So... They made it a tiny little bit obvious by now? :eek:
I have no idea whether they have or not personally, but a few things to bear in mind that have changed since the statement was made:
  1. Michael Brookes moved on from ED
  2. FD will have got much better pertinent quantitative info - numbers of people getting Elite, and the speed at which they do so, for example.
  3. FD will have got much better pertinent qualitative info - i.e. what the player base does and does not find obvious.
They have definitely been caught out by 3 before, and I suspect they got caught out by 2 fairly early and it has changed much more substantially since. - there’s no point having secretive missions that only appear to the few who manage to reach Elite rank if every man and their dog can get Elite in less than a day and with pretty much zero skill, effort or knowledge required via following an out-of-game guide and doing some deep core mining (or whatever the credit making meta is at the time).
 
if every man and their dog can get Elite in less than a day and with pretty much zero skill, effort or knowledge required via following an out-of-game guide and doing some deep core mining (or whatever the credit making meta is at the time).
Or they let all beta backers in to Shin Dez by mistake from the start and they had instant access rather than the Kickstarters only...?

Just a thought...
 
Or they let all beta backers in to Shin Dez by mistake from the start and they had instant access rather than the Kickstarters only...?

Just a thought...
Imagine what must have happened during the First Thargoid War when we had almost no ELITE combat rank CMDRs. How did we fight when Pilot's Federation is formed 2805? Yet, we suddenly have enough capable combateers to wage a war when Peter Jameson was allegedly the first. I detect rubbish or mass production of CMDRs. What, you say CMDRs don't grow in trees?

First Thargoid War was the first big case of credentialing inflation for the ELITE or we are being lied to about what went down. I just don't see a one man army working.
 
ELITE doesn't mean what it used to.
Completely agree, its one aspect of the game i dislike, not to be snobby, but the sense of achievment isnt really there.
I have been an Everquest player since it started and Epic quests took years, i came here and was Elite V in trade and exploration within a year, admittedly i play a lot (far too much my Mrs says!) but when i hit triple Elite i was a tad disappointed.
Thing is folks these days don't have the patience and we live in a 'give it me now world' (just look at those complainig about engineering grinds) admittedly most dont have the time to play much these days with other ditractions like crap reality TV :ROFLMAO:

O7
 
about engineering grinds
I understood what they meant when a guy said he had about 100 ships.
Of course, after upgrading several times the SAME ships, it gets tedious.
I never thought of playing Elite that way, don't know why he needs so many ships.
I don't even plan to buy one of each, let alone engineer all 36! But 100, this is madness.
Akin to those who rush toward the Corvette, as if it was the only goal of the game or as if the ship could fit every role, and call the whole process a grind.
Man, play something else it sounds like it hurts!
Bottom line, Elite is not an easy game and it has a gameplay of its own which is really not mainstream nowadays.
The epitome being the Raxxla/TDW hunt, probably!
 
The epitome being the Raxxla/TDW hunt, probably!
Being a TDW / Raxxla seeker takes a wildly different mindset than most CMDRs possess. It also requires paying attention to small details that do not make sense with what you have been told especially in the larger context of history and the lore of that region of space. To say this skillset is rare, is a huge understatement. This is partly why I keep thinking about the introduction to "Elite: Out of Darkness":

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PROLOGUE

‘As on ancient Earth, where muscle power yielded to sail, sail gave way to steam, and steam was replaced by oil, every age sees its technologies embraced as they mature; they become part of the culture, of everyday life, of humanity itself. Yet at each transition, something of the preceding age is lost even as a brave new future of possibility opens ahead.

Such a time was the early-to-mid 3270s, the last years of the old star drives. Travel between systems took days, weeks if the destination was far-flung. Becoming a pilot meant something—only a rare few could cope with the loneliness and had the resourcefulness to survive, fewer still to thrive. It was a time when to be addressed as ‘Commander’ made men and women feel like heroes.

But, as with all the ages of humankind before it, new discoveries and technologies brought this golden age to an end. In less than twenty-five years the latest star drives have opened new frontiers deeper in interstellar space. Now that inter-system travel takes mere seconds, humankind forges ahead, believing the riches of the universe are ripe for the picking. It is an exciting time to be alive.

Will there be new heroes? Can there be? I do not know. But I know this: if humanity is to face whatever is out there, in the darkness, we will have to find those who recall the old ways—who remember what it all meant—learn from them, and make piloting a ship mean something again.

’Excerpt from Generations in the Void, by Masayoshi Kishino; pub. 3300. Translation by Kieron Mastersson.
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The really sad thing ... I was 3 when the first game dropped. This is my first game in the entire series. Yet, I am the example of the "old ways". Supposedly, I am one of the few which are supposed examples of what being a CMDR meant (being that my first Elite was in exploration). Do you know how depressing it is that so many of the older CMDRs lost their way? That a CMDR who is IRL an elder Millennial is the primary force to take the past seriously. We cannot find Raxxla without the rumors of its' existence being given some level of credibility.
 
I spoke to FD Support via Devs some time ago (in this thread someplace), where FD essentially stated the trinkets were linked to the now removed DW missions and that ‘story’ and they were at most nothing more than a curiosity…

I took it to read they left them in because they were some form of narrative foreshadowing, which together with the missions would take us elsewhere… but this falls into high speculation, and at best I presume it was in part narrative, and a broken one at that… but then came the Codex… so I suspect FD just threw all that hard work aside and dumped Raxxla and the DW out there in the void, and rebuilt the mystery or just left the bones… to be uncovered…
Has anyone taken these Trinkets of Hidden Fortune and used them when doing missions for factions with "Fortune" as part of the name?

https://www.edsm.net/en/search/factions/index/name/+Fortune+

Seems to me one of main groups of Lave was the (LFO) Lave Fortune Organization.

Further, there is a system named Fortuna..

In-game description:
Trinkets of Hidden Fortune

This container appears to hold an assorted collection of low-value trinkets, knick-knacks and statuettes. Such trinkets are generally used by superstitious pilots to try and win favour with Lady Fortuna. However, these particular knick-knacks have a much more valuable prize hidden within.


A homing beacon to Raxxla? These are known to produce noises if in your cargo hold.

One other interesting tidbit from Wikipedia:
Fortuna's identity as personification of chance events was closely tied to virtus (strength of character). Public officials who lacked virtues invited ill-fortune on themselves and Rome: Sallust uses the infamous Catiline as illustration – "Truly, when in the place of work, idleness, in place of the spirit of measure and equity, caprice and pride invade, fortune is changed just as with morality".
 
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In my humble opinion the potato hunt, although highly commendable and a great example of data collection, is not thorough enough, although a group effort, some may be more thorough than others… much of the data may not have been cross examined etc leaving room for doubt.

It’s primarily focused on one principle, that Raxxla is within this bubble and can be found by normal means.

A sound hypothesis, however it’s possible FD altered Raxxla, it’s possible FD moved it, it’s possible it’s not going to reveal itself to just anyone, or that the path to Raxxla may start at X but leads somewhere else…

At most once the potato hunts complete, to be truly useful the data should be cross checked by other Cmdrs. But it only rules out Raxxla being a body or object in this area, it might not be so obvious?
Well, I have to disagree. I dont think logically it rules out in any way Raxxla as a body or object in this area. How can it....it cannot be named “Raxxla”, it might be named “Triton” for all we know...hidden in plain sight but the way to access it is not apparent. All the Hunt rules out is that it is not obviously within the searched area.

Actually, I still think we should be looking for the Omphalos Rift as the gateway to Raxxla, which is likely an instance which will only be downloaded from the FD server when we trigger the Rift.

Is the Rift hidden as a tunnel in a space structure? Is it hidden in plain sight as the hexagonal storm on Saturn (named “Omphalos” in a NYTimes readers’ competition)? Is it a Guardian beacon?.... 🤔
 
Well, I have to disagree. I dont think logically it rules out in any way Raxxla as a body or object in this area. How can it....it cannot be named “Raxxla”, it might be named “Triton” for all we know...hidden in plain sight but the way to access it is not apparent. All the Hunt rules out is that it is not obviously within the searched area.

Actually, I still think we should be looking for the Omphalos Rift as the gateway to Raxxla, which is likely an instance which will only be downloaded from the FD server when we trigger the Rift.

Is the Rift hidden as a tunnel in a space structure? Is it hidden in plain sight as the hexagonal storm on Saturn (named “Omphalos” in a NYTimes readers’ competition)? Is it a Guardian beacon?.... 🤔
Agree, my original post was aiming at this, just failed to clarify it, attempting not to pour too much water into their gravy… edited.

We don’t know what it is, or named, your correct, and it simply might not reveal itself so easily.

If we accept the speculation that the location was visited, but the asset not found; as alluded to via the unsubstantiated quote from Brookes, such a statement may only insinuate it might be found easily, simply by ‘discovery methods’… but that’s projection from the audiences point of view.

Considering that Brookes might have publicly refuted said statement, I am doubtful over such a perspective, it may also identify the hypothesis as counter-intelligence.

If true the reasoning for retraction, might identify that said statement was false, or made in error or just out of context; or the location was found in error, due to an absence of permit lock, or simply that the assets were not there at the time, or invisible due to some rank / mission requirements, or the assets were so ordinary, if you saw it you might just not realise what you’d found?

Ultimately, I do feel something is within the bubble, but also that FD changed something. I suspect in the past Raxxla was in the game but not accessible, due to some mission driven aspects, or narrative - but FD miscalculated their audience’s abilities.

I suspect after the EF/DW error FD rewrote this situation, opting for a simplified solution and just put it in game, and weaved the Codex around its landscape - originally built by Brookes.

The best way to hide something is within plain sight.

All the ‘clues’ from the Codex align with this theory in my opinion. But the potato hunt might simply just waltz right past it, it’s simply not thorough enough; the assets might not be so obvious, or they may lead us elsewhere outside the bubble…

I feel to some extent the disappearance of the Mars relic has something to do with it. The dates of its discovery align with those concerning the first discovered systems, and that of Tau Ceti and 2296.

I suspect there is an obvious path laid out by the first half of the Codex, and it’s to the Underworld, however from here I potentially identify 3 other locations through simple associations linked either to systems naming or dates of discovery: the first might be somewhere in this underworld / or below it; the second is along or following the path of Jaques as his journey starts and is aligned from this location; the third is that of Delphi, as it too is aligned with this location, but along a different trajectory.

*note image perspective below is looking-down to best show whole situation, the alignment isn’t obvious from this angle.
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If any of this speculation is correct I’m still missing something to exclude these, or identify something else / the next step. My suspicions are the Codex still has something to teach us, and it lies within the later half of that text…

Or course this is just speculation.
 
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Do you have a source reference for that purported MB refutation? Because when I tried to get clarification I just got the standard “no comment”.

Sorry, the Mars Artefact disappeared?? What’s the source reference for that?

FD dont have to have changed anything if Raxxla is that hard to find. If it is a body & you have to be within 50 Km to drop into its instance, as comets suggest, then without a visible signpost we’ll never find it. But as I’ve said, I think the Omphalos needs to be found before Raxxla is downloaded. Not only do we not know what Raxxla is, we don’t know what the Omphalos is either. Hardly surprising it’s not been found yet!!!

“Little bit obvious” means there must be some hints/clues & I cant see any reason why FD would remove those clues on MB’s departure. I suspect “Mother Gaia” is the first, it’s an odd name for a faction. Does it indicate the Gaia satellite as the source of the Raxxla myth, or does it mean something else???
 
Do you have a source reference for that purported MB refutation? Because when I tried to get clarification I just got the standard “no comment”.

Sorry, the Mars Artefact disappeared?? What’s the source reference for that?

FD dont have to have changed anything if Raxxla is that hard to find. If it is a body & you have to be within 50 Km to drop into its instance, as comets suggest, then without a visible signpost we’ll never find it. But as I’ve said, I think the Omphalos needs to be found before Raxxla is downloaded. Not only do we not know what Raxxla is, we don’t know what the Omphalos is either. Hardly surprising it’s not been found yet!!!

“Little bit obvious” means there must be some hints/clues & I cant see any reason why FD would remove those clues on MB’s departure. I suspect “Mother Gaia” is the first, it’s an odd name for a faction. Does it indicate the Gaia satellite as the source of the Raxxla myth, or does it mean something else???
I’m trying to dig that reference out, I saw it only a week ago whilst data diving the internet for various odd links, I had seen it before… it’s a screen grab of a forum post, again, this is speculative and it might be out of context, but I will attempt to re-find it.

My speculation around the Mars relic, is only based upon the potential correlation of dates. Again this is speculation, but I feel the temporal similarities are too close. I don’t believe it identifies anything new (if true), but one speculation is maybe it was stolen or moved, maybe it was linked to the discovery of Raxxla or it points to someplace else.

All just pie in the sky.

But the spacial mapping speculation, I am certain of, again this is based off simple application of logic - it only holds obviously if FD too are applying actual logic as well, and that my interpretation is valid - which of course it might not.
 
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Do you have a source reference for that purported MB refutation? Because when I tried to get clarification I just got the standard “no comment”.
This is currently believed to be nothing more than a rumor. However, Independent Raxxla Hunters discord didn't have the video which I may have just located...

Check out this video "[TIIQ] Michael Brookes Lore Interview" https://www.twitch.tv/djtruthsayer/v/66485194?sr=a&t=76s

Other bits of confirmed official statements that IRH discord have collected over the years:

Confirmed Information               

Raxxla does exist: <
Source: https://youtu.be/-f7Zx7WUwF0?t=13m43s
  • David Braben: "What a silly question, of course!"
  • He didn't say "You don't know what it is" as an answer to the question, he said it to the guy sitting next to him. However, we don't know what it is since we haven't found it yet.

Raxxla is in the Milky Way: <
Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/66485194?t=46s
  • Michael Brookes: "It's in the Milky Way, but I can't tell you where at this stage. It's a journey that everyone has to travel for themselves."
  • There will be no clues, "but I think you'd have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious so people know what they're doing."

⬣ FDev doesn't share information on Raxxla with writers, including Drew Wagar:
-<https://www.twitch.tv/drewwagar/clip/QuaintEmpathicTildeSSSsss>
-https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-2889827
"The subject of alien races came up and, as a writer, he reminded me of an 'Alien background doc' given to the writers as research material. I do have this, but I'm not allowed (due to NDA) to publish it. Raxxla is part of that. None of the writers were allowed to explore Raxxla, it was very much reserved for 'in-house' development (not surprisingly!).

Then DB came out with his statement. I was a little surprise at what he said, but it was in a public space and others overheard it too.

Raxxla definitely exists in ED."
- Drew Wagar

⬣ In 2015, David Braben said that there would be secret organisations which would invite you when you reach certain stages of the game: <
Source: https://youtu.be/gDh9G1gDgMU?t=502

⬣ Currently the only reliable source for clues is the in-game Codex. Previous games and novels are mostly not canon and/or don't have information on Raxxla. They might or might not be used as resource and/or inspiration. Codex entries are below:               The Dark Wheel: http://bit.ly/TDW-codex

Raxxla: http://bit.ly/Raxxla-codex

Codex playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDwoKO1L_wOXx7A5sNwrQdagB_4dPi1Jc

⬣ However "The Codex is a joint initiative from the Pilots Federation and Universal Cartographics": https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/5c0fadbfa9a9182e01271bb2

⬣ The infamous E/F missions that had been given by The Dark Wheel in Shinrarta Dezhra were confirmed removed from the game: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9584643

Forum post: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/

- Do not rely on all of the information posted there but it has extensive researches in it, including information regarding The Dark Wheel missions that were removed.

Sorry, the Mars Artefact disappeared?? What’s the source reference for that?
Unconfirmed but suspected (beacon Non-human relic in Sol merely states non-human). Suspected that Marlin Duval may have snatched the Relic on her exit of Sol. Potentially related to Duval Artifact mission from First Encounters (though there is debate that this may be a separate relic possibly from Exioce), further details about Hengist Duval getting cut on said relic/artifact before being stolen back to the Federation. The Relic/Artifact then goes missing in Beta Hydri. Wanted goes further into this bit of lore and the last person in possession of it was CMDR Khanguire's son, Ji Khanguire. He is given it before departing Whit's Station in the Reddot system (in-game) towards the opposite end of human space with a new identity. The crash at Mitterand Hollow may or may not be related.
 
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It's a journey that everyone has to travel for themselves.
Hopefully, this journey isn't the narrative itself.
Otherwise, it refers to the players who will simply tag along the whole time until Raxxla is woke up by the scenario... I wouldn't rule this out, as disappointing as it would be.
And we will be left with the question: "Could we have found it before it was revealed?"
 
By the way, I kept thinking that the missions about Raxxla were just replaced by missions from Mysteri ... ksata but the missions from Mysteri remained in the game?
 
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