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Current half-baked hypothesis:

The alleged toast as a set of directions-within Sol leading to Mars or Jupiter?

the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies: Sol/Mother Gaia (galnet quote, & Gaia was the mother of Uranus the Heavens))

the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void: Earth- Li Qin Jao (inventor of hyperdrive) station, Venus (Marvel Comic siren), also in classical and medieval folklore Venus became associated with witchcraft via the ars veneris, or love magic, OR Burnell station (Jocelyn Bell Burnell found the first pulsar which elsewhere have been called sirens in space)

The parent’s grief, the lover's woe: Jupiter (In Greek myth Zeus, lost his mortal son & had many lovers, four of them are the in-game Jupiter’s moons). Mars was god of War-> death of children & separation/death of lovers.

The centre of the Raxxla logo might not be showing astronomical symbol for a star but instead Jupiter’s Great Red Spot!! So an Asteroid station hidden in Jupiter’s rings?? In the film 2001 Space Odyssey the monolith that was a transportation gateway was orbiting Jupiter. And we have in ED a tribute to 2001SO with The Blue Danube playing on entering a space station, as it did in the original game. Raxxla first documented rumour date only ~16 years after Mars terraformed. Allen Stroud’s PhD thesis quotes the lore bible as “In 2280, the first non-human relic was found in space. The object, no bigger than a child’s hand was collected by an orbital probe around Europa” (Jupiter’s fourth largest moon), yet this was changed in-game to being found on Mars! Why? too near the hidden easter egg?? Jupiter’s rings contain a lot of asteroids, so Raxxla here would be very difficult to find!

BUT from Pyroboros’ research there are no outstanding BodyIDs in Sol. So either Raxxla is not a conventional body type, or it is not in Sol!

We have in the Codex mention of the Omphalos Rift... an alien artefact, as a possible tunnel or gateway to Raxxla ...what body type could that be? Could be a space installation since they have tunnels! There are several installations in Sol, but from EDSM none near Jupiter or Mars. There are no installations in Shinrarta, and the Toast doesn’t seem to fit that system. From Pyroboros however there are 12 comets by Shinrarta Dehzra AB2j A ring...which seems suspiciously high. There are three broad green “lanes” in the logo, and six black areas. Are these supposed to indicate something related to the comets?? Is it a map of a ring system with a hidden asteroid station??

The “SmallBody” data type mentioned in the journal files for comets is not in the current spec. In Journal specification v3.2 the only body types enumerated are:
15.7 BodyType values
"Null" (a barycentre )
"Star"
"Planet"
"PlanetaryRing"
"StellarRing"
"Station"
"AsteroidCluster"

So, I guess it is possible that Raxxla is either a body type that is not disclosed to us in the journal spec, or it (or the Omphalos “tunnel”) is disguised as one of the aforementioned body types. IMHO it seems that the likeliest possibility for the Omphalos is that it’s a tunnel within an installation, which I believe have been in-game since gamma as a form of station. If we are looking for Raxxla directly then I suspect it’s unique, the body type is not disclosed, and it has very short detection range.

I logged out at the Halo Ring of Jupiter...there’s an awful lotta rocks!
Sigh
 
Current half-baked hypothesis:

The alleged toast as a set of directions-within Sol leading to Mars or Jupiter?

the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies: Sol/Mother Gaia (galnet quote, & Gaia was the mother of Uranus the Heavens))

the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void: Earth- Li Qin Jao (inventor of hyperdrive) station, Venus (Marvel Comic siren), also in classical and medieval folklore Venus became associated with witchcraft via the ars veneris, or love magic, OR Burnell station (Jocelyn Bell Burnell found the first pulsar which elsewhere have been called sirens in space)

The parent’s grief, the lover's woe: Jupiter (In Greek myth Zeus, lost his mortal son & had many lovers, four of them are the in-game Jupiter’s moons). Mars was god of War-> death of children & separation/death of lovers.

The centre of the Raxxla logo might not be showing astronomical symbol for a star but instead Jupiter’s Great Red Spot!! So an Asteroid station hidden in Jupiter’s rings?? In the film 2001 Space Odyssey the monolith that was a transportation gateway was orbiting Jupiter. And we have in ED a tribute to 2001SO with The Blue Danube playing on entering a space station, as it did in the original game. Raxxla first documented rumour date only ~16 years after Mars terraformed. Allen Stroud’s PhD thesis quotes the lore bible as “In 2280, the first non-human relic was found in space. The object, no bigger than a child’s hand was collected by an orbital probe around Europa” (Jupiter’s fourth largest moon), yet this was changed in-game to being found on Mars! Why? too near the hidden easter egg?? Jupiter’s rings contain a lot of asteroids, so Raxxla here would be very difficult to find!

BUT from Pyroboros’ research there are no outstanding BodyIDs in Sol. So either Raxxla is not a conventional body type, or it is not in Sol!

We have in the Codex mention of the Omphalos Rift... an alien artefact, as a possible tunnel or gateway to Raxxla ...what body type could that be? Could be a space installation since they have tunnels! There are several installations in Sol, but from EDSM none near Jupiter or Mars. There are no installations in Shinrarta, and the Toast doesn’t seem to fit that system. From Pyroboros however there are 12 comets by Shinrarta Dehzra AB2j A ring...which seems suspiciously high. There are three broad green “lanes” in the logo, and six black areas. Are these supposed to indicate something related to the comets?? Is it a map of a ring system with a hidden asteroid station??

The “SmallBody” data type mentioned in the journal files for comets is not in the current spec. In Journal specification v3.2 the only body types enumerated are:
15.7 BodyType values
"Null" (a barycentre )
"Star"
"Planet"
"PlanetaryRing"
"StellarRing"
"Station"
"AsteroidCluster"

So, I guess it is possible that Raxxla is either a body type that is not disclosed to us in the journal spec, or it (or the Omphalos “tunnel”) is disguised as one of the aforementioned body types. IMHO it seems that the likeliest possibility for the Omphalos is that it’s a tunnel within an installation, which I believe have been in-game since gamma as a form of station. If we are looking for Raxxla directly then I suspect it’s unique, the body type is not disclosed, and it has very short detection range.

I logged out at the Halo Ring of Jupiter...there’s an awful lotta rocks!
Sigh
there is an easter egg. hexagonal of Jupiter, but no matter how much I searched there, I didn’t find anything with which I could interact.
try interacting with Voyager again, I didn't find anything special, but Voyager has been on the ad banners ever since release. suddenly you find something that we missed, a signal that needs to be decoded or something
 

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Current half-baked hypothesis:



the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void: Earth- Li Qin Jao (inventor of hyperdrive) station, Venus (Marvel Comic siren), also in classical and medieval folklore Venus became associated with witchcraft via the ars veneris, or love magic, OR Burnell station (Jocelyn Bell Burnell found the first pulsar which elsewhere have been called sirens in space)

Another Sol Siren reference....Triton.... "Furthermore, Tritons in groups or multitudes began to be depicted in Classical Greek art by around the 4th century BC. Among these is the work by Greek sculptor Scopas (d. 350 BC) which was later removed to Rome. The sirens of Homer's Odyssey were sometimes being depicted, not as human-headed birds but as tritonesses by around this time, as seen in a bowl dated to the 3rd century BC, and this is explained as a conflation with Odysseus's Scylla and Charybdis episode."
 
an interesting phenomenon in Tionisla 9. Almost invisible asteroid rings, they cannot be scanned. According to the old magazin (1990) in which the story of Raxxla was written, the action took place somewhere around here. Has anyone seen this phenomenon somewhere else or is it worth looking at?
 

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Triton being unknown permit locked has always been a cause for suspicion. But I would be really disappointed if FD made it Raxxla. Always thought it was perhaps the Sol base of Fed military
 
I’m still perplexed by the Raxxla logo.

Other ramblings aside; unless its very specific, one can only guess at its actual purposes or meanings within the logo. It’s likely equally singular as it is potentially linked to Guardians, but no other reference other than the prevalence of hexagons in game and the colour green there is no real method at present to assess what it could really mean.

So here goes some more tin foil.

As this is a symbol, a banner or badge of sorts, traditional heraldry indicates the hexagon or hexagram to be a star (this is a space game after all).

We can only presume the centre dot within a circle is the alchemical symbol for Sol, as that is the most prevalent meaning of the symbol.

I cant find any correlation to the 3 arcs which sit just outside this Sol disk, it’s probable these relate to something very specific, which is in game. They could relate to some form of signal, as graphically the only correlation I found was that of sound waves being emitted from a source; this may match FD practice of utilising audio in the past to rely information. And remember initially with the DW missions, we had the ‘silent song of the spheres’.

As mentioned previously in this thread, I believe the dotted line hexagon is a graphical style which indicates something hidden.

The spokes I have no clear idea about, however these too may well relate to Sol in regards to being a solar wheel; or it’s a runic reference to the tree of Yggdrasil, which is in game.

So to some degree then, if taken literally this symbol just indicates a star system and something hidden. That could be all that it means… something hidden in a star system (possibly Sol).

Given their contextual history these references all link to Sol; as there are no simple direct graphical references to indicate other systems, these being all created on Earth in the distant past…do we accept the developers are pointing to Sol, or is the image just saying… something hidden inside a star system (any system)?

I raise this question because we also have Delphi and Donars Oak, whose system is hundreds of light years away, and was inserted at the same time of the Codex entry. Coincidence, unlikely as FD made sure to remove other ‘likely unintentionally’ references to Omphalos.

Donars Oak is of course another reference link to the tree of Yggdrasil which is in game.

If it is relevant then is the hexagon linked to the Winter hexagram! Arghh!!!

This systems inclusion could be an allegory linked to Raxxla, but it equally may not (doubtful), as it is hundreds of light years away close to the Pleiades, the seven sisters.

But the Pleiades is a key element within FD narrative, it is also a key reference to Lovecraft lore. And in the past one of the stars, Merope, was thought originally ‘hidden’.

I’m also suspiciously aware the number 7 is rather prevalent within the Codex text.

The use of Philip Sidney ’Astrophel’ alias (as it is specific to him in the male prefix / yet female in the Codex?). We have MB influences within Norse myth, Lovecraft and John Milton… and the music of the spheres.

Again let me remind you, the music of the spheres and Paradise Lost all relate to Sol.

This just makes my creative mind jump; as a hexagram, within occult magic such as in Rosicrucianand Hermetic Magic, the hexagon could be attributed to the older 7 planets of Sol, with the center of the Hexagram appearing much like that of the Sephiroth or the Tree of Life with Saturn attributed to the Sephira of Binah, in the position of the hidden Daath.

Saturn also known as Chronos, is another very obvious connection to the Omphalos stone story.

The prevalence of Triton as a locked moon is also perplexing, although not improbable and could just be a coincidence.

I do find it odd, that Saturns polar hexagon is absent from the game, this is something which was well known to science for some time, since 1981, why did FD not include it or even correct it?

Has anyone listened / recorded all the audio emanating from within the Sol system, I suspect not, FD has put a lot of work into the games audio, the system scanner particularly produces audio inspired by RL astronomical audio… I wonder if one particular body presents something?

Again we put too much faith in FD being accurate, I presume many elements were done procedurally or it identifies an absence of attention to detail…

Then we have the fact that’s it’s two hexagons within each other. Possibly indicating a hidden star within another system; initially my thoughts were the outer hexagon was dark because it indicated a dark system (no longer in game / effectively these are brown dwarf systems) or a dark nebula….

However non of this is in any way concrete; and I suspect much of this is actually a conflagration of separate elements, designed by different minds over the years, which have been collated.

As to if such collation is intentional by FD or our own perceptions, I can’t say.

Without any keystone for reference we are still very much stuck in pareidolia. And I am still suspicious we could be looking at two separate narratives; 1 for Raxxla and another for the Thargoids; or they are two of the same?

My instinct tells me the Pleadies is the key, Delphi is prominently too close not to be relevant; whilst my intellect asks why all the graphical representations towards Sol?

I still believe the Codex presents this key stone reference, if we can only reveal with ‘eyes to see’ I’m positive the scales will fall from our perception.

However I remain hesitant that such clues are either arbitrary, far too simplistic (and obvious), or locked behind some narrative wall.

Source: https://youtu.be/qF7lFHuwi3E
 
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Take a look at the above, now the last image the double and single line, like the Raxxla logo having 5-6-5-6-5-6 dots

Benzene ring, we have a Benz Ring station close to Sol, no Benzene however, discovered after having a daydream of a snake eating its own tale quite like (I know player made but made after old lore)

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Read the below then regarding this


Thinfoil hat growing
 

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Not read this in the manual before... Guess A Friend is TDW?


SECURE FEED AUTHENTICATED...DECRYPTING SECURE TRANSMISSION SOURCE AUTHENTICATED... SOURCE AUTHENTICATED... PRIMARY TRANSMISSION BEGINS...

Sue, Cripple & Sneer, Solicitors

Windrush Tower, Olympus Village, Mars, Sol System

0/0SO4 OL1

Reference: JAS 161200/42 Date: 16.12.3300

To whom it may concern, It is our solemn duty to deliver to you a package left with us, from a benefactor who wishes to remain anonymous at this time. The package was placed in our care with instructions to be delivered in the event – and only in the event – of your successful membership of the Pilot’s Federation. We have been so notified of said acceptance, following your grading in the recruitment aptitude exams, and so are carrying out this transaction in the manner as specified by our client’s wishes. The package is two-fold. Encoded into this transmission is the first part: a secure code. Use this code to access a starship account, pre-configured with your credentials, including a fully paid, indefinite lease, and comprehensive insurance cover. The second part of the package is a credit transfer to your personal account, which I can confirm was successfully completed at the time this transmission was dispatched. The attached message was also to be delivered to you upon receipt of the access code. We feel this matter has now been resolved to the satisfaction of all parties concerned. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us. The normal fees of one thousand two hundred credits (1200 CR) per hour (plus Federal Service Tax) apply, plus a one off initial contact fee of five thousand credits (5000 CR).

Yours sincerely J. Sneer

ATTACHMENT-01

You may be puzzled right now as to why you’ve just received this little windfall. Nothing wrong with that – I’d be worried if you weren’t. But now get ready for lesson number one. When a golden opportunity comes your way – and trust me, they’re few and far between, my friend – reach out and grab it with both hands. Sometimes it’s clever to ask questions, and sometimes it’s not. This time it’s not. All you need to know is that my organisation has a very specific remit: to seek out those who have the potential to become real movers and shakers, those precious few with the talent to mould and shape the galaxy around them, to create change on a grand scale. We find them, and then we test them. Consider this your test. Take the ship. Take the money. No strings, no hidden clauses. Do with them what you will. Blaze your own trail. Impress me, perhaps you’ll learn more.

A Friend
 
there is an easter egg. hexagonal of Jupiter, but no matter how much I searched there, I didn’t find anything with which I could interact.
try interacting with Voyager again, I didn't find anything special, but Voyager has been on the ad banners ever since release. suddenly you find something that we missed, a signal that needs to be decoded or something
Hexagonal shape of south and north poles on gas giants are something to be expected. These shapes are created because of strong storms that are present and no land mass, there are no natural obstacle like mountains to disturb their path and for that reason a hexagon or symmetric circular shape is created. Size, shape and color will be effected by gases that are present on given planet and pressure under which these storms are created.
 
Not read this in the manual before... Guess A Friend is TDW?


SECURE FEED AUTHENTICATED...DECRYPTING SECURE TRANSMISSION SOURCE AUTHENTICATED... SOURCE AUTHENTICATED... PRIMARY TRANSMISSION BEGINS...

Sue, Cripple & Sneer, Solicitors

Windrush Tower, Olympus Village, Mars, Sol System

0/0SO4 OL1

Reference: JAS 161200/42 Date: 16.12.3300

To whom it may concern, It is our solemn duty to deliver to you a package left with us, from a benefactor who wishes to remain anonymous at this time. The package was placed in our care with instructions to be delivered in the event – and only in the event – of your successful membership of the Pilot’s Federation. We have been so notified of said acceptance, following your grading in the recruitment aptitude exams, and so are carrying out this transaction in the manner as specified by our client’s wishes. The package is two-fold. Encoded into this transmission is the first part: a secure code. Use this code to access a starship account, pre-configured with your credentials, including a fully paid, indefinite lease, and comprehensive insurance cover. The second part of the package is a credit transfer to your personal account, which I can confirm was successfully completed at the time this transmission was dispatched. The attached message was also to be delivered to you upon receipt of the access code. We feel this matter has now been resolved to the satisfaction of all parties concerned. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us. The normal fees of one thousand two hundred credits (1200 CR) per hour (plus Federal Service Tax) apply, plus a one off initial contact fee of five thousand credits (5000 CR).

Yours sincerely J. Sneer

ATTACHMENT-01

You may be puzzled right now as to why you’ve just received this little windfall. Nothing wrong with that – I’d be worried if you weren’t. But now get ready for lesson number one. When a golden opportunity comes your way – and trust me, they’re few and far between, my friend – reach out and grab it with both hands. Sometimes it’s clever to ask questions, and sometimes it’s not. This time it’s not. All you need to know is that my organisation has a very specific remit: to seek out those who have the potential to become real movers and shakers, those precious few with the talent to mould and shape the galaxy around them, to create change on a grand scale. We find them, and then we test them. Consider this your test. Take the ship. Take the money. No strings, no hidden clauses. Do with them what you will. Blaze your own trail. Impress me, perhaps you’ll learn more.

A Friend
Mmm, I suspect not. TDW are a band of “adventurers, explorers, investigators and treasure-hunters”. Don't see why they would be interested in funding noobs to get into space. I think it is more likely to be a Guardian AI (or human AI-I haven't forgotten Sarasvati and the anti-thargoid human AI that implied, who I suspect is Salvation) recruiting pilots and throwing them into the pool of potential anti-thargoid fighters. I suspect the back story is that a Guardian AI came in one of their ark ships and founded the Pilots Federation to develop humanity in order to fight the Thargoids. Possibly even a surviving Guardian-don’t think we have any indication of their lifespan.

I suspect that Guardian/AI/arkship is Raxxla.
 
Hexagonal shape of south and north poles on gas giants are something to be expected. These shapes are created because of strong storms that are present and no land mass, there are no natural obstacle like mountains to disturb their path and for that reason a hexagon or symmetric circular shape is created. Size, shape and color will be effected by gases that are present on given planet and pressure under which these storms are created.
Yes, the question is why didnt FD implement that hexagonal storm when they were drawing up or updating the hand-crafted Sol system?

Apparently a series of smaller storms interact with the larger system, squeeze the jet stream and confine it to the top of the planet & that squeezing process warps the jet stream into a hexagon. It was first discovered on Saturn in 1981. One was found by Juno on Jupiter’s South pole in November 2019. Cant now remember if Saturn’s is implemented in-game? Don’t think it was originally implemented. But the Jupiter find was too late.
 
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Cant now remember if Saturn’s is implemented in-game?
There was a hexagon on Saturn in the horizons. It strongly resembles the Raxxla emblem, but we also didn't find anything there

But here's another interesting thing. To what is the carrier parked at Tionisla 9? and why are the planets/moons grouped like that considering it's a handmade system (moved along with a group of planets from Elite 1984).
carrier coordinates in Tionisla 9 a + b, but there are no such coordinates on the system map
Tionisla a and Tionisla b are very very close to each other, so a gate can be placed between them

I did not find the magazine itself: Micro Bit Computer Magazine 1990, so I will use an extract from another person:

The original Raxxla is a planet with a Coriolis station also named "Raxxla" in Galaxy 9, Andromeda.

Raxxla itself is a feudal world with reptile race with higher technology level than humans. Raxxlans were extremely hostile to every other race. War was what they loved and aimed for. Raxxla itself is not hard to find. Raxxlans will attack without hesitation giving out their location. The closer you get more aggressive they become. Anyone in their territory must be Elite or die. They will give the permit to enter their station after you have proven your skills in battles against them.

Raxxlans had a formed a trade partnership and military alliance with Dark Wheel in 3025. Dark Wheel had an agricultural settlement on the planet Soonji, which was named after Soontil. Only 100 Elite level commanders were allowed to have a residence on this planet due fact Raxxlans did not want large and permanent human settlements near their territory. Soonji was known as a paradise for retirement.

While the alliance was maintained 100 years the trading kept only a few Elites rich. It is known from history that all the snake ships and the first type of Coriolis stations are Raxxlan designed. The Raxxlans were proud reptiles and they named their ships after their feared relatives. This was to remind human beings to respect them while using them.

The trade and military union ended when Dark Wheel entered the forbidden Raxxlan territory with a generation ship. This broke the deal that was made between humans and reptiles. Raxxlans arranged clan wars to declare owners of the systems.

Ben Ryder wanted to get his own deals with Raxxlans and built his own gateway in 3125. This was the only known way to find Raxxla without deeper involvement with the Dark Wheel.

The only way to get to Raxxla was to use Ben Ryder's gateway which was located near Lave and Tionisla system. The only way to find the gateway was to visit Lave Station, ask for permission from Ben Ryder and fly around clockwise around Lave system to Tionisla. The trip had to be not less than 7 to 9 jumps before entering the secret system from Tionisla to the hidden system with the gateway.

The gateway itself was located near the last ringed planet where a battle took place against Allied Police force which was trying to get the ring to their use. The gateway has been lost since Dark Wheel hid it in 3126 due a war against Raxxlans.

Technically Raxxlans had a transport system to transfer the planet from system to other systems. The system looked like 5 large towers at both poles of the planet. Therefore it is extremely plausible that Raxxlan planet has been relocated and can be basically found anywhere. Therefore the current location of the planet is unknown.
 

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@drew immortal one, may I ask you to create a screenshot or video of the galactic map Elite 1984, interested in the systems that are in the gap from Lava to Tionisla at that time, in order to understand where the events that are described in the 1990 magazine could take place?
 
@drew immortal one, may I ask you to create a screenshot or video of the galactic map Elite 1984, interested in the systems that are in the gap from Lava to Tionisla at that time, in order to understand where the events that are described in the 1990 magazine could take place?
Drew doesn't read the forum nowadays.
Raxxla has never been implemented in any of the previous games; ED is the first time. I think what you are referring to in that magazine article is just fluff.
 
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Someone mentioned Lave the other day...
There is an oddity. A while ago (just rereading my ipad notes, again!) read ED 1.5/2.0 change note and spotted, under General tweaks, “Fix an issue with entering the reference frame of a space station while on the surface of Lave 2 by shrinking the station's reference frame size”. Can’t understand this as Lave 2 is not landable-it’s permit locked at the request of the author of “Lave Revolution” with no known way of getting the permit.
 
Drew doesn't read the forum nowadays.
Raxxla has never been implemented in any of the previous games; ED is the first time. I think what you are referring to in that magazine article is just fluff.
here the meaning is not that Raxxla was in past games... IT was not there, at least legally. But thanks to this article from the magazine, I have already found many oddities in the region that is described in the magazine. Perhaps this is all nonsense, but given the path we have traveled, we need to check everything
Between Lave and Tionisla there is one Zaonse system, perhaps at the time of Elite 1981 the location of the systems was different. I don't remember these details anymore, because I played for a very long time

Someone mentioned Lave the other day...
There is an oddity. A while ago (just rereading my ipad notes, again!) read ED 1.5/2.0 change note and spotted, under General tweaks, “Fix an issue with entering the reference frame of a space station while on the surface of Lave 2 by shrinking the station's reference frame size”. Can’t understand this as Lave 2 is not landable-it’s permit locked at the request of the author of “Lave Revolution” with no known way of getting the permit.
On Lave2 there is an oddity in the Odyssey, 2 unregistered signals are noted on the surface (but you can't get in without permission, it is not known if this permission can be obtained at all now or if it is closed to new content. We now know that permissions are obtained not only from some minor faction, but also from interactions, for example, with a beacon). by the way, on the release it was impossible to land on planets,apparently these are some changes associated with the addition of horizons. most likely it should not be on the surface, but in space
 
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