus (Julias Grandfather)
and of course the reference of Julia having a book about " a young man’s quest to save a princess from an alien dragon."

so ya ive got nothing - didnt see any obvious Milton references
 
Nope, it’s been raised many times. It’s only the bookmark for the main asteroid belt that shows in the sun. I raised that in a bug report back in 2016 when I got the Sol permit. I guess it’s possible that its a programming way of putting the asteroid belt into system as a real thing while having such odd properties. IRL it is is very sparse, with huge distances between asteroids. In game there are “asteroid clusters” which are detectable, but if you drop out of SC at one then nothing is there! But one of the space probes IRL detected several (around 8 IIRC?) asteroids and that number matches the number of asteroids shown in the FSS?

There was an idea that Ceres was crashed into/mined for its water during Mars terraforming, but I dont think FD ever confirmed that. I suspect the lore explanation is that they didnt want to spend a couple of years programming all the bodies in Sol!

But Sol is definitely a puzzle!
Maybe the big asteroids are in-game, but in the same way the ancient probes were. Those were found only if you knew where to look and appeared as a signal source only when very close, therefore very easy to miss at high SC speeds unless you were right on top of them. Since there is no lore mention of Ceres (DW posted a pic from FE2 that showed Ceres in-game in 3250, but i heard FE2 isn't canon), and FDev keeps a curious silenzio stampa about the big asteroids I think it's a very good line of investigation. I got this weird feeling about Ceres after I saw some NASA pics of Occator crater, with its bright blue spots (Cerealia Facula - facula means little torch in latin) and the smaller but just as bright Vinalia Faculae in its vicinity.

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The big problem about finding the big asteroids in the belt is that their orbit has a pretty wide interval, it's hard to cover just by lil' old me.

Another interesting thing I found is that in ancient greek, "omphalos" also means "umbilical cord". Ummm, umbilical cord? Ceres? Her daughter, Proserpina? Both big asteroids, both allegedly missing? Come on, there's too many coincidences here. Either FDev has to 'fess up what they've done with 'em or it's a HUGE clue.
 
The “princess” might perhaps be a nod to DB’s saying “ED does have a story, but it’s not a single-player threaded “rescue the princess” style story, it’s a story of your progression through the game, we will have things that happen to you at certain stages through the game, you’ll get invited to join things, if you get invited to join a secret organisation that’s a thing that can happen to lots of players, if you don’t get that invitation you’ll think to yourself why? I did kill that policeman the other day maybe I need to get my reputation higher”. m.youtube.com/watch?v=gDh9G1gDgMU
@TRDW: I’m still waiitng to be invited guys, and I havent killed any system security operatives for a very long time!! 🧐

Mmm, perhaps we do have to rescue the princess! What’s Aisling up to nowadays?
 
Maybe the big asteroids are in-game, but in the same way the ancient probes were. Those were found only if you knew where to look and appeared as a signal source only when very close, therefore very easy to miss at high SC speeds unless you were right on top of them. Since there is no lore mention of Ceres (DW posted a pic from FE2 that showed Ceres in-game in 3250, but i heard FE2 isn't canon), and FDev keeps a curious silenzio stampa about the big asteroids I think it's a very good line of investigation. I got this weird feeling about Ceres after I saw some NASA pics of Occator crater, with its bright blue spots (Cerealia Facula - facula means little torch in latin) and the smaller but just as bright Vinalia Faculae in its vicinity.

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The big problem about finding the big asteroids in the belt is that their orbit has a pretty wide interval, it's hard to cover just by lil' old me.

Another interesting thing I found is that in ancient greek, "omphalos" also means "umbilical cord". Ummm, umbilical cord? Ceres? Her daughter, Proserpina? Both big asteroids, both allegedly missing? Come on, there's too many coincidences here. Either FDev has to 'fess up what they've done with 'em or it's a HUGE clue.

Mmm, like that photo! Not seen that before.
Does look a bit like a navel doesn’t it! Complete with salt & fluff 😁

Yep, one of my previous hypotheses was that Raxxla is one of the asteroids in Sol’s main belt; it should logically be close to Mars, as I think the Mars Artefact is Raxxla-related. Still believe it’s in Sol, but I searched around the asteroid belt for a long time without results (other than the “green glows” graphical glitch), as have others. Still treating the book title as a potential anagram and will continue to search along those lines for a while. The other meaning of Omphalos is hub/centre, which might indicate rotational axis of an astronomical body, which is where I’m currently focusing. But not had time to play for a couple of days.

I think you have to be very close to “it” for it to instantiate, presumably when you honk. Perhaps we also need to carry a cargo of celery? 😉
 
Maybe the big asteroids are in-game, but in the same way the ancient probes were. Those were found only if you knew where to look and appeared as a signal source only when very close, therefore very easy to miss at high SC speeds unless you were right on top of them. Since there is no lore mention of Ceres (DW posted a pic from FE2 that showed Ceres in-game in 3250, but i heard FE2 isn't canon), and FDev keeps a curious silenzio stampa about the big asteroids I think it's a very good line of investigation. I got this weird feeling about Ceres after I saw some NASA pics of Occator crater, with its bright blue spots (Cerealia Facula - facula means little torch in latin) and the smaller but just as bright Vinalia Faculae in its vicinity.

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The big problem about finding the big asteroids in the belt is that their orbit has a pretty wide interval, it's hard to cover just by lil' old me.

Another interesting thing I found is that in ancient greek, "omphalos" also means "umbilical cord". Ummm, umbilical cord? Ceres? Her daughter, Proserpina? Both big asteroids, both allegedly missing? Come on, there's too many coincidences here. Either FDev has to 'fess up what they've done with 'em or it's a HUGE clue.

“In the video game Destiny, Ceres was colonized by an alien race called the Fallen at the end of humanity's Golden Age.” (https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/dwarf-planets/ceres/overview/)

Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(video_game)) “released worldwide on September 9, 2014” (i.e. in time to impact the ED Raxxla) , “Players take on the role of a Guardian” (my emphasis) 🙂
 
“In the video game Destiny, Ceres was colonized by an alien race called the Fallen at the end of humanity's Golden Age.” (https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/dwarf-planets/ceres/overview/)

Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(video_game)) “released worldwide on September 9, 2014” (i.e. in time to impact the ED Raxxla) , “Players take on the role of a Guardian” (my emphasis) 🙂
Offtopic: Oh I'd like it very much if FDev went a little Destiny-like with Odyssey and maybe added a bike, or some lore-heavy quests to obtain unique weapons. A little on-foot PvP wouldn't hurt none either.
Ontopic: Guardian tech guiding us to Raxxla? Well, Prof Melville said Guardians occupied roughly the same space bubble as humans do in Elite so it would be a definite (and cool) possibility, but FDev said you don't need Horizons to find Raxxla IIRC.
 
That’s what I thought, but if you can find the source reference I’ll add it to my FDev quotes thread!

While I do have both DB and MB quotes that Raxxla is in game in that thread, I’ve never found any confirmation that it can actually be found! (But I Quest in hope!!🤓)

Don’t remember Destiny. But thought it was interesting they had their own Guardians! 👽👽
 
Well, I’ve got bored looking at Rhea & Ariel. I’m willing to reconsider the asteroids, but has anybody any thoughts on how to actually find them in-game?

If you fly the asteroid belt and encounter an asteroid cluster, if you drop out of SC there is nothing there. So are the asteroid clusters real or totally fictitious?

Since we don't have access to the book, I’m still working on the hypothesis that “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” is an anagram clue to Raxxla’s location. There’s a good selection of letters! As well as “Alien Ship At Rhea in Sol” I can see:
Sol Ship asteroid Earth Io Callisto Dione Rhea Titan Ariel Titania Triton Charon
And
Asteroid Ceres, Pallas, Astraea. 🤓
 
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Since we don't have access to the book, I’m still working on the hypothesis that “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” is an anagram clue to Raxxla’s location.
I like that idea, but I personally don't think they would use an anagram clue that only works in English. You get very different letters when looking at the codex entry in the other languages, so I am not sure this is what they used to hide a clue. But... one word does not change in number of letters: Astrophel. And by coincidence, if it is that, Andromeda could easily replace Astrophel since it is a name with the same amount of letters. Also, the Omphalos being the rotational axis of an astronomical body could also refer to a neutron star, if you look at their holographic depiction in the ship's HUD when targeted. I still think what we are looking for is probably hidden somewhere in the Andromeda constellation.

There are so many references to the whole myth surrounding that princess within the codex entry, it would be surprising if it had nothing to do with it. The parents are there, surrounding her, as well as the lovers are there too in the form of Andromeda and Perseus. The Tau Ceti reference at the start of the Codex entry could be one as well, since Tau Ceti is in Cetus, which is the monster that they wanted to sacrifice Andromeda to. I find that paragraph is also a bit strange since a random report from some mechanic to be the first recorded version of someone mentioning a popular myth... well, I don't know. Kinda weird. But we get a system name, so that might be the bit of importance there. Either because something is in that system, or the name of the system ties in with/points at the rest of the clues.

I have also been thinking of how finding the right spot could be featured in the game, meaning mechanics. I think it could be similar to wing beacons, in that you suddenly get a spot where it charges up your FSD to jump you to a special instance if you approach it, similar to how you can jump after a wing mate when you have that navigation link option activated while in group.
 
I know this has been postulated before, but has anyone here read ‘Sun Dragon’ by M Brookes?

I’m in two minds as to buy it, but could this be the so called Children’s story referred to in the Codex - as referenced in his other work ‘Elite Legacy’?

If so has anyone interrogated it for references to John Milton, Norse myth, star gates or inter dimensional portals… does it repeatedly discuss certain themes, numbers or locations?

“I had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young man’s quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldn’t have got it from anywhere else. “I still have that book.” Elite Legacy M Brookes.
I bought and read it a while ago. Didn’t notice anything relating to our quest here though. Overall it’s not a terribly good book
 
I like that idea, but I personally don't think they would use an anagram clue that only works in English. You get very different letters when looking at the codex entry in the other languages, so I am not sure this is what they used to hide a clue. But... one word does not change in number of letters: Astrophel. And by coincidence, if it is that, Andromeda could easily replace Astrophel since it is a name with the same amount of letters. Also, the Omphalos being the rotational axis of an astronomical body could also refer to a neutron star, if you look at their holographic depiction in the ship's HUD when targeted. I still think what we are looking for is probably hidden somewhere in the Andromeda constellation.

There are so many references to the whole myth surrounding that princess within the codex entry, it would be surprising if it had nothing to do with it. The parents are there, surrounding her, as well as the lovers are there too in the form of Andromeda and Perseus. The Tau Ceti reference at the start of the Codex entry could be one as well, since Tau Ceti is in Cetus, which is the monster that they wanted to sacrifice Andromeda to. I find that paragraph is also a bit strange since a random report from some mechanic to be the first recorded version of someone mentioning a popular myth... well, I don't know. Kinda weird. But we get a system name, so that might be the bit of importance there. Either because something is in that system, or the name of the system ties in with/points at the rest of the clues.

I have also been thinking of how finding the right spot could be featured in the game, meaning mechanics. I think it could be similar to wing beacons, in that you suddenly get a spot where it charges up your FSD to jump you to a special instance if you approach it, similar to how you can jump after a wing mate when you have that navigation link option activated while in group.
Indeed, Han_Zen said the same thing about different languages. I’m not fully convinced. English is the language of the developers, and they would naturally initially think of any clues using English; it may be that clues and other languages were considered later. Would they expect players to think about the English language implications? Not sure, perhaps the clues are translatable, or common concepts. Consequently I had a brief look at the problem. Most of the book title can change significantly across various languages, according to Google Translate, but the name should not. In the English version we have Astrophel whereas in the Spanish it’s Astrophil. At which point I suspect the translation program or a typo! If we assume it should be Astrophel across all languages, since a name should not change, then we get (in English, I’ll leave it to others who are good at other languages to explore alternatives):

Star Phel (“phel” means “hater” in at least one language, is there a system named Phel in-game?)
Rhea sol
Sol heart

Heart of Sol system (& its hub - alternate omphalos meaning) is Sol! So could Raxxla be hidden within Sol? Dont think it’s the right type to be one of those special “dual stars” ( cant remember the name). I did try to test this possibility a while ago by approaching Sol, but it gets quite hot very quickly, it’s not a special case for ship heat levels, so I discounted that. But hidden at the heart of Sol is the bookmark for the asteroid belt, which has always seemed strange- interesting!

So I’m coming back to the possibility of Sol’s asteroid belt. I’m wondering if it might be a logic puzzle, could you have to drop in on all 8(?) “asteroid clusters” before it can be discovered? Or drop in on them in a specific sequence?it might be a way of avoiding a casual player finding this easter egg, you’ve got to look in a certain way?

Yes, Andromeda does fit the toast, as do many other possibilities & have been examined in this thread. But that hypothesis ignores one clue that signals Sol - the Mars Artefact is a clear hint that aliens travelled to Sol. We don’t have any such indication to support any other hypothesis. Not trying to dissuade you, if you want to pursue that hypothesis then carry on, this is the scientific method. But it seems to me that Sol is the target area.

Like Djidjel I find it strange that Ceres is not in-game and have found no FD explanation or lore to explain why. I seem to recall in the Scott Manley interview (see FD quotes thread in my signature below) DB ignored a question about Ceres, though they were both drinking in a noisy bar). Ceres is the largest object in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter and the only dwarf planet located in the inner solar system, it comprises 25 percent of the asteroid belt's total mass. To the early astronomers asteroids initially appeared to be points of light, like stars, showing little or no planetary disc but with high apparent motion which fits the “spiralling stars” phrase (the concept of spiralling stars is common whatever the language).

Leaving language differences aside, “Sol” from “Astrophil/Astrophel” anagram, plus asteroids as “spiralling stars” does fit “some Raxxla seekers insisted that the story's author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book as hints for those with eyes to see.
 
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But that hypothesis ignores one clue that signals Sol - the Mars Artefact is a clear hint that aliens travelled to Sol. We don’t have any such indication to support any other hypothesis.
Before I flew out into the Andromeda vector I did look around the various moons in Sol, because I agree with you that Sol containing a Raxxla hint is also a possibility I consider as highly likely, since hiding something directly under our nose, right at home, would be something I could see the devs doing. Since I am not the most familiar with everything regarding that Mars artifact and the alien link to it... was it ever revealed if it was Guardian related? And what about it, other than it was from of alien origin, can be tied to the whole Raxxla search? I think I read somewhere that it is said that the Guardians once inhabited roughly the same bubble/region humans do now. So I always thought that Mars artifact probably is something from them.

Most of the book title can change significantly across various languages
That is why I am thinking it is in the meaning/context and not necessarily in the way it is written, the letters used, etc. All languages have the princess, the name, and stars that spiral/spin. So I am trying to match these elements to the rest of the entry, and then trying to apply it to either Sol or a region of space like Andromeda.

Like Djidjel I find it strange that Ceres is not in-game and have found no FD explanation or lore to explain why.
Agreed, I didn't know Ceres wasn't featured in the game. Hm... I might need to come back to Sol and have a look at those asteroid belts, though I am not sure what to look for exactly. Are there really 8 clusters? Hiding something in them is a possibility, but I assume you would have to get really close to whatever might be there to trigger something.

PS: looked up the asteroid belts/regions in our Sol system, found this interesting depiction on wiki, thought it reminded me of something:

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PS: looked up the asteroid belts/regions in our Sol system, found this interesting depiction on wiki, thought it reminded me of something:

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This. Those three circle sectors match the Trojans, Hildas and Greeks asteroid clusters. The center dot-and-circle is Sun's symbol, and the six outer radial segments are present in many symbols for the bodies in Sol. It's almost as if FDev wanted to create a symbol for Raxxla as a solar body yet unfound/unknown.
 
This. Those three circle sectors match the Trojans, Hildas and Greeks asteroid clusters. The center dot-and-circle is Sun's symbol, and the six outer radial segments are present in many symbols for the bodies in Sol. It's almost as if FDev wanted to create a symbol for Raxxla as a solar body yet unfound/unknown.
The three arcs symbol are visible at the entrance to all (that ai’ve seen) in-game asteroid bases. Highly significant! Dont then think it necessarily indicates Trojans, Hildas or Greeks, but it could do! I spent some time looking for them, but the search space is vast.
 
Before I flew out into the Andromeda vector I did look around the various moons in Sol, because I agree with you that Sol containing a Raxxla hint is also a possibility I consider as highly likely, since hiding something directly under our nose, right at home, would be something I could see the devs doing. Since I am not the most familiar with everything regarding that Mars artifact and the alien link to it... was it ever revealed if it was Guardian related? And what about it, other than it was from of alien origin, can be tied to the whole Raxxla search? I think I read somewhere that it is said that the Guardians once inhabited roughly the same bubble/region humans do now. So I always thought that Mars artifact probably is something from them.


That is why I am thinking it is in the meaning/context and not necessarily in the way it is written, the letters used, etc. All languages have the princess, the name, and stars that spiral/spin. So I am trying to match these elements to the rest of the entry, and then trying to apply it to either Sol or a region of space like Andromeda.


Agreed, I didn't know Ceres wasn't featured in the game. Hm... I might need to come back to Sol and have a look at those asteroid belts, though I am not sure what to look for exactly. Are there really 8 clusters? Hiding something in them is a possibility, but I assume you would have to get really close to whatever might be there to trigger something.

PS: looked up the asteroid belts/regions in our Sol system, found this interesting depiction on wiki, thought it reminded me of something:

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No, very little revealed about the Mars artefact. In the codex/tourist beacon (0175) it just says found during terraforming, small (child’s hand size) & alien. I infer it’s Guardian because Ram Tah’s decodes indicate Guardian ark ships and Guardian explorers, plus hunting parties. Not so sure about the common areas in galaxy-Guardian bases are a fair way from Sol. Nothing ties the artefact directly to Raxxla, just inference that Raxxla is not a human word, & the lore says Raxxla is associated with aliens, & the artefact is alien. Plus also meta-thinking about the way Fd might have created this easter egg and the lore that would go with it. Hence my belief that Raxxla is a Guardian ark ship, which may be Ceres or one of the other large asteroids. There may well be other alien species in-game, but of the two we currently know of I think the Mars artefact is more likely to be Guardian than Thargoid, given the size.

The FSS in Sol shows a number, and I think its 8, for the asteroid clusters. There is difficulty in tying that number to the “asteroid clusters” which can be found flying around the location of the asteroid belt. One of the probes (Voyager?) flew past several (8?) asteroids so it seems the FSS asteroid number might be a tribute to that. When you find one of those clusters your location in the orrery view has jumped by about 13 segments around the belt, when you fly out of that cluster your location in the orrery view returns to what it should be. Seems to be a bug in the orrery view, whether it is intentional way of capturing our attention we don’t know. No Ceres is not featured in-game, but given its prominence (first one found) and size that is the question. Is it hidden (like “ TDW stealth station”) or is there lore that it was used to supply the water fir Mars terraforming (in which case where is that lore?), is its absence just a programming effort decision, or what? Its absence is suspicious, but we don't know why.
 
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For Sol asteroid belt discussion you might be interested in my earlier posts:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-8912710 (Sol is a logical place for an old disused station)
 
Before I flew out into the Andromeda vector I did look around the various moons in Sol, because I agree with you that Sol containing a Raxxla hint is also a possibility I consider as highly likely, since hiding something directly under our nose, right at home, would be something I could see the devs doing. Since I am not the most familiar with everything regarding that Mars artifact and the alien link to it... was it ever revealed if it was Guardian related? And what about it, other than it was from of alien origin, can be tied to the whole Raxxla search? I think I read somewhere that it is said that the Guardians once inhabited roughly the same bubble/region humans do now. So I always thought that Mars artifact probably is something from them.


That is why I am thinking it is in the meaning/context and not necessarily in the way it is written, the letters used, etc. All languages have the princess, the name, and stars that spiral/spin. So I am trying to match these elements to the rest of the entry, and then trying to apply it to either Sol or a region of space like Andromeda.


Agreed, I didn't know Ceres wasn't featured in the game. Hm... I might need to come back to Sol and have a look at those asteroid belts, though I am not sure what to look for exactly. Are there really 8 clusters? Hiding something in them is a possibility, but I assume you would have to get really close to whatever might be there to trigger something.

PS: looked up the asteroid belts/regions in our Sol system, found this interesting depiction on wiki, thought it reminded me of something:

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Ceres was in FE2/FFE. There was nothing on it but ice, back then.
I don’t know why the dropped it. There are far smaller bodies in ED.
 
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