It’s a game in which we’re all members of the public, and subject to lies, deceit, propaganda and manipulation by the powers that be in the game universe. That is part of the nature of the game. You can’t suddenly go ‘well that doesn’t apply to my area of interest. Any in-game info about my area of interest must be literal truth, and if not FD lied.’
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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You must be politician and if not you should be, explaining lies seems natural to you.
Codex should be collections of facts and true information and that is how EVERYONE perceive Codex as and for someone to say, no it is not, is just wrong.
It’s a game full of politics. And it’s a game where we’re subject to all the politicking.
You can’t just expect to be exempt from that.
The Codex itself doesn’t even deal in absolutes. It makes clear that there are different versions of things.
People have decided what things should be according to themselves before, and have had a shock when it turns out that’s not how the game works.
Well, I will stick with lying in Codex would be very bad and would hurt frontiers reputation a lot. I'm sure a lot of cmdrs out in the black would agree with me.It’s a game full of politics. And it’s a game where we’re subject to all the politicking.
You can’t just expect to be exempt from that.
The Codex itself doesn’t even deal in absolutes. It makes clear that there are different versions of things.
People have decided what things should be according to themselves before, and have had a shock when it turns out that’s not how the game works.
Well I completely agree that a lot of people would also construe the Codex as being words from the mouth of FD as opposed to an in-game info source, and respond accordingly. They’d be wrong, but that wouldn’t stop them, it never has so far, so I don’t imagine it’d start now.
But it’s bad form. People should pay attention to the nature of the game, and play it accordingly. They shouldn’t expect the game to revolve around what they’ve personally decided. (Like I say though, it’s not stopped people before.)
There are no valid excuses for lying in Codex.
It wouldn’t be excuses and it wouldn’t be FD lying. Construing it as FD lying would be based on a self-constructed falsehood.
Meh, they’ve covered themselves with how they’ve worded things in the Codex anyway.
If it will end up to be a lie, it is not going to be a self-constructed falsehood who will judge them for it, it is going to be thousands of players from all type of gaming community circles.It wouldn’t be excuses and it wouldn’t be FD lying. Construing it as FD lying would be based on a self-constructed falsehood.
Meh, they’ve covered themselves with how they’ve worded things in the Codex anyway.
We all have brains and we all will make our own assumptions. First of all we have to wait for Raxxla to be found.
With all that being said, I don't see a reason to continue this conversations.
My portion of Role play.
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seems a large point is missing
Expect the un-expected in the Codex
it is put together by two very large entities that are not entirely trustworthy.
Nothing to do with lore from my perspective.
Other than the lore collected since 2014 of playing this game where, I can guarantee the PF became questionable on day 1.
Cartographics did nothing for honesty along the voyage.
For me this is an experience that comes with playing the game from the beginning.
Even though there are explanations for the loss of thousands discoveries and loss of cmdrs names from early exploration, Cartographics are responsible in my eyes.
When the Codex did not exist, and some of us, me anyway did not like the idea of hidden entities tracking our every move.
My data in the codex is and has always been incorrect. It's not off by very much, but it is off.
So, I have had no faith in the Codex from its beginning.
Fudged data or rather counters that have been reset more than once.
Cartographics, all I can say is in reality, would NEVER get my cartographic data.
If it were possible, I would hunt down the office that makes changes.
And make a new entry.
I have more fear than respect for a bottomless pit of money that we never see faces from, that makes math errors and loses data, a lot.
(prg bugs or not, truth applied to history)
My statements are not because of anything fdev did to me.
My statements are very game related, due to experience in the game that changed my thoughts on these topics.
Even though some of what I have seen may well be coding and bugs and errors..
Things happened. And it makes far more sense to simply be very skeptical of what these 2 entities do and say.
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That so much trust is given to any faceless entity is very un-natural.
I support Anarchy for a reason.
When the 'Law givers' and the Corporations cannot be trusted, Anarchy is what remains.
The History we know is always written by those in control of things. Right or wrong., Truth or Lie. This is what Human history is.
The truth always requires uncovering.
But Sheep do what sheep do. And this will never change.
My trust is firmly attached to my ships hard-points.
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seems a large point is missing
Expect the un-expected in the Codex
it is put together by two very large entities that are not entirely trustworthy.
Nothing to do with lore from my perspective.
Other than the lore collected since 2014 of playing this game where, I can guarantee the PF became questionable on day 1.
Cartographics did nothing for honesty along the voyage.
For me this is an experience that comes with playing the game from the beginning.
Even though there are explanations for the loss of thousands discoveries and loss of cmdrs names from early exploration, Cartographics are responsible in my eyes.
When the Codex did not exist, and some of us, me anyway did not like the idea of hidden entities tracking our every move.
My data in the codex is and has always been incorrect. It's not off by very much, but it is off.
So, I have had no faith in the Codex from its beginning.
Fudged data or rather counters that have been reset more than once.
Cartographics, all I can say is in reality, would NEVER get my cartographic data.
If it were possible, I would hunt down the office that makes changes.
And make a new entry.
I have more fear than respect for a bottomless pit of money that we never see faces from, that makes math errors and loses data, a lot.
(prg bugs or not, truth applied to history)
My statements are not because of anything fdev did to me.
My statements are very game related, due to experience in the game that changed my thoughts on these topics.
Even though some of what I have seen may well be coding and bugs and errors..
Things happened. And it makes far more sense to simply be very skeptical of what these 2 entities do and say.
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That so much trust is given to any faceless entity is very un-natural.
I support Anarchy for a reason.
When the 'Law givers' and the Corporations cannot be trusted, Anarchy is what remains.
The History we know is always written by those in control of things. Right or wrong., Truth or Lie. This is what Human history is.
The truth always requires uncovering.
But Sheep do what sheep do. And this will never change.
My trust is firmly attached to my ships hard-points.
Disclaimer Preface; criticizing someone's premise or theories is the basis of scientific debate and is not personal attacks nor are any intended, on the contrary Ive a healthy respect and appreciation for those who can intelligently debate or argue their opinions regardless if I agree with them or not.
Lets break this down again;
Statement 1;
"English is a contextual language. Meaning sometimes changes depending on the context, and poetical usage of English can stretch the context."
Response 1;
Correct to some degree, it is indeed contextual and meanings do change on context, what you fail to grasp is who and what defines context, which I expand in 'Response 2' to explain why this is the case.
Statement 2;
From: "In this case It depends on what definition of the word “find” you apply."
To: "However there is a second definition of “find” as “identify (something) as being present.” So according to this definition every time you open the door and see that the object is within then you “find” it."
Response 2;
In my opinion this entirely incorrect the words 'Find' and 'Discover' quite literally have different meanings and are NOT interchangeable unless you are referring to SINGULAR event. This premise is based upon and built upon my above listed criticism in 'Response 1' in which you assume the reader defines context and not the sentence itself. In fact every variation of the meaning 'Context' of a written sentence or statement in English language is framed around the authoring or entirety of the sentence itself and has nothing to do with the Cognitive Biases, whims or beliefs of the reader.
Statement 3;
"However there is a second definition of “find” as “identify (something) as being present.” So according to this definition every time you open the door and see that the object is within then you “find” it."
Response 3;
The framing of this scenerio is shaky at best and calls into question whether or not your trolling but ill assume your statements in good faith and rebuff it with the correction that "Until the situation or parameters have changed since something was first found or identified it cannot be found a second time until it has been 'Found' to no longer have the same parameters/location", It is the primary difference between to 'Find' something and to 'Discover' something though both words have multiple possible meanings the meanings are defined by the SENTENCE the statement is made in and has nothing to do with the readers desires to attempt to play wordswap. By the premise of your statement you 'Find' the Sun each and every morning...
Statement 4;
"Where they exist (they were not in every system map, as previously explained, & I am currently assuming they are still in-game and have not been corrected by the several game updates that have occurred since we investigated them) the graphical artefacts in the system map fade in and out of visibility over several minutes, so I think either definition of “find” would legitimately apply."
Response 4;
You found them the first time then as you KNOW that they will disappear and reappear in a set cycle you have been able to predict and then confirm that prediction, you are not freshly discovering it on each pulse cycle in exactly the same way we do not freshly discover the Sun each and every morning... Even after Patch updates until you "Find" that they are not there you are not finding anything new as your already able to predict and thus KNOW in advance.
Statement 5;
"You may argue that Raxxla is not in a single location; that is a valid hypothesis which has often been expounded in this thread. However as far as I can see there is no evidence to support it hence it is merely a belief and I have no desire to question anybody’s belief system."
Response 5;
We a firmly told it can be found by a person more than once thus we already know it must be able to be in multiple locations... As for the Science, Considering the Logo itself is comprised of Encoded Scientific information ranging from the colour of the logo, the shape it uses and the patterning's within it we can deduce quite alot if we know Science.
Statement 6;
"I hope this explanation of how the English language works has been helpful to you. And I wish you luck in your attempt to get anyone in FD to say anything about Raxxla!"
Response 6;
Again you are misreading what is front of you I quite famously have no intention of asking Fdev to say anything about Raxxla I am very well known for stating THEY DO NOT KNOW anything themselves and the ones who do are under a NDA, as for what is known by rumoured players who may be hording information the only one who could verify that with said players is Mr Braben. If lower ranking Fdev employees are trying to imply they know or are teasing something I can guarantee you it comes from a small list of Pre-Approved tongue-in-cheek responses regarding the matter in which most people assume they are being fobbed of but the truth is theirs a grain or nugget in truth in almost all of those joke responses which only a person who KNOWS what it is would even recognise.
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Ive been browsing my notes again (always a hazardous thing to do as it gets my brain wondering off on a few more hypotheses) and had a thought. There is, in the Guardians 2.2 release trailerActually, a "green" star could be a very common phenomenon - if we change the definition of green.
For example, if we use a spectrometer to analyze the light of Sol from the bottom of our atmosphere, we could define that the light is green, because that's where the peak in the spectrum is.
With this definition, the "colour of a star" could also be understood as the color of the peak of the theoretical black body radiation corresponding with its surface temperature (~ Wien's displacement law).
However, if we would follow the mundane convention that the colour of a star is defined by its visual appearance to the human eye, then the range of possible colours should be close to the black body locus, which, unfortunately, excludes green. For a more or less "normal" star to actually appear green, it would have to travel at a significant fraction of lightspeed. And it would have to be the star that is travelling, not us, because supercruise does not cause red-shift or blue-shift.
And in your picture above, the anomaly is not quite the same colour as the star either, but more blue.
So maybe it's a general feature of CMEs that their colour is tinted towards the peak of emission of the star.
However, this would mean that greenish CMEs should be quite a common phenomenon and therefore incompatible with the axiom that Raxxla is at least rare.
Maybe Raxxla is related to Glowing Green Giants? They are green and very rare.
Glowing Green Giants - The Definitive List
Most gas giants, even those which are classified as "life-bearing", are not particularly rare - about one system in ten seems to have a life-bearing one, with either "water-based life" or "ammonia-based life". They're so common that Universal Cartographics do not pay any premium for them at all...forums.frontier.co.uk
a green light source used to illuminate the titles, & the green colour matches (to my eyes) the Raxxla icon/Guardian beacons. Perhaps best seen in the final few frames; I meant to capture that video and have a look at the star background -might be a clue, or might be marketing hype!
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@Han_Zen , @Zieman :
Have you any ideas for efficiently searching a planetary ring set? Each one must contain thousands of asteroids. I cant see that a single pilot could stand a significant probability. If we have to find the correct asteroid with limited detection range (possibly only by visual detection? and perhaps not in supercruise?) then that would definitely fit with MB’s Raxxla...”is something in the game world (not text) and very hard to find”, “it’s not a random thing” and “anyone can find it and more than once”.
It would even fit with the rumour that DB said
“It would be more likely to reveal itself to a group of players.... If you are at the right place and you scan it enough..."
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Sorry, none at all.
If I were to search any ring systems at all, I'd go for Belt Clusters, as they're numbered and can be combed throught methodically.
Yes, I regularly do this now, but there’s only up to around 10 asteroids in each cluster, and not many clusters, so not a great hiding place. IMHO a planetary ring is the obvious place for FD to have hidden it cos they’re so hard to search....
Great find!
I'd say the colour resembles Raxxla green alright.
And I wouldn't be too surprised if Raxxla would actually look like that.
Hm. Copy-Paste neutron star, make it green, modify stats?
Increase jump range modifier and damage to FSD, please.
Almost. Make the exclusion zone bigger.
There. Raxxla. Done. Let's have lunch.
However, with the strategy of recreating large parts of the game with Odysee, I am not quite sure if the efficient reuse of assets is a common practice at Fdev.
In the background of stars, the same patch repeats 4 times, like the notorious tiling on planetary surfaces in Odysee.
I would assume it's probably a random result of "We need a (generic) background of stars".
It's probably from a common place like Shinrarta Dezhra or Sol.
Could the background of stars reveal something by accident?
No. Not if there are 4 tiles and the stars look cheap, all stars white / grey.
Could the background of stars contain a deliberate hint? Oh yes. Would it? I doubt it.
On the off chance that it contains a deliberate hint, it could be a subtle difference in the 4 tiles shown.
Or it could be the location (not quite) in the middle, where all 4 tiles meet.
Could a neutron star in Raxxla green be a deliberate false trail?
Maybe.
I have been searching in clusters, too. But usually there are miners and pirates, even at rather remote systems.
Would be somewhat anticlimactic if I would discover Raxxla in an asteroid cluster while a pirate would scan me for cargo.
Accessible since gamma, Gamma Velorum was accessible just after gamma until Horizons........just saying
Rings are to big to find anything without a signal. You would need som sort of map.
The significans of Gamma is that it was the release of the full galaxy. In beta, only a small portion was accessible for players.
There was also a full regeneration of procedural systems at the release of gamma.
The galaxy we have now, didn’t really exist before gamma.
Mmm, like the logo?
Wish they’d remembered to attach the map key!
Just noticed and probably noticed before, when entering a system map from galaxy map check out the breif loading ebtween the two, literally looks like the Raxxla logo however 4 semi circles instead of 3 and a circle of dots rather than a hex, hard to screenshot it due to fast loading times on my end
