The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Jorki Rasalas]

The argument against ascorbius is just whether or not he is lieing.

No, the argument is that it is an unsubstantiated report about what happened.
I actually believe it is likely to have been said, on the basis that it tells us absolutely no useful information, which was the norm for MB’s clues, and I have no reason to disbelieve Ascorbius’ report. But because it is unsubstantiated the confidence is low.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

You could argue you can reduce the search parameters/hypothesis? (Which has been mentioned here many times, and which are as valid as any other thought on the subject outside of DB and MB! - I think this causes some issues with people accepting it might actually be a lead as the implications might mean it no longer fits in with their thoughts? )

If you consider the evidence worth considering then you could :
Reduce the possible systems to one's visited and scanned before Lavecon 2017?
That assuming nothing has changed you could find the system in question with the functionality available at the time?
That it might not appear in the navigation panel, etc because of a honk?
How did FD know they had honked and left? - first to visit and sell the data? 1st level scan only?
Assume "one person" had been through the system honked and left, which suggests it's a not well visited system at the time & most likely uninhabited if near the bubble? - So Sol, Shin Rez, Old worlds, etc less likely?
Likely to have been an explorer if they were the first in the system and uninhabited.... if so perhaps a boring looking system of little value in terms of exploration data?

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” - Sherlock Homes”



And small correction on hearsay/alleged rumour from the link you supplied

"For example, to prove that Tom was in town, a witness testifies, "Susan told me that Tom was in town." Because the witness's evidence relies on an out-of-court statement that Susan made, if Susan is unavailable for cross-examination, the answer is hearsay."

You only need David for cross-examination if someone else other than Ascorbius made the claim.. he claimed he heard it and was present in the room at the time it was said... not that someone else told him it happened...There is no "Susan" as in the example above in the account just an "eye witness" (Ascorbius) as they would be called in Law

"Noun
eyewitness (plural eyewitnesses)

1. Someone who sees an event and can report or testify about it. [from 16th c.]"

I dont know on what grounds you could reduce the search parameters. As far as I know it is not possible to get hold of the system data reported (I presume to EDSM, since we cannot access UC data from FD) before Lavecon17. Happy to be corrected if anyone knows of a way.

As for FD knowing the system had been visited, presumably they have a tell in that system; maybe it was permit-locked and they can read what permits have been granted (must be able to do this as they can tell if you become triple elite), or they knew through UC data sales. I’d bet they know when Raxxla is found!!

No, I think you’re falling into a logic trap- that "one person had been through the system honked and left” does not mean that it is uninhabited, or unexplored. It could be that two, a hundred, or several thousands of pilots had visited the system but not noticed Raxxla. MB is very careful and adept at choosing his phrasing!

I think this is the trap that people are falling into, and why this rumour keeps resurfacing. But if you look carefully at the logic there is no useful information in it.

No, I think I’m right about the evidential assessment. Ascorbius says he heard MB say this statement. I think that is hearsay. We cannot cross examine MB, the (alleged) source of the statement to determine if that statement is true. The question is not whether or not Ascorbius heard the statement; the question is whether a pilot had visited the system and honked but did not (for whatever reason) notice the presence of something we know as Raxxla.

But as I reiterate, the statement tells us nothing useful!!

 

[ScolioTheMost]

Raxxla was here before thargoids and guardians and for that reason it can't be found by looking at thargoid or guardian stuff.
Raxxla is DB creation and for that reason there is no way someone besides him could just change it. MB helped DB coded and hide it. I think only those 2 knows where it is, if any of Fdev would have known raxxla location they would have already leaked it or sold that information to someone like they leak so many informations to certain group.

p.s. when one of Fdevs says they know where it is, they mean "we know it is somewhere inside milky way" lol

We actually do not know if it is older than the Guardians or Thargoids. Raxxla is actually Robert Holdstock's creation that predates any Elite game. That being said it's implementation into the game was done by MB as you suggested. If I remember correctly he was going to write it as a book, but figured it would be better in the game.

 

[ScolioTheMost]

No, I think I’m right about the evidential assessment. Ascorbius says he heard MB say this statement. I think that is hearsay. We cannot cross examine MB, the (alleged) source of the statement to determine if that statement is true. The question is not whether or not Ascorbius heard the statement; the question is whether a pilot had visited the system and honked but did not (for whatever reason) notice the presence of something we know as Raxxla.

But as I reiterate, the statement tells us nothing useful!!

I agree the statement is almost entirely useless, but I know enough people, from different groups who were in that room and quoted it verbatim, MB said it. All it tells us is that we can enter the system it is in, but we don't know if we can see it or identify it in any useful way. The mechanics (or non-mechanics) behind it are unknown.

 

[Noobilite]

No, the argument is that it is an unsubstantiated report about what happened.
I actually believe it is likely to have been said, on the basis that it tells us absolutely no useful information, which was the norm for MB’s clues, and I have no reason to disbelieve Ascorbius’ report. But because it is unsubstantiated the confidence is low.

No, the video link has him directly saying that he saw it. That means he's either lieing or isn't lieing. You are missing something in this conversation. And what the definition of the words you are using are. Yes, it is unsubstantiated wether or not he is telling the truth. But it's a first person testimony that he saw it. Unless you assume there are other such statements and someone said it about a person they know that also heard it at which point that is, "hearsay". Hearsay is saying another person saw something. It's a third person argument. This is a first person statement. The definition of hearsay cannot be from the first person. That is not what the word means.

We're just stating what the words mean.

 

[Rochester]

As I iterated, the statement is a first person account, it’s known directly to the source. However it’s unreliable because no one else has gone on record here to corroborated it, or the sources reliability cannot be judged with certainty, due to experience eg has he provided similar information in the past which was reliable, have they reliable traits etc which one can use to re-assess the source as reliable?

This is not a polemic truism, rather a grading system, the higher the score the more reliable the information becomes, if it becomes key information it then can be analysed against other information to produce an assessment, until then it’s an assumption.

Does it potentially reveal something?
Yes that at that point in time it was accessible. Being accessible (unless altered or bugged) means it was not a narrative element and could be found in game using normal methods.

Technically at no point do FD confirm Raxxla is accessible. Only that it’s in game.

@David Braben himself used the galaxy map to describe something as being ‘in game and accessible’ when that element was technically not.

Source: https://youtu.be/7HOUQN_qaHI


It’s a pedantic point of view but, it’s glaring absence makes me very suspicious of FD motives, they did change things…after this point in time.

Does this statement have a relationship; does it directly or indirectly identify some error, bug or something about the development? That’s subjective, and not my primary objective, rather to obtain evidence Raxxla can be found now, as there remains an equal probability it could be narrative, in which case such efforts are mute.

Unless there was some specific temporal event which helps further identify it, or the FD employee said something else which helps identify a location; it really doesn’t help us locate Raxxla.

If we can identify the exact date of the statement and we can ‘assume’ it occurred within the bubble (unless FD changed it) then it ought to be within the sphere of influence, identified later by the Codex (Tau Ceti date).

Not everyone submitted data to the mapping project shown below but it can help identify a heat spot of activity if the above is true… or identify locations not explored…

Context is vitally important as it may help identify something or sharpen our perspective against nostalgia.

The statement came out prior to the Codex so if true it may only inform of data we now know (the sphere of influence) so technically at most it could be supportive evidence, it may not identify anything directly, nor nefarious, but it could be used to back up questions aimed at FD relatively.

But if we can have corroboration we can all accept the account as correct. Until then it has to be ignored as an intelligence gap, let we muddy the waters with our biases.

Source: https://youtu.be/fwisMkVJ_Fk

 

[Cunder]

Well I ran into something interesting while listening to some tv series that talked about a conquistador Francisco Vazquez de Coronado. At first I thought they were going to say El Dorado or use that nope they use a whole new name I never heard of. Cibola also known as Seven Cities of Cibola. I check for EDSM Chibola and there is only 1 system by that name not sure if unfortunate that is a populated System of 760 thousand. I'll have check it when I can and see what that system has. It also names associated to Lost Cities.

I haven't played much ED, but I still take time to look into other stuff for Raxxla that's the only thing that hasn't stopped. Usually I keep an ear/eye to things that are interesting and might fit Raxxla codex.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

No, the video link has him directly saying that he saw it. That means he's either lieing or isn't lieing. You are missing something in this conversation. And what the definition of the words you are using are. Yes, it is unsubstantiated wether or not he is telling the truth. But it's a first person testimony that he saw it. Unless you assume there are other such statements and someone said it about a person they know that also heard it at which point that is, "hearsay". Hearsay is saying another person saw something. It's a third person argument. This is a first person statement. The definition of hearsay cannot be from the first person. That is not what the word means.

We're just stating what the words mean.

I dont think you are reading what I actually wrote. There are two separate issues under discussion here

1) Assessment of evidence
IRL things are not black or white. Lying is a conscious action to deceive, but there are many possible reasons for someone to say something which is wholly or partially incorrect. Hence any statement must be considered dispassionately as evidence, with a level of uncertainty into its veracity and a separate level of confidence in that assessment. Belief and confidence are two essential and separate factors to consider when considering evidence.

I wrote that I believe Ascorbius’ report to likely be true. The reason for my belief is that IMHO it is consistent with the way MB gave out “clues”. The fact that there are no substantiating reports to back it up just means that Ascorbius’ report must carry moderate/medium confidence when considered as a piece of evidence. I do not personally know the guy, or watch his streams, to be able assess his character or reliability as a witness. So my belief in the veracity of what he reported is 95%, but my confidence in that assessment is 50%.

His report is hearsay, because it is Ascorbius saying what MB (allegedly) said about the in-game actions relating to an unknown pilot.

Does my belief that Ascorbius’ report is likely to be correct mean that MB’s statement is correct or meaningful? No, it is hearsay. I cannot question MB to determine if that is actually what he said, or if that is what he meant to say (the two are not necessarily the same thing).

Here’s an interesting discussion on confidence and evidence
https://www.intelligencewithsteve.com/post/what-are-the-odds

2) Value of what MB allegedly said
And if we assume that Ascorbius is correct about what MB said, and if we assume that is what MB meant to say, does it help us in the Quest for Raxxla? No, because the statement is logically flawed, as I’ve previously stated and this is the crux of the matter. It does not tell us whether the system at the time was permit locked or not . It does not tell us whether or not the system is now permit locked. It does not tell us whether the system is/was populated, whether it is in the bubble or at the extremities of the galaxy. Moreover it does not tell us why Raxxla was not detected when the pilot honked the system, nor what Raxxla is. So in practice it is totally unhelpful.

 

[Han_Zen]

I dont think you are reading what I actually wrote. There are two separate issues under discussion here

1) Assessment of evidence
IRL things are not black or white. Lying is a conscious action to deceive, but there are many possible reasons for someone to say something which is wholly or partially incorrect. Hence any statement must be considered dispassionately as evidence, with a level of uncertainty into its veracity and a separate level of confidence in that assessment. Belief and confidence are two essential and separate factors to consider when considering evidence.

I wrote that I believe Ascorbius’ report to likely be true. The reason for my belief is that IMHO it is consistent with the way MB gave out “clues”. The fact that there are no substantiating reports to back it up just means that Ascorbius’ report must carry moderate/medium confidence when considered as a piece of evidence. I do not personally know the guy, or watch his streams, to be able assess his character or reliability as a witness. So my belief in the veracity of what he reported is 95%, but my confidence in that assessment is 50%.

His report is hearsay, because it is Ascorbius saying what MB (allegedly) said about the in-game actions relating to an unknown pilot.

Does my belief that Ascorbius’ report is likely to be correct mean that MB’s statement is correct or meaningful? No, it is hearsay. I cannot question MB to determine if that is actually what he said, or if that is what he meant to say (the two are not necessarily the same thing).

Here’s an interesting discussion on confidence and evidence
https://www.intelligencewithsteve.com/post/what-are-the-odds

2) Value of what MB allegedly said
And if we assume that Ascorbius is correct about what MB said, and if we assume that is what MB meant to say, does it help us in the Quest for Raxxla? No, because the statement is logically flawed, as I’ve previously stated and this is the crux of the matter. It does not tell us whether the system at the time was permit locked or not . It does not tell us whether or not the system is now permit locked. It does not tell us whether the system is/was populated, whether it is in the bubble or at the extremities of the galaxy. Moreover it does not tell us why Raxxla was not detected when the pilot honked the system, nor what Raxxla is. So in practice it is totally unhelpful.

If the statement is true and accurate, it tells us a few things.

1. Raxxla is in a dull system that normally wouldn't be worth scanning.
2. Regular scanning will not reveal Raxxla. If the System was visited that many years ago it has been scanned a hundred times, by ow.
3. Raxxla is probably close to or inn the bubble. Even though many far systems had been visited at the time, the percentage chance of hitting a specific random, far out system was very low.

 

[Zieman]

If the statement is true and accurate, it tells us a few things.

1. Raxxla is in a dull system that normally wouldn't be worth scanning.
2. Regular scanning will not reveal Raxxla. If the System was visited that many years ago it has been scanned a hundred times, by ow.
3. Raxxla is probably close to or inn the bubble. Even though many far systems had been visited at the time, the percentage chance of hitting a specific random, far out system was very low.

Belt Clusters

 

[Han_Zen]

Belt Clusters

Yeah. Ring objects i general are interesting. Stellar and planetary rings are probably basically the same object, in the code. If FD can manipulate the density of rocks in a ring, they could have very few or even a singular rock orbiting whatever they want. Planetary rings aren't scannable without probes and they require visual contact.

We know from Sol that ring can be 'empty'. There could be similar setups in other systems.

 

[Zieman]

And AFAIK some CG search goal was hidden in one (belt cluster), not visible by scanning the cluster(s), you had to enter the cluster to find it.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

If the statement is true and accurate, it tells us a few things.

1. Raxxla is in a dull system that normally wouldn't be worth scanning.
2. Regular scanning will not reveal Raxxla. If the System was visited that many years ago it has been scanned a hundred times, by ow.
3. Raxxla is probably close to or inn the bubble. Even though many far systems had been visited at the time, the percentage chance of hitting a specific random, far out system was very low.

Hey, welcome back stranger! Been on holiday?

Mmm, no, I think to an extent I disagree with you on this.
1. The system was apparently honked by the pilot before he jumped out, so to an extent it was worth scanning. But the scanner may have been Basic or Intermediate, so not necessarily scanned everything, & the pilot may have been in a hurry to get somewhere so scanning this system was low priority (honk & scoot). It’s also possible the scanner was Advanced and the whole system was scanned, but for some unknown reason Raxxla wasnt detected. This latter is, I think, the most likely since MB said of Raxxla: “it‘s something in the game world (not text) and very hard to find”, “it’s not a random thing” & “anyone can find it and more than once”.

2. This depends on where the system is located. If it’s in the bubble then what you say is likely, although possibly less likely for LYT systems. But the system could be anywhere in the galaxy, & if at the extremities then that would negate your suggestion.

3. But then the probability of randomly jumping into the Raxxla system is not zero, only small. So it could have happened (I have only just stopped buying the Euromillions lottery ticket, and we know how improbable winning that is! ).

So I say again, the alleged statement by MB is useless as a clue, but good marketing!

It is only when you start to think about this at the meta level, of how authors construct plots (MB is an author) and present (obfuscate) clues, & in DB’s sense of humour, and the contextual background, that I think the weight moves towards Raxxla being in the bubble.

The first rumour date is just before Achenar, 139 ly from Sol, was colonised. Why would FD give us that piece of information? It might be meaningless window dressing (we’ve had a lot of that from FD in the past), it might be obfuscation (Raxxla might be in deep space with the system visited by an early explorer, though I think less likely if he was honk & scooting since this implies he was on his way somewhere), or it might be a genuine clue that Raxxla is within the bubble. We have no evidence to support any of these so probability is about 30% for each. But I think about DB chortling “but you don’t know what it is” and the fact that MB has (likely) given out that (alleged) statement in a closed Q&A session, which raises the community interest level...it suggests to me and I just lean towards it being in the bubble; and possibly even within a highly popular system such as Sol. I can imagine DB’s grin when it’s found and him saying “it’s been there all this time”.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

And AFAIK some CG search goal was hidden in one (belt cluster), not visible by scanning the cluster(s), you had to enter the cluster to find it.

Yes, hidden in an asteroid cluster or planetary ring would be a good way to obfuscate Raxxla, and it fits the logo where the three arcs could indicate an asteroid base. It is for this reason that I now search a system by visiting every body including all the asteroid clusters. Planetary ring would be best, because unless you drop in within a short detection range it might not show. So I’ve been steaming around (mixed metaphor?) above rings trying to visually see a bright spot of light worth dropping in on. If there’s no visual difference between it and ring surroundings it would indeed “be very hard to find” !!!

After searching Doris (gaelic for door) I’m currently in Lillith- first wife of Adam, got uppity & thrown out of Garden of Eden so Father’s grief & Lover’s Woe. Not found anything so far!

Mmm, reconsidering the previous couple of posts....and the Mars Relic...after Lilith I might have to go back to Sol and go ring dipping around Jupiter, again!!

 

[Thatchinho]

The first rumour date is just before Achenar, 139 ly from Sol, was colonised. Why would FD give us that piece of information? It might be meaningless window dressing (we’ve had a lot of that from FD in the past), it might be obfuscation (Raxxla might be in deep space with the system visited by an early explorer, though I think less likely if he was honk & scooting since this implies he was on his way somewhere), or it might be a genuine clue that Raxxla is within the bubble. We have no evidence to support any of these so probability is about 30% for each. But I think about DB chortling “but you don’t know what it is” and the fact that MB has (likely) given out that (alleged) statement in a closed Q&A session, which raises the community interest level...it suggests to me (since my teens I’ve been an avid reader, mainly of detective mysteries and scifi, I can often guess whodoneit before the reveal even if I’ve missed clues just by the way the plot is constructed) and I just lean towards it being in the bubble; and possibly even within a highly popular system such as Sol. I can imagine DB’s grin when it’s found and him saying “it’s been there all this time”.

Just going to point out that the date is from the Codex, and what the Codex does is also compare Raxxla to El Dorado, Atlantis, and the Kingdom of Prester John. All of those are places where the legends weren’t based on the places being found. I don’t think we can just discard that hint while treating other Codex things as clues.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Just going to point out that the date is from the Codex, and what the Codex does is also compare Raxxla to El Dorado, Atlantis, and the Kingdom of Prester John. All of those are places where the legends weren’t based on the places being found. I don’t think we can just discard that hint while treating other Codex things as clues.

Mmm, Not sure I understand your point. Maybe I’m being obtuse (disturbed night, restless dog...). The codex contains plenty of stuff that is low confidence, for example the codex phrasing itself throws doubt over Lyta Crane’s veracity.

Are you saying Raxxla may be sheer myth, like El Dorado, Atlantis & Kingdom of Prester John? Those legends were founded on something: El Dorado was supposedly based on oral tradition of the Aztec annual ritual of the king being covered in gold dust and jumping into Lake Titicaca, while Atlantis was probably based on a much later interpretation by Plato of oral tradition based on the volcanic demise of Minoan civilisation & Santorini island. If you’re saying that the location does not have to have been found to start the myth, then I’d possibly agree, based on what Raxxla actually is. To start the myth it would have to have been observed somehow, some trace evidence of it perceived by someone.

The rumour first date is just the oldest document that has been found that mentions it, the myth may be much older but no document on it has been found. So I hyoothesise that the location (if in the bubble) is nearer to Sol than Achenar.

From DB and MB statements we know that its definitely something non-random in-game and not just text. And we infer it is alien from Drew’s (or Allen’s?) comment about the alien lore document. This phrasing of “Raxxla is something else”, and we “don’t know what it is” suggests to me it is not a straightforward planet or station. It might be a Guardian ark ship, disguised as an asteroid, which might have been found but the discoverer died (after telling someone else about the existence of something strange but not its location nor details). It might be a Guardian AI that is influencing Pilots Federation activities (more of a who rather than a what) and someone within the PF found out about this...

It comes down to different aspects of a story’s foundation: who, what, where, why, how

Perhaps we should ask the question of FD whether the visual artefact observed in many system maps is Raxxla? I think it was Han_Zen who pointed it out, & I remember he & I spent some time trying to track it down to a specific system, without success-in the end & we concluded it was some sort of shader/coding bug. I’d be really disappointed if that was Raxxla!

 

[Thatchinho]

Mmm, Not sure I understand your point. Maybe I’m being obtuse. The codex contains plenty of stuff that is low confidence, for example the codex phrasing itself throws doubt over Lyta Crane’s veracity.

Are you saying Raxxla may be sheer myth, like El Dorado, Atlantis & Kingdom of Prester John? Those legends were founded on something: El Dorado was supposedly based on oral tradition of the Aztec annual ritual of the king being covered in gold dust and jumping into Lake Titicaca, while Atlantis was probably based on a much later interpretation by Plato based on the volcanic demise of Santorini island. If you’re saying that the location does not have to have been found to start the myth, then I’d possibly agree, based on what Raxxla actually is. To start the myth it would have to have been observed somehow, some trace evidence of it perceived by someone.

The rumour first date is just the oldest document that has been found that mentions it, the myth may be much older but no document on it has been found.

From DB and MB statements we know that its definitely something non-random in-game and not just text. And we infer it is alien from Drew’s (or Allen’s?) comment about the alien lore document. This phrasing of “Raxxla is something else”, and we “don’t know what it is” suggests to me it is not a planet or station. It might be a Guardian ark ship, disguised as an asteroid, which might have been found but the discoverer died (after telling someone else about the existence of something strange but not its location nor details). It might be a Guardian AI that is influencing Pilots Federation activities (more of a who rather than a what) and someone within the PF found out about this...

It comes down to different aspects of a story’s foundation: who, what, where, why, how

Perhaps we should ask the question of FD whether the visual artefact observed in many system maps is Raxxla? I think it was Han_Zen who pointed it out, & I remember he & I spent some time trying to track it down to a specific system, without success-in the end & we concluded it was some sort of shader/coding bug. I’d be really disappointed if that was Raxxla!

Yeah, I’m saying that the ‘Raxxla rumour exists at X date, therefore Raxxla was found before then’ logic is not necessarily correct, and that that is an implication of the El Dorado, etc references in the Codex.

The references also suggest that the legends about Raxxla may be massive distortions of something else. (Which ties back to what you were saying in your 2nd and 4th paragraphs.)

A mild aside, but I think the origins of the word (in-game) are interesting to speculate on in this context.

Other potential origins other than the ones you’ve already mentioned:

• Visions (Halsey / Gan Romero esque)
• Mars relic or other discovered Alien Tech or Artefacts
• Direct from Mudlarks or other alien species
• Messages of unknown origin (like the one from the Thetis)

That’s putting aside any complications around hyperspace travel, such as time travel

Also worth considering that the rumours may not have started with a human. They may have come from an automated vessel, and/or an AI.

 

[Emperor]

If the statement is true and accurate, it tells us a few things.

1. Raxxla is in a dull system that normally wouldn't be worth scanning.
2. Regular scanning will not reveal Raxxla. If the System was visited that many years ago it has been scanned a hundred times, by ow.
3. Raxxla is probably close to or inn the bubble. Even though many far systems had been visited at the time, the percentage chance of hitting a specific random, far out system was very low.

Thought I

Ive asked Ascorbius for clarification. He responded that
“
It was during a closed Q&A session - I'm trying to recall whether it was Lavecon or the later ECM in Reading. It was the last Q&A Michael Brookes was at.

I'm pretty sure it was Lavecon 2017 in the Q&A. There were a load of things announced there, Crime and Punishment and the early views of AX weapons as well as Search and Rescue.
I've also just checked Michael Brookes announced he was stepping away from Elite at Lavecon 2017 so it's pretty unlikely to be the ECM Reading.

The memory is hazy given that I've been to a few Lavecons and ECMs and recollections after the fact are unreliable but I'm pretty sure it was Lavecon 2017.

But I absolutely was there when he said it, it's sad there's no footage with it being a closed Q&A, but there were a lot of people in the room.
”

BUT as Ive just explained, it is pointless to pursue this alleged rumour as it is NO HELP WHATSOEVER!

Jorki what was the question you asked him? I watched the video to refresh my memory and the only claim he actually mentions is the system has been visited... The honking and going or even scooping and leaving were suggestions...

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Thought I

Jorki what was the question you asked him? I watched the video to refresh my memory and the only claim he actually mentions is the system has been visited... The honking and going or even scooping and leaving were suggestions...

My question to Ascorbius was
“
Hi Cmdr
I watched your stream where you reported that Michael Brookes said the system where Raxxla is located had been visited and honked but Raxxla was not detected and want to check the date. It seems to be commonly accepted that this was in a closed Q&A session at Lavecon 2017, but I didn’t hear you mention the date during the stream. Can you please confirm it was 2017, or was it perhaps 2016, or maybe even 2015?
Regards
Jorki
”

Mm, you are correct, on the twitch stream clip from the first page of this thread https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SnappyScaryMousePupper he just says the system where Raxxla is has been visited. Dont know at present where the “system was honked but Raxxla wasnt detected” came from (edit: perhaps the full stream?). However, as I keep saying none of it is useful. Unless you can get the list of systems visited before Lavecon2017 and check them all!

From my FDev quotes thread in the Grinning_Crow interview with Arthur Tomlie: www.twitch.tv/videos/994802546, at 1:49:44 GC mentioned the long standing rumour that an FD representative had said the Raxxla system had been entered & honked but Raxxla was not discovered.

Edit: mmm, cant access that grinning crow interview now!

Mmmmm, and I know I had a somewhat terse conversation with someone on the Great Potato Hunt thread about this and now cant find any mention...My bad, it was on the thread that started a drive to expand TDW towards Sol...this one! https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/turning-the-wheel.546088/

However searching my own posts in this thread I mentioned a youtube (edit: in hindsight it might have been the full twitch) by Ascorbious with the full wording and I would have checked that out, unfortunately I cant now find that either!

 

[Fi5hboN3]

I’m quite curious looking at all them PSR Neutron stars. I find it strange that I can’t find PSR J1921+2153. The first ever Pulsar discovered by our very own Cambridge Dane… Joyce Bell Burnell. I Guess you could call her a space witch and a whisperer reading her bio. I’m heading to the Vulpecula dark region to have a look around, as that’s where the Pulsar is meant to be. Maybe tucked away in another whisperer at the low end of the spectrum.