The Quest To Find Raxxla

[yelboc]

All bodies in game, unless tidally locked rotate and orbit in real time, for these stations to point someplace the antenna surely would need to move / rotate in alignment, unless they communicate with an orbital structure.

Have you attempted a time lapse?

FD (ironically) like to attest to real world principles, a future technology for pointing somewhere in space, would not logically reside on a planetary body, but in space.

Surely it’s best to pop a tracking system in deep space. On that logic alone, I think this theory is too reliant on foil…

Lovely side note about foil, during the 20th century lunar missions, the lander had to be so light they left physical gaps within its structure, so in some areas the crew were only protected by a few mm of gold foil,.. amazing and crazy,

Space is large and scary

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Around 36:36 there is a view of the bodies in Sol moving in time lapse. Fascinating considering that we don’t see all this content in game (that map is from pre-Alpha but looks awfully full of extra solar bodies!)…

So at 1:01 - so id Raxxla the planet with David Braben's face in the text inject?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

All bodies in game, unless tidally locked rotate and orbit in real time, for these stations to point someplace the antenna surely would need to move / rotate in alignment, unless they communicate with an orbital structure.

Have you attempted a time lapse?

FD (ironically) like to attest to real world principles, a future technology for pointing somewhere in space, would not logically reside on a planetary body, but in space.

Surely it’s best to pop a tracking system in deep space. On that logic alone, I think this theory is too reliant on foil…

Lovely side note about foil, during the 20th century lunar missions, the lander had to be so light they left physical gaps within its structure, so in some areas the crew were only protected by a few mm of gold foil,.. amazing and crazy,

Space is large and scary

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Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

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Around 36:36 there is a view of the bodies in Sol moving in time lapse. Fascinating considering that we don’t see all this content in game (that map is from pre-Alpha but looks awfully full of extra solar bodies!)…

15 bodies if my eyes arent deceived. 10 planets + Luna & a few other moons....
Wish he was still around, I’d like to ask him about the in-game depictions of the TT, L, Y & T stars as I dont think they're realistic. Too purple, should be dull red to black!
Edit: stars as approximate black body radiators

Blackbody Radiation

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu

Anything cooler than ~4000K should be red, then cherry red, ruby red & black (actually in the infrared hence black to the human eye) not purple!!
Was this something decided in the early Design Decision Forum on “cosmetic” grounds??

 

[Dox Paradox]

There is an investigation of the "telescopes" on the IRH archives.

I'd like to read this, what are those archives, what IRH stand for?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

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I'd like to read this, what are those archives, what IRH stand for?

Independent Raxxla Hunters discord - https://discord.gg/EGUBx3t6

Investigation: #telescope like objects

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I'd like to read this, what are those archives, what IRH stand for?

Independent Raxxla Hunters, you need to join their Discord channel to see their archives

 

[Rochester]

Random thought - what if the title: Astrophel and Spiralling Stars, is not actually important? What if the reference to a ‘children’s story’ is?

Any star systems linked to children’s stories in game?

 

[yelboc]

I'd like to read this, what are those archives, what IRH stand for?

Apologies - Independent Raxxla Hunters discord.

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This server is dedicated to the hunt for Raxxla, an enigmatic mystery in the galaxy of Elite: Dangerous. | 1898 members

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Audio has been analysed and the markings, and a study of where they are pointed to.

[Edit] double ninja'd ! Damnn ! Getting old and slow ;-)

 

[yelboc]

Random thought - what if the title: Astrophel and Spiralling Stars, is not actually important? What if the reference to a ‘children’s story’ is?

Any star systems linked to children’s stories in game?

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There is one very brief mention of a childrens story in Elite:Legacy:

"It seemed natural to me that a girl didn't go to school. Or have toys to play with. I didn't know that it wasn't normal for an entire family to live in a tiny cell. I was too young to work, so while my mother and father slaved in the mines, I remained locked in the cell alone. I had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young man's quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldn't have got it from anywhere else.

"I still have that book."

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

There is one very brief mention of a childrens story in Elite:Legacy:

"It seemed natural to me that a girl didn't go to school. Or have toys to play with. I didn't know that it wasn't normal for an entire family to live in a tiny cell. I was too young to work, so while my mother and father slaved in the mines, I remained locked in the cell alone. I had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young man's quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldn't have got it from anywhere else.

"I still have that book."

This looks promising. I would possibly look for context for a location. "Slaved in the mines" sounds distinctly Imperial - especially Zemina Torval. This is from her Powers profile:

Zemina Torval

“Those who treat their slaves badly should receive the same. After all, how can they work properly if they are not cared for correctly?” -

Senator Zemina Torval

Her HQ is Synteini.

 

[Rochester]

There is one very brief mention of a childrens story in Elite:Legacy:

"It seemed natural to me that a girl didn't go to school. Or have toys to play with. I didn't know that it wasn't normal for an entire family to live in a tiny cell. I was too young to work, so while my mother and father slaved in the mines, I remained locked in the cell alone. I had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young man's quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldn't have got it from anywhere else.

"I still have that book."

Yes - me too, and this was one of my potential allusions, wanted to see if anyone else saw it. It’s been discussed here previously but, I do wonder if Freeholm or the Artemis system (twin sister of Apollo) have some importance based upon this reference in that text to a childrens story?

Artemis doesn’t correlate with any of the existing systems linked to my Underworld hypothesis, although I’d certainly place it within the lower celestial sphere.

My assumptions are looking for abstraction, looking for potential ‘creative’ esoteric interpretations rather than directly specific or literal ones.

The fact that Brookes, a primary potential source for developing the current Raxxla mythos, also penned an official tie-in book for ED, which actually references a children’s story I find very intriguing.

It might not be Artemis, it could be something else within that book, or it could relate to ‘any’ location or characters from any other children’s story!

We have a potential area populated by systems named after the underworld and hidden or lost kingdoms… I’m not saying it is this particular interpretation, I’m just speculating.

The codex reads almost like prose, which much like the works of Milton or Sidney are densely packed with imagery which build picturesque environments, which might draw a path through space or identify a specific area for investigation.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

There is one very brief mention of a childrens story in Elite:Legacy:

"It seemed natural to me that a girl didn't go to school. Or have toys to play with. I didn't know that it wasn't normal for an entire family to live in a tiny cell. I was too young to work, so while my mother and father slaved in the mines, I remained locked in the cell alone. I had no form of entertainment except for a book, a single book about a young man's quest to save a princess from an alien dragon. My father must have bought it on the black market. He couldn't have got it from anywhere else.

"I still have that book."

Legacy-IIRC written by Michael Brookes!
Might hold some clue, but if so I’ll bet it will be convoluted...

 

[yelboc]

Well, Legacy was touted originally as a follow on to the original DW novella. But the actual story doesn't come across like that at all, being about the struggles of a small mining community and its independent faction.

But under the surface there may be some interesting aspects.

In AHTW, the CIEP (who are a splinter of TDW) hold a council meeting, and among the members of the inner circle is Hamer the Fisherman. In Legacy, there is Hammer who's anaconda is made to look like a weak trader vessel but is a trap for pirates. So surely, he is Hammer the Fisherman (complete with mis-spellings, but the editing of both books is pretty weak). So there may be at least one DW member in the story. Ofc he gets killed, so there's no ongoing thread there..

 

[Dox Paradox]

There's a possibility that hasn't been investigated with the "telescopes".
It could be a clue contained in the star logo, as an esoteric sign for those who know. It's common practice for secretive groups, it signals the presence of the group in a hidden yet in plain sight way.
The star arrangement may be a schematic similar to a particular set of stars in the sky.
Or maybe it is a map of the system we are looking for. A quadruple star (the 4 "6-branches" are certainly stars, the rest could be other bodies, planets and gas giants)
The different shapes on the logo could also be different spectral types.
A telescope is a tool of astrophilia, and the logo used has "spiralling-like" stars on it.
I find it difficult to think this hasn't been thought in a world like Elite.

Edit : added logo for reference

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Well, Legacy was touted originally as a follow on to the original DW novella. But the actual story doesn't come across like that at all, being about the struggles of a small mining community and its independent faction.

But under the surface there may be some interesting aspects.

In AHTW, the CIEP (who are a splinter of TDW) hold a council meeting, and among the members of the inner circle is Hamer the Fisherman. In Legacy, there is Hammer who's anaconda is made to look like a weak trader vessel but is a trap for pirates. So surely, he is Hammer the Fisherman (complete with mis-spellings, but the editing of both books is pretty weak). So there may be at least one DW member in the story. Ofc he gets killed, so there's no ongoing thread there..

Hadn't spotted that link, well done!

“Ofc he gets killed, so there's no ongoing thread there..” or is there???

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Well, Legacy was touted originally as a follow on to the original DW novella. But the actual story doesn't come across like that at all, being about the struggles of a small mining community and its independent faction.

But under the surface there may be some interesting aspects.

In AHTW, the CIEP (who are a splinter of TDW) hold a council meeting, and among the members of the inner circle is Hamer the Fisherman. In Legacy, there is Hammer who's anaconda is made to look like a weak trader vessel but is a trap for pirates. So surely, he is Hammer the Fisherman (complete with mis-spellings, but the editing of both books is pretty weak). So there may be at least one DW member in the story. Ofc he gets killed, so there's no ongoing thread there..

“Legacy was billed in the Kickstarter campaign as a sequel to The Dark Wheel, however, I was expecting more of a direct follow up ...There was a throwaway reference to Raxxla near the beginning the story but...”
MB “It was more of a spiritual successor than a direct sequel. We did look at a story involving Raxxla, but felt that was a story that should be played out in game rather than as a novel.”

Fiction - Elite: Legacy

You spelt my name wrong? And after all we've been through? ;) Cheers, Drew. I could blame somebody else for this travesty - but that would be a lie. Michael

forums.frontier.co.uk

EDIT:
OK, new hypothesis!
“Raxxla is a story to be played out in-game”, but maybe there are clues in some of the official novels.
If Hamer is the same character as Hammer the Fisherman, a member of the AHTW’s CIEP inner circle, then the hidden station taken over by TDW is the CIEP’s station from ATHT? Perhaps there are clues in Legacy to the location of that station? I cant see any clues in AHTW; I (& many others) have looked in that book for clues to the station’s location, but perhaps the FD obfuscation has put the clues in another (or perhaps several) book(s)? The change of Hammer to Hamer fooled me completely...

MB did say ”you have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious just so that people know what they are doing”, and he did write Legacy, and he was the Executive Producer so ideally placed to coordinate various book storylines... I’ve always treated the books as separate (apart from Drew’s two), but perhaps this was the fundamental error...

BUT while MB was Exec Producer the game/books etc did seem to be a multi-media experience!

 

[yelboc]

There's a possibility that hasn't been investigated with the "telescopes".
It could be a clue contained in the star logo, as an esoteric sign for those who know. It's common practice for secretive groups, it signals the presence of the group in a hidden yet in plain sight way.
The star arrangement may be a schematic similar to a particular set of stars in the sky.
Or maybe it is a map of the system we are looking for. A quadruple star (the 4 "6-branches" are certainly stars, the rest could be other bodies, planets and gas giants)
The different shapes on the logo could also be different spectral types.
A telescope is a tool of astrophilia, and the logo used has "spiralling-like" stars on it.
I find it difficult to think this hasn't been thought in a world like Elite.

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There is this from about 2016

Major Faction - Independent Logo is absent · Issue #58 · Venefilyn/EDAssets

• Issue: Major Faction - Independent Logo not present in assets • Description: Despite attempts to hide, there is one reliable place to find the Independent logo: Planetary bases. When a base is In...

github.com

Its one of the logos for an Independent base.

 

[yelboc]

“Legacy was billed in the Kickstarter campaign as a sequel to The Dark Wheel, however, I was expecting more of a direct follow up ...There was a throwaway reference to Raxxla near the beginning the story but...”
MB “It was more of a spiritual successor than a direct sequel. We did look at a story involving Raxxla, but felt that was a story that should be played out in game rather than as a novel.”

Fiction - Elite: Legacy

You spelt my name wrong? And after all we've been through? ;) Cheers, Drew. I could blame somebody else for this travesty - but that would be a lie. Michael

forums.frontier.co.uk

EDIT:
OK, new hypothesis!
“Raxxla is a story to be played out in-game”, but maybe there are clues in some of the official novels.
If Hamer is the same character as Hammer the Fisherman, a member of the AHTW’s CIEP inner circle, then the hidden station taken over by TDW is the CIEP’s station from ATHT? Perhaps there are clues in Legacy to the location of that station? I cant see any clues in AHTW; I (& many others) have looked in that book for clues to the station’s location, but perhaps the FD obfuscation has put the clues in another (or perhaps several) book(s)? The change of Hammer to Hamer fooled me completely...

MB did say ”you have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious just so that people know what they are doing”, and he did write Legacy, and he was the Executive Producer so ideally placed to coordinate various book storylines... I’ve always treated the books as separate (apart from Drew’s two), but perhaps this was the fundamental error...

BUT while MB was Exec Producer the game/books etc did seem to be a multi-media experience!

I think the station thing is on the mark. The codex says abandoned and thats exactly what the CIEPs stations were. Natural for TDW to take them back under its auspices after the CIEPs decimation. CIEP also probably still exist, but much diminished, according to the authors comments.

Gunn's CIEP station has a fairly detailed description of its environs, but alas all system descriptions in the novels are unreliable as things changed after their final edit. The GG in the book, called there 'Middleton', does not exist anywhere under that name, again due likely to the botched implementation of the authors requests for systems in game. The cockups here are legion - some systems have swapped assets due to human error. All of this makes finding the CIEP assets extremely difficult.

The author's notes at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...eel-may-contain-spoilers.402645/#post-6366667 are instructive and also give a fair view of some of the issues between FD and the authors with respects to accuracy of the in game data.

Certainly there is some attempt between the authors to drop little cross links in between books - the CIEP council being a prime example with it also having Luko on board. Would that we could identify the others, particularly The Architect , as he is likely running the CIEP show now.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I think the station thing is on the mark. The codex says abandoned and thats exactly what the CIEPs stations were. Natural for TDW to take them back under its auspices after the CIEPs decimation. CIEP also probably still exist, but much diminished, according to the authors comments.

Gunn's CIEP station has a fairly detailed description of its environs, but alas all system descriptions in the novels are unreliable as things changed after their final edit. The GG in the book, called there 'Middleton', does not exist anywhere under that name, again due likely to the botched implementation of the authors requests for systems in game. The cockups here are legion - some systems have swapped assets due to human error. All of this makes finding the CIEP assets extremely difficult.

The author's notes at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...eel-may-contain-spoilers.402645/#post-6366667 are instructive and also give a fair view of some of the issues between FD and the authors with respects to accuracy of the in game data.

Certainly there is some attempt between the authors to drop little cross links in between books - the CIEP council being a prime example with it also having Luko on board. Would that we could identify the others, particularly The Architect , as he is likely running the CIEP show now.

“
Which system is Gunn's hidden circle space station in? It is probably a former imperial system since the rotation generates imperial standard gravity. It's somewhere explored, in the frontier, but apparently uninhabited apart from the Ceepers. The base is round a blue-white-green striped gas giant orbiting outside an asteroid belt around a red dwarf; it wasn't destroyed, so where is it?

SECRET”

The TDW codex pic does indeed look like the Orbis is orbiting a gas giant of a red dwarf. This is why I spent some time looking at star colours vs temperature over the last few days. IMHO the codex pic is correct vs real life; the in-game star colours are incorrect as no star should be so purple. Red dwarfs are cool and should be dull red in appearance, brown dwarfs etc get cooler so should be even darker red fading towards black (but actually radiating in the infrared).

But I’d also missed that there should be 4 to 7 CIEP bases since the project Endure message went to 7 destinations & at least 4 were base commanders. Soontill was the main base, the Orbis another, so at least two more CIEP bases....

Edit
No the gas giant Middleton is where they got trapped by the Ceeper fighters, not where the Ceeper Orbis was located. In the book Middleton was in “CD 32-331 system”, & in response to the questions John Harper clarified the system numbers might have been transposed in-game

 

[Emperor]

Random thought - what if the title: Astrophel and Spiralling Stars, is not actually important? What if the reference to a ‘children’s story’ is?

Any star systems linked to children’s stories in game?

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princess astrophel and the spiralling stars...

Astrophel being star lover...Princess Andromeda?

And the spiralling stars....Cassiopeia is close to the North Star, and never sinks below the horizon as it rotates in plain sight around the North Star?

Just a thought

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Gunn's CIEP station has a fairly detailed description of its environs, but alas all system descriptions in the novels are unreliable as things changed after their final edit. The GG in the book, called there 'Middleton', does not exist anywhere under that name, again due likely to the botched implementation of the authors requests for systems in game. The cockups here are legion - some systems have swapped assets due to human error. All of this makes finding the CIEP assets extremely difficult.

Freeholm in Artemis is the only asteroid base in an Imperial system. If you also factor in Independent systems, there are a total of 48 but most are not near Imperial territory. Start at Freeholm.