Jorki... any idea why the Pilots' Federation Local Branch is in control but no influence and not a minor faction in the system as far as I can see.... have I missed something?

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Not as far as I’m aware. It looks to me like FD want PF to be beyond any possible involvement in PowerPlay (though that’s never interested me so I dont have any experience with it, other than getting some of Aisling’s Prismatic Shields).

It fits my hypothesis that PF are driven by Guardian remnants, either AI or descendents of emigants, who have been pulling the strings behind humanity’s development for a long time (wouldn’t be surprised if we were originally a genetically engineered prey species that have been developed into an anti-Thargoid force), and Raxxla is one of their ark ships, or perhaps the name of the Guardian/AI driving it all. I think the hints are in Ram Tah’s decodes, and the triangular motif briefly displayed on the ship’s panel (ship systems are controlled by PF) which is very similar to the Guardian obelisk signs.

P.S. I remembered the other day when I was a youth and suffered various Scottish singers on TV (my parents’ choice!) at New Years Eve; a favourite song was “a wee dock and doris”. I was musing the other day what this was actually about and googled it- turns out “wee Deoch an' Doris” is Gaelic for “one for the road”, literally “one for the door” and doris is Gaelic for door.
I remembered the old SD (now deleted) mission that said “A certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth” ....

There’s a Doris system in-game. Just finished searching it,
There is a facility with tunnels orbiting Doris 9 (“the outermost rim”?) but dived all that I could see...
nothing found. 🥺
 
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invitation accepted but no magic happened
Are you triple elite?
Maybe you have to meet up with them in-game...

Edit: as Rochester suggested, maybe whoever next gets this strange friend request on attaining triple elite should raise it with FD customer support since it implies someone has access to other players’ information!
 
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Not as far as I’m aware. It looks to me like FD want PF to be beyond any possible involvement in PowerPlay (though that’s never interested me so I dont have any experience with it, other than getting some of Aisling’s Prismatic Shields).
So we're these in game expansions before they removed the PF from the BGS in systems or placed there by FD?
 
invitation accepted but no magic happened
These fellows never replied a single in-game message (from me)... so, not sure what kind of magic you were expecting. My suggestion is try to meet them, see where they're going and what they are doing.
 
So we're these in game expansions before they removed the PF from the BGS in systems or placed there by FD?
Mmm, my memory is poor, but I think PFLB have always been in Shinrarta. I remember something happening along the lines of PF (which clique??) being made a superpower, but dont know the details. I did try googling this a month or so ago, but my googlefu is weak...

I usually rely on Han_Zen for such historical facts, but not seen him here recently.
 
Mmm, my memory is poor, but I think PFLB have always been in Shinrarta. I remember something happening along the lines of PF (which clique??) being made a superpower, but dont know the details. I did try googling this a month or so ago, but my googlefu is weak...

I usually rely on Han_Zen for such historical facts, but not seen him here recently.
Pilots of Federation was a faction in Shinrarta Dezhra... at some point they became a (hidden) SuperPower and now we have PF Local Branches. It took place about 4-5 years ago...
 
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Mmm, my memory is poor, but I think PFLB have always been in Shinrarta. I remember something happening along the lines of PF (which clique??) being made a superpower, but dont know the details. I did try googling this a month or so ago, but my googlefu is weak...

I usually rely on Han_Zen for such historical facts, but not seen him here recently.
I don’t think the PF being made a superpower was something that came from FD.

Pretty sure it was just players coming up with a sensible figurative explanation for the PF rep notifications that came from killing Thargs. - it wasn’t a minor faction rep change, plus there’d also been the reports of people getting rep changes with the Thargoids, so the PF rep changes made most sense as being with an overarching version of the PF.
 
Mmm, my memory is poor, but I think PFLB have always been in Shinrarta. I remember something happening along the lines of PF (which clique??) being made a superpower, but dont know the details. I did try googling this a month or so ago, but my googlefu is weak...

I usually rely on Han_Zen for such historical facts, but not seen him here recently.
Defo in Founder's World from the start... I was one of the backers who got access by mistake...

I thought they stopped the BGS stuff for the PF because players were trying to make it expand out of there and other's trying to kick them out (which is why i asked if they were there because of players or placed by FD)... but my memory is bad too... ;-)
 
Are you triple elite?
Maybe you have to meet up with them in-game...

Edit: as Rochester suggested, maybe whoever next gets this strange friend request on attaining triple elite should raise it with FD customer support since it implies someone has access to other players’ information!
to be precise, the quadruple Elite. Recently introduced the ability to increase the rank of Elite to Elite 1, 2, and so on. Seeing player information is not difficult, as most people use handy programs, including Inara. Beginners forget to turn off various settings there .. write about this to support service, they will not be able to do anything, since there is no confirmation of the actual use of any resources. It's better to write to David Braben on Twitter to give some more hint... for the hundredth time, he will give up and shouting "THEY GOT ME!!!" come up with something
 
Defo in Founder's World from the start... I was one of the backers who got access by mistake...

I thought they stopped the BGS stuff for the PF because players were trying to make it expand out of there and other's trying to kick them out (which is why i asked if they were there because of players or placed by FD)... but my memory is bad too... ;-)
Yeah, I would suspect that the Pilots Federation Local Branches were what the name implies, and were just done as minor factions for the lack of having something more suitable in place. Which is all fine until people start treating them as a minor faction, at which point they would have to be locked to keep them as they’re supposed to be.

There’s been PF factions in the old starter area (Asellus Primus area) for quite a while. They’re just there to give a few one-off starter missions to introduce them to a few different aspects of the game. They don’t have normal BGS generated missions. I would suspect they’re locked, but haven’t checked, other than to note that they seem to be ever present.
 
Defo in Founder's World from the start... I was one of the backers who got access by mistake...

I thought they stopped the BGS stuff for the PF because players were trying to make it expand out of there and other's trying to kick them out (which is why i asked if they were there because of players or placed by FD)... but my memory is bad too... ;-)
Are you a baсker? do you remember which system was given only for baсkers?
 
I don’t think the PF being made a superpower was something that came from FD.

Pretty sure it was just players coming up with a sensible figurative explanation for the PF rep notifications that came from killing Thargs. - it wasn’t a minor faction rep change, plus there’d also been the reports of people getting rep changes with the Thargoids, so the PF rep changes made most sense as being with an overarching version of the PF.
There's an Official Response from Frontier on this thread:

Which quotes:
Hi there,

Feature.

The pilots federation is no longer a faction, they are now a superpower.

They still own assets, though. Like Jameson Memorial.

I think they own the starter stations (Trevithick Dock and Beagle 2 Landing) now, too.

Thanks,
Dom

Cheers!
 
Are you a baсker? do you remember which system was given only for baсkers?
Shinrata Dhezra/Founders world was the the system that was only supposed to be for Kickstarter backers (and Elite ranked pilots), I bought in at the beta stage and they accidentally let us in and decided not to revoke access... not aware of any others...
 
There's an Official Response from Frontier on this thread:

Which quotes:


Cheers!
From that page too: "One benefit: no more lock-down in Shinrarta Dehzra, as the PF is now decoupled from the BGS."

That was it.... forever in lockdown & shutting off services there, I knew there was a fuss about BGS there.... :)

Still doesn't answer if the other systems were as a result of expansion or put in by FD tho.... I wonder if there's a way to find out....
 
Shinrata Dhezra/Founders world was the the system that was only supposed to be for Kickstarter backers (and Elite ranked pilots), I bought in at the beta stage and they accidentally let us in and decided not to revoke access... not aware of any others...
as far as I remember, there were POIs from the very release, and if Dаvid says that a regular scanner is enough for us. Maybe it makes sense to check the POI/source signals in Shinrarta? ...especially near the 8th moon
 
This should be considered fact at this point. I know I have heard several separate accounts from people I know who were in the room when it was said, but we have a video from Ascorbius saying he was in the room when it was said, Video link for reference https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SnappyScaryMousePupper.
Yep I and several Delta Squadron members was at the same Q&A but as no one recorded it some people are reluctant to believe that Michael Brooks said what he said.
 
A sources reliability is verified either through competence or veracity based upon previous evidence and experience, if either cannot be met, and in this case it cannot, they have to be classed as not reliable.

That source stated it was a first person account, therefore initially it would be classed rather highly as Known directly – ‘information known first-hand by the source’.

The initial score of not reliable and known directly, means ultimately without corroboration or experience, we cannot trust the information currently.

A good example would be Drew, he has a higher reliability score (subjectively) due to his involvement with the fan base over decades and FD regards ED; being a writer his career would suffer if he gave a false account. But he never really over egged the statements and always left it open for discussion.

Drew himself does allude to some corroboration on these forums, but is pretty vague.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9349898

On the whole the only questions this raises initially is why no one has ever gone on record to corroborate it; the second is what would this actually prove

The first can either be because A: it’s false; B: no one else remembers. C: FD issued an NDA. D: witnesses refuse out of loyalty. E: it provides witnesses an advantage.

Option A is likely because it can be used as a method to generate interest and an audience for the informant (eg viewership), however being proved wrong would have a negative impact. However any press is good press(!).

Option B is highly likely, as time and alcohol may be a factor or simply no one else heard / understood it correctly. Time is a great factor because historically information looses veracity if it is not actively relevant.

Option C is highly unlikely (but not impossible) as it implies FD paid everyone off, and inflates Raxxla’s importance overly dramatically which only feeds into option A.

Option D is realistically possible because it assumes the employee or FD would be tarnished somehow, or it reveals some game mechanism error. However similar statements have been made since to no detriment and it implies that like option C that such information has some great import, but it may not.

Option E is likely, but only if such temporal knowledge provides a clue, which isn’t logical as such information can be still correlated, unless it involves more information than initially reported, again this feeds into option A.

Overall if true it’s possible everyone who attended cant truly rely on recollection alone, and doubt has set in, some may possess a sense of loyalty or know it’s better not to cast aspersions, incase it generates a false memory.

If the revealing of this knowledge impacted FD negatively, one has to further ask why?

Overall on its own the statement lends no information on how to find Raxxla; however if confirmed to be true it would support all the other evidence provided to this date, that Raxxla truly was in game; and above all, it would confirm it was ‘accessible’. Is that a big deal?

Again context has to be thrown into this mix, this information is potentially out of date, it may also be out of context if it predates other information, or it could relate to something no longer in game, because FD has removed things since 2017.

If there doesn’t exist any additional information, or if the date of said statement doesn’t correlate to some in game temporal knowledge, one could presume it reveals some in game element or more probable a flaw, FD don’t want to comment, simply because this would confirm this and relates to something historical about the game they don’t feel comfortable about.

What could that be is subjective, however following previous examples, FD’s general modus operandi, the fact that a lot of lore got purged in around 2017 and the Dark Wheel missions were removed in or around that period of 2016/2017, it could I presume allude to the DW missions which no longer exists.

If that holds up and someone randomly found the system and was let in, it insinuates it could have been bugged. Hence all the brew-ha-ha…

More realistically however, is it’s liable to have been just an Easter egg hunt; FD don’t care too much about it; yeah some Cmdr went there but didn’t scan the system (a common play style (it likely was me, I used to do it all the time!)); FD keep a tight lip simply because - well that’s the professional way to go, and it only increases their PR and we are all generally over inflating this.

Overall without further proof, it’s subjective and should not inform on our ongoing investigations as it is an intelligence gap, at most counter-intelligence and ought to be treated with scepticism.

Although my suspicions are it’s more likely to be accurate.
 
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This should be considered fact at this point. I know I have heard several separate accounts from people I know who were in the room when it was said, but we have a video from Ascorbius saying he was in the room when it was said, Video link for reference https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SnappyScaryMousePupper.
Disagreed (partially). Ascorbius is a good fella, and I'm more than happy to believe him that something was said. It's the exact wording that's the issue. I've seen more than enough misreporting of things where there's an actual video and everyone can see exactly what was said. Given that, I'd never take someone's version of what was said as being verbatim. Especially not with something said by Michael Brookes, who's prone to being a bit mischievous and cryptic.
 
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