I think the station thing is on the mark. The codex says abandoned and thats exactly what the CIEPs stations were. Natural for TDW to take them back under its auspices after the CIEPs decimation. CIEP also probably still exist, but much diminished, according to the authors comments.

Gunn's CIEP station has a fairly detailed description of its environs, but alas all system descriptions in the novels are unreliable as things changed after their final edit. The GG in the book, called there 'Middleton', does not exist anywhere under that name, again due likely to the botched implementation of the authors requests for systems in game. The cockups here are legion - some systems have swapped assets due to human error. All of this makes finding the CIEP assets extremely difficult.

The author's notes at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...eel-may-contain-spoilers.402645/#post-6366667 are instructive and also give a fair view of some of the issues between FD and the authors with respects to accuracy of the in game data.

Certainly there is some attempt between the authors to drop little cross links in between books - the CIEP council being a prime example with it also having Luko on board. Would that we could identify the others, particularly The Architect , as he is likely running the CIEP show now.
human error...or obfuscation?
 
I think the station thing is on the mark. The codex says abandoned and thats exactly what the CIEPs stations were. Natural for TDW to take them back under its auspices after the CIEPs decimation. CIEP also probably still exist, but much diminished, according to the authors comments.

Gunn's CIEP station has a fairly detailed description of its environs, but alas all system descriptions in the novels are unreliable as things changed after their final edit. The GG in the book, called there 'Middleton', does not exist anywhere under that name, again due likely to the botched implementation of the authors requests for systems in game. The cockups here are legion - some systems have swapped assets due to human error. All of this makes finding the CIEP assets extremely difficult.

The author's notes at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...eel-may-contain-spoilers.402645/#post-6366667 are instructive and also give a fair view of some of the issues between FD and the authors with respects to accuracy of the in game data.

Certainly there is some attempt between the authors to drop little cross links in between books - the CIEP council being a prime example with it also having Luko on board. Would that we could identify the others, particularly The Architect , as he is likely running the CIEP show now.
Patience Middleton relevant?
 
By transposed he meant a 8 got turned into an 3 !

That's all correct. There were at least 4 bases. Gunns bases description is unreliable - blue green gas giants don't really exist in game. Judging by his comment FD gave some descriptions to him to incorporate, but things like the planet graphics and system contents are most likely to have got altered. This is borne out across all the books and in his comments.
 
Patience Middleton relevant?
I happen to be at T Tauri ( great name for a system - a star type and a constellation member). The asteroid base is owned by Azimuth Biotech. Its inside a planetary nebula (anyone remember refs to a dust cloud hiding the DW hq?)
 
I happen to be at T Tauri ( great name for a system - a star type and a constellation member). The asteroid base is owned by Azimuth Biotech. Its inside a planetary nebula (anyone remember refs to a dust cloud hiding the DW hq?)
No reference other than the codex pic which shows a red dwarf or protostar. Protostars are fuelled by a collapsing gas/dust cloud, the core is heated by gravitational collapse. The in-ship hud when a protostar is targeted shows the star with dust cloud moving over its surface. Could also be a cool red dwarf (L0-L2, perhaps M7-9) in a dust cloud. Star temperature likely would be between 1900K -3000K.
 
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If TDW’s station is the CIEP station from AHTW then it operates with Standard Imperial gravity, so it’s likely nearer Achenar than Sol...🧐

Googled it but got no results. the Emperor’s residence is on Capitol (Achenar 6D) which has gravity 1.4 that of Earth, so it would make sense for that to be “Imperial Standard Gravity”. So it will have either a larger habitation ring than Fed stations, or faster rotation rate.
 
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By transposed he meant a 8 got turned into an 3 !

That's all correct. There were at least 4 bases. Gunns bases description is unreliable - blue green gas giants don't really exist in game. Judging by his comment FD gave some descriptions to him to incorporate, but things like the planet graphics and system contents are most likely to have got altered. This is borne out across all the books and in his comments.
Likely CD-82 331 then, though in-game has 7 GG, logically “Middleton” would be #4, but in-book there’s 2 GG and a settled rocky planet...
 
I think that was the consensus at the time - that it was the best match - its in the right sort of area. And as I remarked, the contents of systems changed between final edit and release of the game.
 
Remember that FD has never confirmed that the DW station is actually in the game.
It is most likely not implemented yet.
When they put it in, there will probably be hints in the release trailer and we can have a mass search, like we always do.😁
 
Remember that FD has never confirmed that the DW station is actually in the game. It is most likely not implemented yet. When they put it in, there will probably be hints in the release trailer and we can have a mass search, like we always do.😁

True - but i will be especially unhappy if its not in game. It is the only part of this “mystery” with the slightest bit of a thread to follow. - i hate cell phones
 
The codex is a funny thing, the majority of it goes towards establishing that there actually is no way to contact the DW, also that the DW faction we know of is very likely bogus (which we know via DW is likely true); it essentially says don’t bother looking because there will be no confirmation.

But then it goes and gives us new information; the possibility that its a dark (low power) station, of toroid type, that it was situated around the eighth moon of a gas giant (maybe).

The existence of such new information would propagate the hypothesis it is out there, but we have no clue where to look… so it might logically be down to finding it randomly (unless the codex gives additional clues)?

One idea I had was it’s just out there as a dead station, a wreck, with audio logs which provide a backstory, possibly additional clues to other things, I don’t necessarily feel it’s an active society we can engage with directly…
 
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So in the codex it mentions how some people try hard to exclude their offspring from its membership because its dangerous - ofc thats Robert and Jordan Garry, and quite possibly Jordan was a Ryder. So the codex is consistent with AHTW - almost telling us where to look. Robert Garry is still alive at the end of the book, having retired to unknown destinations.
 
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