One idea I had was it’s just out there as a dead station, a wreck, with audio logs which provide a backstory, possibly additional clues to other things, I don’t necessarily feel it’s an active society we can engage with directly…
Counterpoint:

Per Wanted Black Mausoleum is a legal "no man's land" in furthest reaches of Beta Hydri and has been for awhile. The issue is between the Imperials (who built it) and the Federation as it was left off the treaty 2381. I would not really call this a peace treaty so much as "your presence will be tolerated" kind of agreement. That station is not dead. That said, I would not suggest disembarking there without being heavily armed.

 
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The codex is a funny thing, the majority of it goes towards establishing that there actually is no way to contact the DW, also that the DW faction we know of is very likely bogus (which we know via DW is likely true), it essentially says don’t bother looking because there will be no confirmation.

But then it goes and gives us new information, the possibility that it exists as a dark (low power) station, a toroid type, then it it was situated around the eighth moon of a gas gus t (maybe).

The existence of new information would propagate the hypothesis it is out there, but we have no clue where to look (except for the codex)… so it might logically be down to finding it randomly?

One idea I had was it’s just out there as a dead station, a wreck, with audio logs which provide a backstory, possibly additional clues to other things, I don’t necessarily feel it’s an active society we can engage with directly…
It might be named “Raxxla Station”! 😉
 
So in the codex it mentions how some people try hard to exclude their offspring from its membership because its dangerous - ofc thats Robert and Jordan Garry, and quite possibly Jordan was a Ryder. So the codex is consistent with AHTW - almost telling us where to look. Robert Garry is still alive at the end of the book, having retired to unknown destinations.
Oberon was Robert’s grandfather; not sure if gender of his child(ren) was made clear in AHTW. Either Jordan was Oberon’s son & had changed his surname to Garry to escape CIEP, or he had married Oberon’s daughter. Long time since I read it, must reread. Seem to remember something about Robert trying to find his mother’s burial location but wasn't where he’d been told...is the implication that she was Oberon’s daughter & grave was actually on Soontill?

But the similarity of AHTW’s Hamer the Fisherman and Legacy’s Hammer (the pirate hunter) is interesting. From AHTW CIEP clearly hated pirates... Two books to reread!
 
Your a bit late to that debate, it was discussed a while back and concluded you must have completely ignored that silly part of the game and stayed mainly in Solo :ROFLMAO:

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And this is why you'll never find it.......the dark stations lights only come on to those who have Elite in everything.
 
And this is why you'll never find it.......the dark stations lights only come on to those who have Elite in everything.
You say that jokingly but it is definitely a possibility that the object itself is very unlikely to be found by normal search (like any other random thing that would not show on scanner and would only be visible from a short distance), and that a message leading to it can be only received from someone with sextuple Elite or with some special triggers.
As player progressed through the ranks, the requirements may have been upped too.
 
You say that jokingly but it is definitely a possibility that the object itself is very unlikely to be found by normal search (like any other random thing that would not show on scanner and would only be visible from a short distance), and that a message leading to it can be only received from someone with sextuple Elite or with some special triggers.
As player progressed through the ranks, the requirements may have been upped too.
Sorry to pop your bubble but I'm 6 x Elite V and I haven't received any message leading to Raxxla :p
Nothing.. not even a postcard from Braben hahaha
 
The DW codex is very clear on this, there is no invite, and if there was you would not know of it nor have any confirmation about it, the only way of knowing you were in the DW (if it still exists) is to find the station.

The text if intentional, effectively is retconning Elite lore (the mythology and the manual) IMPO by wrapping it up in myth and giving new intelligence effectively saying - there is no invite.

However the existence of new information - ergo location descriptions, gives the indication something else is out there.

Because it’s been effectively demystified said content is likely just historical or a dead end Easter egg; something I find more appealing for a large community based game, as ED is not a single player save the Princess game, we’re all just cogs in the machine. It should not matter who finds it.

On pressing FD Support and Devs on this over the years, applying cross examination they continue to refuse to state it’s ‘not’ out there, simply responding ’go out and look for yourself’ - the logic that FD has injected a codex specifically about the DW and Raxxla denotes some semblance of confirmation an asset/s exists.

To presume that neither exists is to establish that FD have been deceiving players. An argument I don’t believe is true considering the evidence.

At most the DW station exists, at a minimum it might be a dead hulk / Easter egg, which either doesn’t do anything or gives some arcane directions to other content. Likewise Raxxla might just be only another dead hulk asset / Easter egg, that either provides some historical context / insight or a new narrative direction!

Both assets can be hidden easily, either via being dark and not appearing on scanners or obfuscated via naming or by being mission or data locked, eg scanning every system near it…

Braben described a very old pre-launch mechanism behind exploration, how dark systems were to be found, eg they were brown dwarf stars not visible on the map, but you flew around mapping sectors - then poof a dark system resolves itself / or you find them visa-versa via miss-jump, FD insinuated the game mysteries were situated in those areas!. It’s logical to assume those locations are now visible, but so boring no one gives them any attention.

That might still be a factor in game (doubtful !) as we also know FD can hide stars from the gal map, there are Dev test systems and there are errors in the catalogs (likely why I presume said exploration mechanics were never implemented, because it’s broken).

Final note, I assume something is out there, we know not what, because to quest is simply to explore. It is not necessarily the goal to find the objective, but to expand our knowledge and map the unknown, even if that proves it wrong.
 
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The DW codex is very clear on this, there is no invite, and if there was you would not know of it nor have any confirmation about it, the only way of knowing you were in the DW (if it still exists) is to find the station.

The text if intentional, effectively is retconning Elite lore (the mythology and the manual) IMPO by wrapping it up in myth and giving new intelligence effectively saying - there is no invite.

However the existence of new information - ergo location descriptions, gives the indication something else is out there.

Because it’s been effectively demystified said content is likely just historical or a dead end Easter egg; something I find more appealing for a large community based game, as ED is not a single player save the Princess game, we’re all just cogs in the machine. It should not matter who finds it.

On pressing FD Support and Devs on this over the years, applying cross examination they continue to refuse to state it’s ‘not’ out there, simply responding ’go out and look for yourself’ - the logic that FD has injected a codex specifically about the DW and Raxxla denotes some semblance of confirmation an asset/s exists.

To presume that neither exists is to establish that FD have been deceiving players. An argument I don’t believe is true considering the evidence.

At most the DW station exists, at a minimum it might be a dead hulk / Easter egg, which either doesn’t do anything or gives some arcane directions to other content. Likewise Raxxla might just be only another dead hulk asset / Easter egg, that either provides some historical context / insight or a new narrative direction!

Both assets can be hidden easily, either via being dark and not appearing on scanners or obfuscated via naming or by being mission or data locked, eg scanning every system near it…

I do recall discussions of Braben potentially saying it can be found by multiple scans of an area…(still no evidence of that quote!), that might hold with the very old pre-launch mechanism behind exploration and how dark systems were to be found, eg they were brown dwarf stars not visible on the map, but you flew around and mapped a sector - then poof a dark system resolves itself / or you find them visa-versa via miss-jump, FD insinuated the game mysteries were situated in those areas. It’s logical to assume those locations are now visible, but so dull no one gives them any attention.

That might still be a factor in game (doubtful !) as we know FD can hide stars from the gal map, there are Dev test systems and there are errors in the catalogs (likely why I presume said exploration mechanics were never implemented, because it’s broken).

Final note, something is out there, we know not what, to quest is simply to explore. It is not necessarily the goal to find the objective, but to expand our knowledge and map the unknown, even if that proves it wrong.
Didn’t you know?
Raxxla is the trolls you’ve met along the way!
 
Permits are unlikely I presume, because we know many of them already, and those we can’t access are narratively locked.

Being devils advocate I doubt Raxxla is narratively locked, simply because the existence of the codex renders such a narrative gate illogical.

We know from FD that the older EF/DW missions were removed. We know the Trinkets are potentially linked, and are also part of a story, confirmed by FD to have been paused (notes in this thread), it was hinted it could be turned back on!

Is it outside the realms of possibility that Raxxla was in game, but locked behind a narrative, only for that narrative to be paused following a certain person’s departure, is it plausible that Raxxla storyline could be activated in the future? Who knows?

But again the existence of the Codex and FD public statements that something is out there is counterintuitive. If found to have been narratively locked for almost 10 years FD will only shoot themselves in the foot with another PR disaster, unless they wipe the evidence from this thread ;). Considering their track record either might still be likely!

Presumably if there has been any significant change or error, it would have been better for them to simply bin the wider content (story) but then leave or insert an asset in game for general discovery… which in itself could be utilised as a trigger to reopen any paused narrative, if fixed. IMPO.

Either way, you have to ask yourself why explore if there potentially isn’t anything there?

I do so because I enjoy exploring generally and Raxxla gives an otherwise stale process context, and it’s a a good mystery too, and from what I’ve observed there are things out there which warrant such investigation so it’s not totally imaginary.

Rant over :)
 
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Still feel a Lovecraft influence is missing somehow…
 
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Oberon was Robert’s grandfather; not sure if gender of his child(ren) was made clear in AHTW. Either Jordan was Oberon’s son & had changed his surname to Garry to escape CIEP, or he had married Oberon’s daughter. Long time since I read it, must reread. Seem to remember something about Robert trying to find his mother’s burial location but wasn't where he’d been told...is the implication that she was Oberon’s daughter & grave was actually on Soontill?

But the similarity of AHTW’s Hamer the Fisherman and Legacy’s Hammer (the pirate hunter) is interesting. From AHTW CIEP clearly hated pirates... Two books to reread!
Let's be clear Soontill has always been a dead-end and always will be. Not a soul has been born on or ever set foot on Soontill 1 where the supposed base is located. I mean, seriously, not a soul is going to be born there when the atmosphere is silicates and iron with >9 million atmospheres of pressure and surface hotter than some stars. In a case of rather uncharacteristic generosity, we were absolutely up front with CMDRs this is totally rubbish:

  • First of all, there was the GalNet involving Jjagged Bbanner (the Dream-Ware band) and their ties to prior alien artifact auctions which were notably fraudulent. See "Soontill Alien Artefacts to be Auctioned at Ngurii" on GalNet.
  • Secondly, there was the GalNet "Soontill Test Results Queried". There is an expert, Jean Molyneaux, who warns of possibility of a more terrestrial origins of these relics. The CMDR is further warned of "50 years of false hopes".
  • Thirdly, there is the organization selling the relics at Cheranovsky City, Ngurii - Garry's Reclamations. That should have triggered 🚩 warnings in people's heads.
  • Finally, we have the in-game description of the engineer Elvira Martuuk:
    Elvira Martuuk is a well known explorer although she is rumoured to have once been a deadly assassin before heading out into black. Some have claimed she needed to 'cool off' after a particularly high profile case, so went exploring, but Elvira denies it. She is fascinated by all things alien, and has become expert at spotting human fakes. Her reputation is such that her base is rarely troubled by freebooters. She believes in being self-sufficient, and her tight-knit group grows all their own food. Develop your relationship with her to discover another engineer.
I don't blame the CMDRs. They were blinded by desire. There were efforts to warn you away from this pathway. You cannot claim ignorance.

For any increase in consciousness, there is a price. It cannot be dodged. You earther learn the lesson and move on or the consequences of ignorance ultimately catch up with you. Sometimes getting exactly what you want has unknown costs. Happiness is not assured.

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