The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Gosh, I hope not. Both fate from the original game in 1984/85 but there was no hint that they were linked, and no reason for them to be, either. It would make the universe seem slightly smaller and less interesting if they were.
Very interesting. When all 8 Stargoid's are in position, it is possible to find the system in the middle of all 8 stargoids - Their centroid.
Add all the individual eight X coordinates added together and divided by 8, all the individual eight Y coordinates added together and divided by 8 and finally all the individual eight Z coordinates added, divided by 8 will reveal the Centroid at (X,Y,Z) i.e.
(X1+X2+X3+X4+X5+X6+X7+X8)/8, (Y1+Y2+Y3+Y4+Y5+Y6+Y7+Y8)/8, (Z1+Z2+Z3+Z4+Z5+Z6+Z7+Z8)/8 = (X,Y,Z)
It's going to be a known system, but something might happen there.
I do personally think that Thargoids are not the real road to any lore discovery; a red herring. I suspect, without proof other than we have been heavily fed the Thargoid story line, that this is hiding Guardian or Guardian AI involvement. The Guardians have been mysteriously quiet for sometime, happy in their trans-dimensional world perhaps as Halsey experienced, whispering away in hyperspace.
I thought the same originally
, but the more I thought about it the more I changed my mind. 1) Thargoids have been in our galaxy for millions of years, it would be unlikely if they didn't have something to do with - if not Raxxla itself, then whatever ancient alien race built the Omphalos Rift.
2) Maybe 'the raxxlans' are Guardians, as many people think, in which case then yes, Thargoids definitely had something to do with Raxxla, maybe even the reason it was created in some theories are right (an escape route/weapon/etc.).
3) I think suggesting that there was a third advanced ancient alien race in this part of the galaxy is less likely than the Omphalos Rift artefact being one of the two known ancient aliens.
4) Thargoids are the closest advanced alien race to human space, and we know of course that humans have interacted with Thargoids for hundreds of years, there's a lot of early history we don't know.
5) The easiest 'simple read' of the codex clues seem to point towards the Pleiades and the Delphi system - obviously there's no way to prove that's the correct read, but it's certainly suggestive.
6) Given the Codex clues and what we know of early human history, it's likely (though not at all certain, ofc) that Raxxla is/was relatively close to Sol when it was first found/discovered/visited prior to 2296, likely within a few hundred lightyears). The Pleiades is about 400ly away and Thargoids in general were much closer than that during and before the first war (interdicting ships in the Old Worlds, at least).
7) Thargoids have been here for millions of years and have laid claim to - if not the entire galaxy - then certainly this half of it - again, millions of years before we reached space. We know that the Guardians went down a similar path to us about a million years ago. If there was an even older ancient alien race in this area of space it's possible/likely they ran into the same territorial Thargoid issue as us and the Guardians.
Maybe Raxxla isn't a planet with an alien device on it, but... we just don't know.
I personally think Raxxla is just a moon or something and there was a crashed alien ship (Thargoid possibly) and the hyperdrive system was recovered and experiemented on (The Omphalos Rift). A Thargoid hyperdrive (especially pre 2296) would be a near-magical literal gateway to another universe. It fits the Codex as well or better than many other theories espoused here
Someone with access to a working Thargoid Hyperdrive in the early, dangerous, days of experimental human FTL would have access to the ability to appear and disappear at will, outrun enemies, intercept enemy ships at will - plus who knows where Witchspace leads... maybe you can travel hundreds of lightyears per wormhole transit, even now that would be a powerful tech. Occam's razor in this case is that Thargoids are more likely to be involved than not, imo
Nothing a Fleet Carrier couldn't easily do. May be cheaper though.
OK doesn’t look like I can find an appropriate 3.8 segment within Support (sure there will be soon) so instead I put something into the 3.8 post to Sally, likely won’t get any attention.So, who's going to continue to Quest in Live, and who in Legacy?
I did ask fo confirmation that it had been recently accessibility tested for both, but don't honestly expect an answer
Elite Dangerous Legacy (3.8) Is Now Available | IMPORTANT RELEASE INFORMATION
Sunya, so sorry for the delay. Are you still having issues? Nah, most of my friends likewise had to wait 10+ minutes for it to begin tracking the install progress. On console and on Steam it all went fine for everyone I know, just the frontier launcher experiencing this delay.forums.frontier.co.uk
Trouble is, a lot of changes have been made to the game since the Gamma...a lot errors have been corrected, but a lot of errors have crept in!!
Know its repetition, but the 3.8 situation identities an excellent potential opportunity for gathering additional data.
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I know this is most likely a bug, but still quite fun. 45sek in
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkhwmH1GY-k
A Raxxla Theory
Something I just thought of while posting in another thread.... Ok, we know the Guardians fought the Thargoids, what a million or so years ago? I'm not sure if we know the outcome of that war but obviously the Guardians aren't around anymore, but the Thargoids are. So they probably beat the...
Might the Thargoids know where it is?
Now since WE attacked them, with Guardian Tech they already beat and reverse engineered, what.. a million years ago.... Then they now consider us a more serious threat...
Therefore...
Might in now be in their interests, to prevent us from finding it?
Maybe even parking one of their Maelstrom's near it?
The wiki's summary is pretty accurate: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Guardian#Guardian-Thargoid_conflict
It's likely the reason Thargoids are aggressively anti-Guardian is because the Guardians successfully defeated (some part) of the Thargoid's civilisation, and Salvation used Guardian tech to try his genocide. (Genocide attempt #2 against the same Thargoids).
The reason Guardians aren't around any more is because the AI they made to fight the Thargoids did a Skynet.
Doesn't change your argument, Thargoids/Guardians could well be wrapped up in Raxxla (probably are), just wanted to fill in those blanks for you
I agree with you, but not completely. I'm more inclined to believe that Raxxla has something to do with the Guardians. In The Dark Wheel, the Thargoids are quietly in circulation.The wiki's summary is pretty accurate: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Guardian#Guardian-Thargoid_conflict
It's likely the reason Thargoids are aggressively anti-Guardian is because the Guardians successfully defeated (some part) of the Thargoid's civilisation, and Salvation used Guardian tech to try his genocide. (Genocide attempt #2 against the same Thargoids).
The reason Guardians aren't around any more is because the AI they made to fight the Thargoids did a Skynet.
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Doesn't change your argument, Thargoids/Guardians could well be wrapped up in Raxxla (probably are), just wanted to fill in those blanks for you
By the way, why don't we have nuclear weapons against the Thargoids?
There is insufficient evidence currently IMO to point the Raxxla finger at Thargoids or Guardians, at present.
The presence of the Thargoids in the bubble is intriguing, but more data is needed to draw a definitive conclusion.
*this post has been edited to remove some nonsense.
The presence of the Thargoids in the bubble is intriguing, but more data is needed to draw a definitive conclusion.
*this post has been edited to remove some nonsense.
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It is difficult to know how much various things are intertwined together, but consider that (so far as we're currently aware) Thargoids, by virtue of being the oldest and widely travelled species, have had a massive impact on Human culture over the last ~500+ years:
I'm sure there's more (and I've left out Linnaeus' project to engineer better humans using Thargoid tech, and the possible Soontil/Thargoid connections, and the Club and others manipulating humanity due to anticipated Thargoid threats. etc.), but it's clear that Thargoid interactions have shaped our society for at least half of the 1000 years we've been spacefarers.
It's not inconceivable that humanity has been interacting with Thargoid technology and relics longer than that without known what they were. We know that the GCS Sarasvati's logs mention a meta-alloy-like material 130 years before they were "discovered" in the Pleiades. We don't know if someone discovered a meta-alloy pod or barnacle 600 yeas ago and that changed human science etc.
There are at least 2 examples (1) (2) of "mining sites" that discover what seem like Thargoid probes/sites buried underground?! suggesting maybe Thargoids have been seeding for long enough for probes to get buried by geology?!
The impression I get is that of the Anthropocene, the... Thargocene? Thargoids have been around for long enough to essentially change the 'natural' shape of (at least) this part of the Galaxy, and it's possible they've been knocking down upstart civilisations for millions of years. As I said above; they're clearly the answer to the Fermi Paradaox.
Essentially, I'm labouring this point because in addition to the fact that Thargoids have formed the background of the galaxy for millions of years, they're also tied in with a lot of things that seem to fit the Codex entries for Raxxla.
I don't believe it's a coincidence that Raxxlan clues lean towards Greek mythology, and the Thargoid names originate from Greek Myth because we first encountered them in the Pleiades - Fdev is aware of this. They could have made Raxxla's clues anything yet there's obvious and easy connections there (why not Hindu mythology, or ancient Sumerian, or ancient Japanese Yokai? etc.). The obvious answer is because the clues reflect the Raxxla mystery, and that mystery is based in Greek myth names/ideas, etc.
We also have many text-lore connections between the Raxxla Codex clues and Thargoids. Thargoids are linked heavily to witch-space, and Jaques mentioned how the Thargoid Probes sing in witchspace. It's know that getting scanned by a probe is one of the triggers for a hyperdiction. The Formidine Rift expeditions mention whispers and siren songs in witchspace, and also repeatedly log hyperdiction events and unexplained sightings, and equipment power-downs, all of which seem very similar to Thargoid stuff.
So many people have gravitated to the Pleaides when hunting Raxxla for the Greek Myth connections, and even investigated Thargoids for that reason. I recently suggested that the Spiralling Stars may well refer to the Thargoid starmap spiral, even.
I was going over old posts too and was reminded that the Ryder party is located in Maia - that's an NPC faction programmed to specifically exist in Maia bearing a very famous name connected to Raxxla hunters. We've mentioned many times that there's not a known Black Hole in the real Pleiades, so Fdev may have deliberately placed it for some reason.
We've discussed Delphi and Omphalos connections a lot, and many, many people come to the same conclusions. A lot of people have made connections to between the Raxxla codex and the Pleaides area for various reasons. Hell, even the people that want Holdstock's Alien World book to be relevant have seen connections between Raxxla and the Thargoids.
If the same things keep coming up again and again and again from different people investigating from different angles, it's probably significant.
Ultimately though, the question is "what's next?" even if the clues do point towards the Pleaides, I've no clue what the next part would be (if there is one), other that simply to engage the Thargoid content and see where that goes...
- Thargoids "lay claim" to vast areas of territory at some unknown point millions of years ago.
- Some amount of unknown history that may well include clashes with any number of upstart new civilisations.
- Thargoid Codex basically say they won't suffer challenges to territory lightly - they're clearly the answer to the Fermi Paradaox!
- Guardian civilisation collapse after only a few thousand years of space-activity. The distant end result of unwanted war with Thargoids forcing them into a cyber-military path that clashed with cultural heritage
- Many details of that conflict and aftermath unknown - did the Thargoids just leave Guardian territory alone? Was there a continually "distant" war? Did Guardians effectively genocide Thargoids and require them to restart civilisation from a small survivor group?
- Because of this, we were able to develop Guardian weapons to fight Thargoids very rapidly
- We gained insight into the Thargoids at a vital time
- We know humans encountered Thargoids at least 500 years ago, it's possible much earlier (no way to know... yet).
- 1st Thargoid War led to: the collapse of Galcop, the rise of alien tech developments, FSD development, shadowy cabals working outside of oversight
- Dynasty projects triggered due to fear of Thargoid return - more shadowy conspiracies and obfuscation.
- Knowledge of Thargoids was deliberately suppressed by shadowy conspiracies for reasons.
- Thargoid raids on frontier colonies apparently continues to happen occasionally
- FSD (possibly/probably derived from Thargoid drives) led to massive alterations in human society due to essentially instant, cheap, travel. New superpower conflicts, London Treaty, fears of widescale destabilisation and war. New discoveries further out than ever (Guardians, et al.)
- Meta-Alloys led to new 'gold rush', triggered a resurgence of 'local' Thargoids in the Pleiades
- Thargoid tech used in many, many different ways by many different groups: UA bombings, lures, traps, unlock Thargoid structures, etc.
- UA bombing on Jaques station led to misjump, causing the formation of Colonia.
- Halsey's misjump 'visions' led to her siding with the Alliance over the Feds in an attempt to stave of war and prepare for the future - led to the discovery of Guardians.
- The Alliance are widely rumoured/known to have known more about Thargoids than most other superpowers (if you include FFE lore, even more so).
- Thargoids are known to be extremely interested in human abductions, even raiding settlements and abducting people.
- Alliance created a specific line of ships to fight Thargoids.
- Anti-thargoid weapons and technology has been at the forefront of developments. Many new AX weapons, no new non AX weapons.
I'm sure there's more (and I've left out Linnaeus' project to engineer better humans using Thargoid tech, and the possible Soontil/Thargoid connections, and the Club and others manipulating humanity due to anticipated Thargoid threats. etc.), but it's clear that Thargoid interactions have shaped our society for at least half of the 1000 years we've been spacefarers.
It's not inconceivable that humanity has been interacting with Thargoid technology and relics longer than that without known what they were. We know that the GCS Sarasvati's logs mention a meta-alloy-like material 130 years before they were "discovered" in the Pleiades. We don't know if someone discovered a meta-alloy pod or barnacle 600 yeas ago and that changed human science etc.
There are at least 2 examples (1) (2) of "mining sites" that discover what seem like Thargoid probes/sites buried underground?! suggesting maybe Thargoids have been seeding for long enough for probes to get buried by geology?!
The impression I get is that of the Anthropocene, the... Thargocene? Thargoids have been around for long enough to essentially change the 'natural' shape of (at least) this part of the Galaxy, and it's possible they've been knocking down upstart civilisations for millions of years. As I said above; they're clearly the answer to the Fermi Paradaox.
Essentially, I'm labouring this point because in addition to the fact that Thargoids have formed the background of the galaxy for millions of years, they're also tied in with a lot of things that seem to fit the Codex entries for Raxxla.
I don't believe it's a coincidence that Raxxlan clues lean towards Greek mythology, and the Thargoid names originate from Greek Myth because we first encountered them in the Pleiades - Fdev is aware of this. They could have made Raxxla's clues anything yet there's obvious and easy connections there (why not Hindu mythology, or ancient Sumerian, or ancient Japanese Yokai? etc.). The obvious answer is because the clues reflect the Raxxla mystery, and that mystery is based in Greek myth names/ideas, etc.
We also have many text-lore connections between the Raxxla Codex clues and Thargoids. Thargoids are linked heavily to witch-space, and Jaques mentioned how the Thargoid Probes sing in witchspace. It's know that getting scanned by a probe is one of the triggers for a hyperdiction. The Formidine Rift expeditions mention whispers and siren songs in witchspace, and also repeatedly log hyperdiction events and unexplained sightings, and equipment power-downs, all of which seem very similar to Thargoid stuff.
So many people have gravitated to the Pleaides when hunting Raxxla for the Greek Myth connections, and even investigated Thargoids for that reason. I recently suggested that the Spiralling Stars may well refer to the Thargoid starmap spiral, even.
I was going over old posts too and was reminded that the Ryder party is located in Maia - that's an NPC faction programmed to specifically exist in Maia bearing a very famous name connected to Raxxla hunters. We've mentioned many times that there's not a known Black Hole in the real Pleiades, so Fdev may have deliberately placed it for some reason.
We've discussed Delphi and Omphalos connections a lot, and many, many people come to the same conclusions. A lot of people have made connections to between the Raxxla codex and the Pleaides area for various reasons. Hell, even the people that want Holdstock's Alien World book to be relevant have seen connections between Raxxla and the Thargoids.
If the same things keep coming up again and again and again from different people investigating from different angles, it's probably significant.
Ultimately though, the question is "what's next?" even if the clues do point towards the Pleaides, I've no clue what the next part would be (if there is one), other that simply to engage the Thargoid content and see where that goes...
A mis-jump and a planet in witch space.... all we've needed all along to find Raxxla was a fleet carrier!
So, who's going to continue to Quest in Live, and who in Legacy?
I did ask fo confirmation that it had been recently accessibility tested for both, but don't honestly expect an answer
Elite Dangerous Legacy (3.8) Is Now Available | IMPORTANT RELEASE INFORMATION
Sunya, so sorry for the delay. Are you still having issues? Nah, most of my friends likewise had to wait 10+ minutes for it to begin tracking the install progress. On console and on Steam it all went fine for everyone I know, just the frontier launcher experiencing this delay.
Trouble is, a lot of changes have been made to the game since the Gamma...a lot errors have been corrected, but a lot of errors have crept in!!
Live, new shiny stuff will only be there. Legacy looks dead (or deader). Also having both Live and Legacy for all my accounts will be a bit much.
Would be a drag if Raxxla has moved to Live only and then player continuing in Legacy to no avail...or vice versa for that matter.
Some kind of confirmation from FD would be nice.
Indeed! After 7 years personal journeying with 4 years Questing I’m getting a tad cheesed off with the current state of things. I’ve done something like over 600 jumps exploring my current theory, so far without success (apart from a suspicious comms facility that nobody seems interested in checking out) and maybe another 270 to go.... Some small successes are what make a game interesting to play, not grind. I no longer have any interest in Thargoid bashing, which seems to be the sole focus of the current gameplay. I have enjoyed Questing, and sharing thoughts with many people here, but am tired of searching for something when I don't even know what it is; FD said it has been in game from the Gamma, but wont confirm its accessibility has been tested and confirmed....ever, never mind for each game update.
However the only current alternative seems to be SC but that’s so poor I dont enjoy it, & unfortunately Starfield is delayed yet again!
Might have to start talking to the grandkids over Christmas!
Wonder what X4 is like?
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For the love of all things holy will someone please tell him I did it! and just need to know what needs testing.
I am still looking
I was never interested in killing thargoids, even though I built many ships for it and I did kill some. I didn't like it for many reasons.
I am very interested in them, just not in killing them. unless I have no choice.
I want to see whats in the center and I want to know what its all about.
I just suggested to one thread that maybe trying to steal some of the probes from the orthrus could be helpful in getting past the final wave..
Going to keep at it till I figure it out anyway.
that aside, @Jorki, I wanted to help a bit, but Louis Calvert DID,
I am curious, he has posted several times in here to you, is he blocked for you? you never seem to acknowledge his posts to you anyway....
sorry if its none of my business, but I like both his and your posts...
I was never interested in killing thargoids, even though I built many ships for it and I did kill some. I didn't like it for many reasons.
I am very interested in them, just not in killing them. unless I have no choice.
I want to see whats in the center and I want to know what its all about.
I just suggested to one thread that maybe trying to steal some of the probes from the orthrus could be helpful in getting past the final wave..
Going to keep at it till I figure it out anyway.
that aside, @Jorki, I wanted to help a bit, but Louis Calvert DID,
I am curious, he has posted several times in here to you, is he blocked for you? you never seem to acknowledge his posts to you anyway....
sorry if its none of my business, but I like both his and your posts...
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Crikey. I never thought I'd see the day and have to admit to being slightly upset in reading your post. You Raxxla folk are a great inspiration, even if I do only lurk at this thread mainly due to having nothing to contribute. However, I completely understand and share your pain, if it helps (it doesn't).
Sad to see you feel defeated. However, I cannot believe we're this many years into the game with NOTHING to show. Not even a hint.
Give it some time and your mind will work in the background and you'll come back refreshed.
My biggest gripe is MB's "... make it a tiny bit obvious" comment. Tiny?! Just HOW tiny, exactly?
Quite frankly, I don't know how you folks keep going. Must be the Onionhead...
Carry on Raxxla'ing!
They won't say anything and although I have no proof, believe it to be behind ultimate-goal unlock - all the Elites (what, now 6?) to max-level (currently IV, expecting it to increase to at least X in the next year) plus all the unlocks, plus... Who knows?
Starfield is something I am really looking forward to. I mean, A LOT. Would love to meet up in it but we'll have to wait if the modders can create a mod for that
Old duck is a big fan of X4. Might be worth heading over to the off-topic game forum and get some ideas.
Sad to see you feel defeated. However, I cannot believe we're this many years into the game with NOTHING to show. Not even a hint.
Give it some time and your mind will work in the background and you'll come back refreshed.
My biggest gripe is MB's "... make it a tiny bit obvious" comment. Tiny?! Just HOW tiny, exactly?
Quite frankly, I don't know how you folks keep going. Must be the Onionhead...
Carry on Raxxla'ing!