I think however may be wrong as the lore is kind of confusing around it, direct sight was used, however usually between more than one system for refuels so technically both using waypoints and line of sight to the destination for first time that is, afterwards beacons and refuel/repair stations where setup between the original and destination system which are now defunct
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I think for Tau and Alpha they would most likely have bee direct line of sight, however Archenar way pointing, But yes a question for Fdev and might have been changed along the way from older lore
Just to be precise:
Cluster = a signal source, for example "Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 1"
Belt (origin) = "Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt"
In fact there is NO CLUSTERS at all in Sol from asteroid belt (and i already saw that in another system but cannot remember the name, so it's not a fdev mistake this time).
When you see logs from other systems (which have clusters), the pattern is always the same (example: Shinrarta Dezhra):
1) Star around which the belt clusters will be attached, and is also the origin point of the belt:
JSON:
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", [B][U][COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]"BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra"[/COLOR][/U][/B], "BodyID":1, "Parents":[ {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":0.000000, "StarType":"K", "Subclass":4, "StellarMass":0.648438, "Radius":533171360.000000, "AbsoluteMagnitude":7.129517, "Age_MY":8068, "SurfaceTemperature":4343.000000, "Luminosity":"V", "SemiMajorAxis":173078793287.277222, "Eccentricity":0.018651, "OrbitalInclination":21.118831, "Periapsis":201.271868, "OrbitalPeriod":159594273.567200, "AscendingNode":0.000000, "MeanAnomaly":342.599692, "RotationPeriod":285618.408516, "AxialTilt":-0.041915, [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)][B][U]"Rings":[ { "Name":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt"[/U][/B][/COLOR], "RingClass":"eRingClass_Rocky", "MassMT":1.1762e+14, "InnerRad":8.7973e+08, "OuterRad":2.1867e+09 } ], "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }2) The Belt Origin
You can see that on the line above in section "Rings":
JSON:
"Name":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt"3) Clusters
The signal sources we can target and drop in/out:
JSON:
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 1", "BodyID":4, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":4.891631, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 2", "BodyID":5, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":4.667826, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 3", "BodyID":6, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":6.669680, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 4", "BodyID":7, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":4.255642, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 5", "BodyID":8, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":4.596694, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 6", "BodyID":9, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":3.463373, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2022-02-08T12:15:55Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"NavBeaconDetail", "BodyName":"Shinrarta Dezhra A A Belt Cluster 7", "BodyID":10, "Parents":[ {"Ring":3}, {"Star":1}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Shinrarta Dezhra", "SystemAddress":3932277478106, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":3.309002, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }So the fact that when someone target Asteroid Belt in Sol, which belt origin is the Sun, is normal.
Now if you want to try it, bring sun glasses because you will drop very close from the Sun
If by ‘warp’ you mean something similar to supercruise, then who knows.
It’s very unclear what the situation is with non-hyperspace FTL in the history of the ED universe. There wasn’t any in FE:2.
Pretty much all the info that I’m aware of is about hyperspace travel.
AFAIK, supercruise was new with the FSD. MB has said that the FSD operates on different principles to the previous hyperspace tech, but whether that definitively means that supercuise style travel was new with the FSD I can’t say.
MB has said that early expansion out of Sol was via:
- Ion Drives
- Fusion Torches (for large vessels such as Gen Ships)
- Experimental hyperspace
The only thing I’ve seen that hints at a supercruise equivalent prior to the FSD (which was only introduced by Sirius in 3278) is in the ‘Early Hyperspace’ tourist beacon:
“The 22nd century saw early pioneering projects begin to take shape. The discovery of a workable hyperspace theory and the design of the first unreliable, inefficient and slow 'faster than light' drive (compared to those we are used to in 3300) opened the possibility of exploration and settlement. <snip>”
The problem therein being that it mentions a hyperspace theory and a ftl drive. - so the ftl drive could just be referring to a hyperdrive (as opposed to a ‘warp’ drive).
The ‘Founding of the Federation’ galnet article talks about it being the inventions of the hyperdrive which resulted in an explosion of exploration:
“Many different factors changed humanity’s outlook after that <the Third World War in the mid-21st Century>. The rise of the corporations, the discovery of the first fossils on Mars, and the explosive exploration triggered by the invention of the hyperdrive by Li Qin Jao and others in the 22nd century, first by unmanned probes, then with manned craft, overtaking the generation ships sent in the previous decades.”
That certainly seems to suggest that it was indeed a hyperdrive, not a supercruise-esque drive.
It also suggests that it was indeed travel via hyperspace which was used for humanity’s early exploration of space.
Based on all that I think it’s indeed the case that ftl travel, in the first few centuries of expansion out of Sol at least, was via hyperspace.
The barriers to large transportation using hyperspace that MB talks about are safety and the sheer amount energy needed for a jump for vessels of that size.
So, the colonisation of Achenar would have been by a fleet of small ships travelling via hyperspace.
From what we know, hyperspace doesn’t correspond linearly to normal space, but I think very short distance ‘point, jump, and hope’ have been described as being possible. So I think for the Achenar colonisation, it’s probably a very long series of small jumps, with various staging/gathering/resupply points thrown in. Something that might be worth some speculation is whether the route would have been through interstellar space rather than going via systems. It’d mean there’s be a lot less risk of coming out of hyperspace too close to a star or planet. On the other hand it would mean nowhere to resupply or that could be stopped at if the final destination became non-viable. So I’d imagine it was mostly via interstellar space, with a few systems as staging points along the way.
As you said at in your post it’d be good if we could get some clarification. And I’d imagine that at least some info on the journey to Achenar would actually just be publicly available in the ED universe.
Edit - with apologies if by ‘warp’ you meant hyperspace - if so just disregard the non-pertinent parts of the post!
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Exactly - this is how I envisioned it as well.
At an bubble scale, during that time the traversing between these points of interest within this sphere of influence, logically ought not to include those sectors of unexplored space ‘off the beaten track’, therefore if this logic was applied by FD then we only need search along these paths.
Given the alleged statement about a Cmdr supposedly entering the system then moving on, what behaviour was that Cmdr employing? Logically they would either have applied an economical or fastest route plan? Who knows maybe it was random and arbitrary.
But my point is if true we need only focus upon these relationship lines…unless of course FD simply placed it randomly.
At an bubble scale, during that time the traversing between these points of interest within this sphere of influence, logically ought not to include those sectors of unexplored space ‘off the beaten track’, therefore if this logic was applied by FD then we only need search along these paths.
Given the alleged statement about a Cmdr supposedly entering the system then moving on, what behaviour was that Cmdr employing? Logically they would either have applied an economical or fastest route plan? Who knows maybe it was random and arbitrary.
But my point is if true we need only focus upon these relationship lines…unless of course FD simply placed it randomly.
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BUT, wasn't the great potato hunt supposed to exhaustively survey each and every star system with 200 ly of Sol?
If they really did that conscientiously, and honked and scanned & mapped every body in those systems, including all asteroid clusters (& all the asteroids within each cluster-the Raxxla logo could indicate a hidden asteroid base!) then either:
1) Raxxla aint there, or (methinks more likely, given the first rumour clue)
2) Raxxla (or the omphalos gateway to it) is disguised as something quite ordinary, and just hasn't been recognised, or
3) Raxxla isn't detectable by normal scanners, so possibly disguised as a comet?? Since these are the only body types we currently know of that aren't detectable
Have you checked the potato hunt and conducted a quality control audit?
Edit: and while comets might not be visually implemented, I’m assuming they just might impact the spawn point of USS like planets etc do. What if the omphalos spawn is like a USS but possibly unlabelled?
If they really did that conscientiously, and honked and scanned & mapped every body in those systems, including all asteroid clusters (& all the asteroids within each cluster-the Raxxla logo could indicate a hidden asteroid base!) then either:
1) Raxxla aint there, or (methinks more likely, given the first rumour clue)
2) Raxxla (or the omphalos gateway to it) is disguised as something quite ordinary, and just hasn't been recognised, or
3) Raxxla isn't detectable by normal scanners, so possibly disguised as a comet?? Since these are the only body types we currently know of that aren't detectable
Have you checked the potato hunt and conducted a quality control audit?
Edit: and while comets might not be visually implemented, I’m assuming they just might impact the spawn point of USS like planets etc do. What if the omphalos spawn is like a USS but possibly unlabelled?
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To my eyes the search of the GPH isn’t so ‘robust’, being reliant on scanners…
I think if Raxxla is within this sphere of influence then yes, it ought to ping on the scanners, because if the statement about someone flying through it was true, then they didn’t look, ergo they didn’t see, therefore it should be detectable via normal means…but what is normal means?
It could need some element of direct interaction or visual identification, it may ping up on the scanners, but may not resolve as ‘here’s Raxxla’. As you say it could be hidden in plain sight.
Thats why I’ve not engaged with the GPH, I think it’s a great incentive, but I’m not one for grinding.
My gut tells me there ought to be a clue within the codex which could help focus that search, ploughing through light years of unrelated space is a tremendous effort which ultimately may present a false positive, as someone could likely fly straight past it.
I still applaud the effort and its likely to resolve something. But if they find nothing they need to check their biases and assess how they present those findings.
Raxxla could also be just outside this sphere of influence… or the location may not actually relate to Raxxla at all but another clue, with Raxxla elsewhere?
And we all may just be over thinking it.
From a logical standpoint the Tau Ceti date is a very obvious clue, as it indicates a sphere of influence.
But there is still the possibility it’s just boulderdash and hogwash.
I would like the alleged 2016 statement disproved/corroborated; if true we need to ask the question - why is no one else talking? if true what could it identify? It’s a date specific statement; if true is it true now as it was then; they DiD change something…. Is everything pre-Codex no longer reliable?
Again I still cannot shake the suspicion its currently narratively locked. It’s FD MO - it’s what they do…
I do believe it historically WAS accessible, either intentionally or more likely unintentionally… and I also suspect FD have amended their narrative over time to suit….
Or it’s just over there, under the cat.
I think if Raxxla is within this sphere of influence then yes, it ought to ping on the scanners, because if the statement about someone flying through it was true, then they didn’t look, ergo they didn’t see, therefore it should be detectable via normal means…but what is normal means?
It could need some element of direct interaction or visual identification, it may ping up on the scanners, but may not resolve as ‘here’s Raxxla’. As you say it could be hidden in plain sight.
Thats why I’ve not engaged with the GPH, I think it’s a great incentive, but I’m not one for grinding.
My gut tells me there ought to be a clue within the codex which could help focus that search, ploughing through light years of unrelated space is a tremendous effort which ultimately may present a false positive, as someone could likely fly straight past it.
I still applaud the effort and its likely to resolve something. But if they find nothing they need to check their biases and assess how they present those findings.
Raxxla could also be just outside this sphere of influence… or the location may not actually relate to Raxxla at all but another clue, with Raxxla elsewhere?
And we all may just be over thinking it.
From a logical standpoint the Tau Ceti date is a very obvious clue, as it indicates a sphere of influence.
But there is still the possibility it’s just boulderdash and hogwash.
I would like the alleged 2016 statement disproved/corroborated; if true we need to ask the question - why is no one else talking? if true what could it identify? It’s a date specific statement; if true is it true now as it was then; they DiD change something…. Is everything pre-Codex no longer reliable?
Again I still cannot shake the suspicion its currently narratively locked. It’s FD MO - it’s what they do…
I do believe it historically WAS accessible, either intentionally or more likely unintentionally… and I also suspect FD have amended their narrative over time to suit….
Or it’s just over there, under the cat.
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Mmm, you’re assuming Raxxla is detectable by scanners. It could be that TDW Codex “stealth station” is actually a hint that Raxxla is cloaked and wont be detectable by scanning.
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That is a presumption yes, off the assumption that the ‘statement’ was accurate. Off the assumption that MB in a livestream showed he didn’t like how the scanner ‘showed everything’. And the presumption FD have given us these tools to use…
Yes in that respect if the above is true it could resolve within a scanner. But I also asked what is normal means?
It could be rank locked; it could be mission locked; it could be permit locked; and equally it could be silent running (most likely) and need the old mki eyeball scanner.
I totally agree. Any search of any system, would need a total overkill of every exhaustive measure to find it.
Which is why I am looking for methods to resolve what information we have and identify any potential ‘hotspots’ to focus upon.
Yes in that respect if the above is true it could resolve within a scanner. But I also asked what is normal means?
It could be rank locked; it could be mission locked; it could be permit locked; and equally it could be silent running (most likely) and need the old mki eyeball scanner.
I totally agree. Any search of any system, would need a total overkill of every exhaustive measure to find it.
Which is why I am looking for methods to resolve what information we have and identify any potential ‘hotspots’ to focus upon.
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That is very much debatable... this is me dropping at its expected location (one of the ones I found):
I personally found at least 5 unique asteroid belt clusters regions...
All "empty" because I might have dropped far from it, but still inside its "region of influence".
But as there's no "target-to-drop" signal, we're unable to confirm what's inside or if there's anything at all.
Again... Sol system is a "hand-crafted" system. One which has been receiving updates on its contents...
The system from where it was found an Alien relic on Mars, reports of Raxxla existence arrived...
Therefore, I wouldn't rule anything out at this point.
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This is my personnal suspicion... that in order to find Raxxla:
1. You'd have to "know in advance" where it is located;
2. Fly there in SC and drop on its region as I did with the Asteroid belt in Sol;
3. Honk, scan and it might appear on your ship's left-side pannel.
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As there is no clusters in logs i'm very surprised you dropped in it
The video cannot be debatable, i agree
I'm heading right now to Sol to see what happens exactly in logs, maybe the order of bodies is changed
Forgot the update...
But important thing in patch note:
Codex: Knowledge Base
I hope we will get some updated info/clues
But important thing in patch note:
Codex: Knowledge Base
- The following articles have been added:
- Aegis
- The Consortium
- Generation Ships
- Pilots' Federation
- Several entries under “Corporations”
- Ishmael Palin’s entry was updated.
- The Guardians section saw a terminology correction.
I hope we will get some updated info/clues
I'm getting near the point I want a big cross in the galmap saying "here be
Ah, thanks. Then it's a case of the missing star system in the database - I am not storing an entire (discovered) galaxy as it will be a pain with the database size and performance to have every unimportant star system there and it's rarely needed anyway. The region selected is the only way in this case I am afraid.Hey Art,
If i search by galactic region it works, however not by just the system name
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Have you ever considered the phrase "a place that is not a place, a door that is also the key" might just mean you are looking for something of a more non-traditional nature (in other words the Great Potato Hunt was doomed from the start). It's probably a real thing but very much defies normal coventions of things and places. The crazier thing is its commonplace yet uncommon in the Elite Universe. It can be found in brief fleeting moments and some entities possess it as a natural ability.BUT, wasn't the great potato hunt supposed to exhaustively survey each and every star system with 200 ly of Sol?
If they really did that conscientiously, and honked and scanned & mapped every body in those systems, including all asteroid clusters (& all the asteroids within each cluster-the Raxxla logo could indicate a hidden asteroid base!) then either:
1) Raxxla aint there, or (methinks more likely, given the first rumour clue)
2) Raxxla (or the omphalos gateway to it) is disguised as something quite ordinary, and just hasn't been recognised, or
3) Raxxla isn't detectable by normal scanners, so possibly disguised as a comet?? Since these are the only body types we currently know of that aren't detectable
Have you checked the potato hunt and conducted a quality control audit?
Edit: and while comets might not be visually implemented, I’m assuming they just might impact the spawn point of USS like planets etc do. What if the omphalos spawn is like a USS but possibly unlabelled?
Hint: there is one other piece of lore we know just as little about as Raxxla (possibly even less). It's in "The Dark Wheel" novella (I cannot speak for the prior games as I never played them) and was key role prior to the first commercial availability of the modern FSD but not a trace has ever even been found to substantiate its existence beyond rumors and tales of old.
Maybe this will help.. "Betwixt, Between, and Becoming: On Liminality and Embracing the Precarious In-Between".
The question, at this point, is more of what are the exact requirements to activate it.
From dictionary.com:
liminality
Liminality from dictionary.com
[ lim-uh-nal-i-tee ]noun Anthropology.
the transitional period or phase of a rite of passage, during which the participant lacks social status or rank, remains anonymous, shows obedience and humility, and follows prescribed forms of conduct, dress, etc.
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Ah ok no problem, Cheers I thought it would work on distances calculated no bother, and love the work you doAh, thanks. Then it's a case of the missing star system in the database - I am not storing an entire (discovered) galaxy as it will be a pain with the database size and performance to have every unimportant star system there and it's rarely needed anyway. The region selected is the only way in this case I am afraid.
I think the problem with this in terms of logic is several-fold:
- There’s nothing to say that the rumour of Raxxla resulted from the discovery of Raxxla itself (there are certainly hints in the codex that it didn’t)
- Assuming that the rumour started with the discovery of something outside of Sol, there’s nothing to say it was as a result of a jump that went right.
- Similar, but for the following - it being discovered on a manned journey, it being discovered on a publicly acknowledged journey, etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s not an avenue worth considering, just that we can’t draw any definitive conclusions about the location of Raxxla based on it. It’s a good first cut of things though.
(Personally, my take on stuff like this is that the best approach to take is to look into it in its own right, with looking for Raxxla disregarded. Better to see what we can work out in general, and then see if that info tells us anything about Raxxla. Even if it doesn’t end up telling us anything about Raxxla, it might tell us about something else. And who knows, given what little we know about Raxxla, that something else might actually turn out to be connected with Raxxla.)
Has anyone seriously looked into why the Frontier gazette says Altair should have 20 bodies but has 5 planets in Elite Dangerous. Ackcanphi should have had earth-like but is just 2 stars. This is just sampling of the initial discovery reports being not even remotely close to what is in-game. There are also several systems such as Enaness that are straight up completely missing. These lore important systems. Shouldn't these match reasonably closely. Even factoring in 2296 - 3308 is 1,012 years and it has been 1,211 years since the first generation ship (2097 per Galnet) there should be at least reasonable consistency. I could understand if one of the systems was Jackson's Lighthouse which per the system description the binary stars formed the magnetar in 2672. I mean if key pieces are gone the immediate assumption should not be retconn but that maybe you need to look nearby or see if the system had a name change over all those centuries.
I can’t place it, but essentially FD did go on record saying all the old systems from previous games which are placed in ED are not canon.
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