I've just discovered there are activable doors on some (all?) orbital installations. Maintenance tunnels that open upon contact with the ship.
The actionnable doors are marked with a glowing red triangle.
It looks like a CQC thing, but since we mentioned passing through doors as a gateway to Raxxla or something else I felt like mentioning it.
Maybe it is well known but I never heard about it myself
Tunnel0.jpg
TriangleMeansPushMe.jpg
Tunnel.jpg
ALockedDoor).jpeg
.
 
O7 and thank you!
My point is:
isn't it strange that they said that there would be no hints although they gave us a lot to talk about?
I mean there are clearly some "hints" which points in the direction of telling us it is out there. Maybe the "no hint" thing it's a hint itself!
Maybe we should focus only on what we have in the game!
And probably this has already been said but I would like to confront my thoughts just to be sure!
Another thing I'm trying to analyze is the toast :
"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies.
To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void
The parent's grief, the lover's woe
And the yearning of our Vagabond Hearts."

This is a pretty big hint if you ask me!
I've already read all sorts of hypotesis about this but maybe we didn't look hard enough.
For me the most plausible thing is the theory involving Cassiopea... and the parent's grief, the lover woe I think may be something related to the distance between certain systems... what is the parent's grief? being far away from his son/s or daughter/s and what is the lovers' woe? being far away from each other... I don't really know!
As I said, I think we should go maybe a little back (not meaning that noone should not pursue their own theory of course) because for me the "no hint" thing it just does not make sense.
No harm in revisiting past conversation, at some point, someone with a fresh perspective will pass by and see the totally obvious clue we're all missing ;)
My thoughts on the toast:

"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies.
The mother of galaxies, i think, are nebulae and gravity
The jewel that burns, sounds like a star to me...
Which nebulae has a 'brow'?
I'm not even sure what a brow could mean in this context, other than an eyebrow?

To the whisperer in witch-space, the siren of the deepest void
The deepest void I can think of, is a black hole, specifically, a super-massive one, like Sag A*
What is its 'siren'? Is there something hidden in the sound spectrum of black holes?
The whisperer in witch-space is another weird clue, is there something hidden in the sound spectrum when making FSD jumps?

The parent's grief, the lover's woe
These both seem to talk about something similar, emotions
I think the lover's woe represents separation or a broken heart while parent's grief represents loss of a child?

And the yearning of our Vagabond Hearts."
No clue here really, i keep coming back to things like love, adventure, discovery, fame, riches
Remember that this is the Dark Wheel toast, and I'm guessing the members yearn for all/most of the above...
I think this last line is effectively meaningless, as in, there are no clues in this line really?

The Dark Wheel supposedly is/was headed by someone in the Ryder family, could it be that someone from this family has written this toast?
Alex Ryders mother, the wife of Jason Ryder, has lost both a lover and a child to the Dark Wheel
There is also an engineer with a relation to the Ryder family (Liz Ryder)...
 
Yup but not wanting to be pedantic, other than something obviously being there, how does the codex lead us up there, in the first place, in relation to the other elements described in the codex?

View attachment 354350
I don't know. :)
I've just discovered there are activable doors on some (all?) orbital installations. Maintenance tunnels that open upon contact with the ship.
The actionnable doors are marked with a glowing red triangle.
It looks like a CQC thing, but since we mentioned passing through doors as a gateway to Raxxla or something else I felt like mentioning it.
Maybe it is well known but I never heard about it myselfView attachment 354371View attachment 354372View attachment 354373View attachment 354374.
The installation Steelhook Hold at Ra had a funny tunnel, too, with some strange shiny thingy in it. At least it was so in 3.8. Have no spare commanders anywhere nearby to make a screenshot - 3 of 4 are more than 20k Ly out and the only one relatively close is on strike because he suffered from severe lags in FSS last weekend. I guess we need more parallel "legacy" timelines to get more spare commanders...
 
I've just discovered there are activable doors on some (all?) orbital installations. Maintenance tunnels that open upon contact with the ship.
The actionnable doors are marked with a glowing red triangle.
It looks like a CQC thing, but since we mentioned passing through doors as a gateway to Raxxla or something else I felt like mentioning it.
Maybe it is well known but I never heard about it myselfView attachment 354371View attachment 354372View attachment 354373View attachment 354374.
Nope, spent many an hour diving into corridors in space installations, looking for the one that is the Omphalos, the key and the door...
But you set my heart racing- I thought at first you'd found a door in a Guardian space beacon!!! 😱😱
 
Well is a sense our FSD enabled spaceships are keys that are also doors apparently, we can literally open doors with this key, by pressing on this door and then we go in witchspace with it.
Are we supposed to activate the FSD in one of this corridors, targeting a star in front? Normally we would be mass-locked.
What if we are not and the structure act as an amplificator instead?
Edit : Just to be clear with the previous post with doors and corridors. It is sometimes network of doors and tunnels behind a first outside door with more doors and tunnels in all three dimensions.
 
Last edited:
Yup but not wanting to be pedantic, other than something obviously being there, how does the codex lead us up there, in the first place, in relation to the other elements described in the codex?

View attachment 354350
To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!

ALLEGED TOAST OF THE DARK WHEEL

Jewel that burns - The Great Diamond asterism itself. The components are amongst the brightest stars visible from Earth.

Whisper in Witchspace - Reachable within a few jumps / call to adventure.

Siren of the deepest void - Need to explore but also the Boötes Void or Great void is in that generalized direction viewed from Earth. Remember, TDW likely started in Sol itself. In addition, the area also features the Virgo cluster of galaxies and is notable for the sharp differences within close proximity as viewed from Earth.

Parent's grief, lover's woe - The Eleusinian Mystery cult (cult of Demeter and Persephone) was based on the sadness of Demeter when her daughter is taken down to the Underworld by Hades. Hecate guides Persephone back to Earth triggering Spring. Lover's woe comes from Persephone and Hades repeated 6 month separation every year. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries

The other thing is the Frameshift Suite itself.
FrameshiftSuite.png
 
Last edited:
Arcturus: 21.70Ly from Diadem. Parent's grief.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctu...thought to be,stars in the Sun's neighborhood:

Mythology

Arcturus in Arctophyllax
See also: Ursa Major § Mythology, and Boötes § History and mythology
One astronomical tradition associates Arcturus with the mythology around Arcas, who was about to shoot and kill his own mother Callisto who had been transformed into a bear. Zeus averted their imminent tragic fate by transforming the boy into the constellation Boötes, called Arctophylax "bear guardian" by the Greeks, and his mother into Ursa Major (Greek: Arctos "the bear"). The account is given in Hyginus's Astronomy.
[34]
 
Maybe each piece is a star from different constellations that creates it's own "Great Diamond of Virgo". Or not...

  • Schedar being the brightest start in Cassiopeiae
  • Whisper in Witch-Space? No idea
  • Siren of the Deepest Void? Feel like there's a connection here with Demeter and Persephone/Cora. I believe Demeter sent sirens to watch over Persephone. They failed and were turned into bird-like creatures. I know they're typically depicted as bird-like creatures in art.
  • The parent's grief, lover's woe - Persephone/Cora

As someone has said the Elysian mysterious seems so apparent here. And it was also said in here that some answers might be discoverable underground - connection between Cora being in the underworld and the codex's Cora claiming she wants to 'dig it up'.

Very apparent to me that there's an obvious Greek connection. No idea how to tie all of it. Maybe we need to travel from one system to next to unlock something? Or the form a "map" or a "Great Diamond of Virgo".
 
Siren of the Deepest Void? Feel like there's a connection here with Demeter and Persephone/Cora. I believe Demeter sent sirens to watch over Persephone. They failed and were turned into bird-like creatures. I know they're typically depicted as bird-like creatures in art.
Apparently, it was Demeter that turned the Sirens into birds to help in the search for Persephone.

 
Interestingly, in Elite Dangerous we only have a Scylla and no Charybdis. One of the closest systems is Eurybia which a bit curious 🤔



Ninabin is closer but having trouble finding a reference.
 
I quickly read this article and it came to me that maybe we should search for it in a specific time of the year or during this specific time if we go in a specific place we may see something that could lead to it...
I mean this talks about "heavenly portals" and stuff..... It's pretty straightforward!
 
Nysa - home of the Hyades Nymphs

Nysa is in game and situated close to Achenar. Many of the systems in this area have a similar link to concepts of an underworld or lost / sunken kingdoms.

Within the marriage between Persephone (daughter of the goddess Demeter) and the god of the Underworld, Pluto. Nysa proudly boasted a sanctuary of Pluto and Core (Persephone), as well as a cave thought to provide an entrance directly into the Underworld.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10101133

Persephone was also guarded by Sirens while picking flowers in Nysa, that’s also the location where Hades abducted her!
 
Last edited:
Nysa - home of the Hyades Nymphs

Nysa is in game and situated close to Achenar. Many of the systems in this area have a similar link to concepts of an underworld or lost / sunken kingdoms.

Within the marriage between Persephone (daughter of the goddess Demeter) and the god of the Underworld, Pluto. Nysa proudly boasted a sanctuary of Pluto and Core (Persephone), as well as a cave thought to provide an entrance directly into the Underworld.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10101133
Wow this is very interesting.

What program are you using to pinpoint those locations?
 
Nysa - home of the Hyades Nymphs

Nysa is in game and situated close to Achenar. Many of the systems in this area have a similar link to concepts of an underworld or lost / sunken kingdoms.

Within the marriage between Persephone (daughter of the goddess Demeter) and the god of the Underworld, Pluto. Nysa proudly boasted a sanctuary of Pluto and Core (Persephone), as well as a cave thought to provide an entrance directly into the Underworld.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10101133
How close is Baltah'Sine to your path the the Underworld? This featured heavily into Nemorensis. The species there (in the book) seems like a candidate for Raxxlans or a bio-weapon designed by them. Baltah'Sine is also home to the rare good Baltah'sine Vacuum Krill. I believe they parasitized humans into fixing the Talmor Lens. The thing in the book could hijack living things and computers. The last chapter has the story of one of Humanity's rogue AIs.

On that note: Are Vacuum Krill the infant form of Thargoids? Also, was the critter in Nemorensis being controlled by vacuum krill?

This is Baltah'Sine system description:
Most notable feature is a Station: home to approximately 2 million people. Because of its close proximity to all three superpowers it is a crossroads of cultural, financial and political influences. Often used as a place to conduct business and trade which wouldn't be entirely legal in one or more of the factional jurisdictions. It also has a reputation for bohemianism: a place of gap-year students, sexual experimentation, artistic ennui and a general anything-goes-ism.

 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom