The Quest To Find Raxxla

[CMDR Davanix]

Just remember....Marlin Duval dies in 2296.....leader of the mass traversal to Achenar through unexplored space from Sol

What if Marlin is Princess Astrophel and the route is the spiraling stars, she or the course taken from the lore ingame may be the story with the clues we need

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Just remember....Marlin Duval dies in 2296.....leader of the mass traversal to Achenar through unexplored space from Sol

What if Marlin is Princess Astrophel and the route is the spiraling stars, she or the course taken from the lore ingame may be the story with the clues we need

Throwing this out there precisely because of that fact: Capella has the following named bodies and stations which should serve as that something very important happened there:


Bodies:

• Duval's Grave
• Gold
• Nobleworld
• Molotov's Claim*
• Lawrence's Grave

Stations:

• Charles Orbiter**
• Darkesport***
• Matthews Base
• Schmidt Orbiter

I am mostly convinced this is where Marlin Duval and her husband is killed. Did I mention it is a FEDERAL system? Numerous names here show up elsewhere in human space.

* - Molotovworld is in Soholia (yes the Sohalian Fever system).
** - Charles is I believe associated with numerous planets and stations (exceptions for Charles deGaul).
*** - Darkes is also connected to Epsilon Eridani via Darkes Orbiter. I believe Facece or somewhere has planet or moons which mentioned it, too.

Something BIG happens in Capella very damn early. Events there may connect to a lot of other events elsewhere. Also, it appears it wasn't just the brother of Marlin Duval that wanted his sister dead. Apparently, the Feds were involved, too.

 

[GURU-951]

Just remember....Marlin Duval dies in 2296.....leader of the mass traversal to Achenar through unexplored space from Sol

What if Marlin is Princess Astrophel and the route is the spiraling stars, she or the course taken from the lore ingame may be the story with the clues we need

If anything goes down in 2296, it’s gotta be connected. I hadn’t ever thought of this connection to Marlin Duval. Solid advice here. If it has Duval name on it, I’d imagine it should hold at least some piece of the puzzle, if not a major one.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

I'll report back on further connections. Yes, I've been there but didn't see anything glaringly obvious. I don't know if we need to trigger something via missions or what. Though, it is equally possible this was to showcase the events in 2296 were much worse. The really weird thing: Capella is not on the line from Tau Ceti to Achenar. I suspect Marlin Duval is the funder of Mayflower 97. If this is the case, the Mayflower 97 leaves Sol for Tau Ceti. They drop colonists that ultimately settle Tau Ceti (this was in the First Encounters journals) and presumably went to Achenar. I had discovered this probably in 2017. I forget if I went there by curiosity or was brought there via missions. It struck me as odd then and I still cannot make sense of it fully even factoring in the old lore.

 

[Grens404]

And just when I thought I might be able to help in this quest I realize I know nothing about this quest.... lol

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

And just when I thought I might be able to help in this quest I realize I know nothing about this quest.... lol

Everyone starts out that way. Don't feel discouraged. There's a fair amount that got mentioned almost in passing in GalNet or tourist beacon that ties to other stuff. Explore, trade, whatever it takes to see the human bubble. There's all kinds of angles this can be approached from. Also, surprising as it may sound I'm not one of the folks who played the older games. I just read lots and payed attention during my travels. Everyone can help. Besides, 2296 was 1,013 years ago in the Elite Universe. If something seems off, it may well be important.

We all share this in common: we all want Raxxla found but still don't know exactly what we are searching for exactly.
In case you are interested, here's the discord invite for Indepent Raxxla Hunters discord: https://discord.gg/bfMXJr4

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

And just when I thought I might be able to help in this quest I realize I know nothing about this quest.... lol

Nor does anyone else..see

The Quest To Find Raxxla

I agree. I think the alleged DB quote (there is no corroborative evidence) may have been about something else or is out of date. We don't have a date for it but it seems to be from the very early livestreams (2014-15?) and disagrees with what MB said about Raxxla (see my earlier summary of...

forums.frontier.co.uk

There’s a lot of hypothesising based upon very little evidence.
And I can see no evidence at all to indicate any mythology is involved in the puzzle.

 

[Rochester]

There’s a lot of hypothesising based upon very little evidence.
And I can see no evidence at all to indicate any mythology is involved in the puzzle.

Totally agree, and this is essentially what I’ve attempted to get across, any naming used in game IMPO likely does not actually relate to a specific wider mythologic narrative. If there is a correlation it’s more likely I suspect directly and superficially metaphorical. This I believe is a common writer’s mechanism?

In my current theory I’m looking for spatial relationships, the link is based on close proximity or physical trajectory based upon a shared metaphorical interpretation.

I think if we assume meaning too much into any mythology, and potentially take conjectured leaps where there are dead ends, we are obviously more likely to fall into any one of several possible outcomes, not necessarily ever knowing which might be correct.

Eg regards the Omphalos there are at minimum 3 separate, but interwoven sources. Blurred by time but contextually likely totally separate, in reality there are likely several other sources, because history is ultimately always re-written through poor interpretation. How can we assess which version FD utilises? Mythology is not cut n dry, it’s messy. It’s simply too wide.

It’s equally possible FD has utilised certain sources narratively, but ultimately it’s also evident they have mixed these, using them creatively.

It’s certainly healthy to tin-foil and data dive these stories - to better understand them, and this helps to contextualise, and then allow us to identify and interpret another link, through research, but we have to keep our perspectives open and accept we might be wrong.

Again I try and incorporate intelligence analysis which doesn’t ever look to establish a definitive truth but weigh data; in the absence of a method to establish how reliable this data is, we can never truly establish if one assessment is certain, we can only apply a level of possibility. I generally accept I’m always incorrect, until the level of potential correlation is too high to ignore.

So I’m all for mythical theories, but I’d advise to keep it academic, and at least apply a probability score, so as to weigh bias. As time moves on we might assess certain theories might be incorrect, or at most identify intelligence gaps, thats equally useful, because it allows us to move on, it’s always possible that all that research might become relevant elsewhere, so it’s not a waste of time but let’s try not and limit our perspectives.

To sum up

I suspect Brookes may have inserted multiple and specifically named systems, grouping and placing them intentionally; amongst others which weren’t. These systems may or may not have held some wider relevance, he then wove his story around them, or visa versa.

After his departure I suspect FD repurposed this architecture, adding their own over time.

This might be why IMPO the codex is so peculiar, it might be utilising several potentially unrelated sources to describe a path. At least this is my current hypothesis.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

There’s a lot of hypothesising based upon very little evidence.

I will do a write-up when I get some in me and fully wake up. The supporting evidence for the myth connection comes from the secret cabal that is rumored to control Raxxla. Secret societies have long-standing very specific ways of communication that go a long way to explaining that particular approach.

 

[Rochester]

Be careful, secret societies used esoteric symbolism as emblems of power, which were openly communicated to establish status, control or attribute worth to their philosophy.

Some secret societies appropriate other philosophies and twist meaning to suit, others are imaginings of a secular ruling class, to hide activities from the hoi polloi.

Secret communication has always existed, but was primarily utilised by agents as it is today, as intelligence, either to spread discontent, or data; it is usually mundane and within plain sight.

Any open esoteric communication could be seen as a tool. If you want to keep a secret you don’t advertise it.

Information is power so when you see such esoteric language it’s usually actually misdirection, propaganda; a conspiracy of secret societies is itself a tool for control and confusion, how best hide a secret through misinformation.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Older societies used esoteric symbolism as emblems of power, which were openly communicated to establish status, control or to imply meaning or worth to their philosophy or simply as propaganda.

Some societies appropriate other philosophies ignorantly or intentionally twisting its meaning to suit their needs, others are imaginings of a bored ruling class, to hide activities from the hoi polloi.

Secret communication has always existed, but was primarily utilised as it is today as intelligence, either to spread discontent, or data, usually against an oppressive society. Said secret communication was as it is now coded and not open nor esoteric.

If you want to keep a secret you simply don’t advertise it. Information is power.

I'd like to apologize for taking so long to write this up. So, without further delay...

Unfortunately, at some point in the process, I don't think you really have the luxury of ignoring it. We are told repeatedly to pay attention to the stories of the past by Salomé, GalNet in connection Lave and other story arcs, and the various codices themselves. Still, CMDRs seem to invent reasons for why the exact opposite should be done.

In order to follow this sage advice to study the old stories, there's a bit a roadblock by the name of Universal Cartographics. It's a tad bit ironic that which was done for ease of navigation for all is simultaneously the biggest of obstacles. Esotericism and shibboleths are but one of the tools to make quick work of any attempts to obscure the past. Esotericism tells you the ideas that are important. It should be noted, however, Heaven/Hell are less physical places than mindsets. Esotericism and the themes repeated in the lore is the road one is supposed to follow.

By the way, your interpretation is a bit off. Secret societies and groups so as the Gnostics, Pythagoreans, Platonists, and many others held Wisdom above all else. This is why the snakes and other symbols of wisdom are common. Power may come from knowledge but that doesn't mean it was driving force. After all, anyone can know something. The whole point is understanding it, though. Knowledge is worth nothing if it cannot be applied. Most "secret societies" operate by open secrecy as the goal is to enlighten not hide. It both achieves the ultimate goal of spreading this knowledge but keeps it to those who can understand how to use it. Humans are story-tellers. It is often easier to transmit knowledge via stories than explain it in these cases. There's a catch here: knowledge can be communicated readily but wisdom is much harder. This is where the stories come into play.

So, why don't I practice a bit more secrecy? First of all, secrecy is abhorrent. The very structures that were meant to help CMDRs were weaponized to keep us ignorant. Besides, an enlightened population is much harder to control. Transparency also raises the costs of hiding information from the larger population as it massively increases the costs of getting caught. Plus there's another benefit, you don't have to try to remember who knows what.

 

[simulacrae]

I like how the new thargoid ship is designed and named after the Glaive weapon from one of the cheeziest space fantasy save the princess movies… Krull.

 

[Rochester]

Trapped in Legacy, question: what are the central named systems where all Maelstroms reside, just want to replot them again, after discarding the data, so I can assess them against other elements?

 

[Macros Black]

Maelstrom Taranis: Hyades Sector FB-N B7-6
Maelstrom Indra: HIP 20567
Maelstrom Leigong: HIP 8887
Maelstrom Cocijo: Col 285 Sector BA-P C6-18
Maelstrom Oya: Cephei Sector BV-Y B4
Maelstrom Thor: Col 285 Sector IG-O C6-5
Maelstrom Raijin: Pegasi Sector IH-U B3-3
Maelstrom Hadao: HIP 30377

Fairly many ships destroyed...
Edit: And now long overdue Edsm.net Patreon.

 

[Darrack]

I'd like to apologize for taking so long to write this up. So, without further delay...

Unfortunately, at some point in the process, I don't think you really have the luxury of ignoring it. We are told repeatedly to pay attention to the stories of the past by Salomé, GalNet in connection Lave and other story arcs, and the various codices themselves. Still, CMDRs seem to invent reasons for why the exact opposite should be done.

In order to follow this sage advice to study the old stories, there's a bit a roadblock by the name of Universal Cartographics. It's a tad bit ironic that which was done for ease of navigation for all is simultaneously the biggest of obstacles. Esotericism and shibboleths are but one of the tools to make quick work of any attempts to obscure the past. Esotericism tells you the ideas that are important. It should be noted, however, Heaven/Hell are less physical places than mindsets. Esotericism and the themes repeated in the lore is the road one is supposed to follow.

By the way, your interpretation is a bit off. Secret societies and groups so as the Gnostics, Pythagoreans, Platonists, and many others held Wisdom above all else. This is why the snakes and other symbols of wisdom are common. Power may come from knowledge but that doesn't mean it was driving force. After all, anyone can know something. The whole point is understanding it, though. Knowledge is worth nothing if it cannot be applied. Most "secret societies" operate by open secrecy as the goal is to enlighten not hide. It both achieves the ultimate goal of spreading this knowledge but keeps it to those who can understand how to use it. Humans are story-tellers. It is often easier to transmit knowledge via stories than explain it in these cases. There's a catch here: knowledge can be communicated readily but wisdom is much harder. This is where the stories come into play.

So, why don't I practice a bit more secrecy? First of all, secrecy is abhorrent. The very structures that were meant to help CMDRs were weaponized to keep us ignorant. Besides, an enlightened population is much harder to control. Transparency also raises the costs of hiding information from the larger population as it massively increases the costs of getting caught. Plus there's another benefit, you don't have to try to remember who knows what.

As part of an ancient organisation which for thousands of years (Druids) has strived to impart knowledge via story's to others i am very much against secrecy.
Indeed our name derives from an old word meaning 'Oak knower or knowledge'.
Our ancestors didn't write anything down, unlike many religions there is no book, no scriptures, just experience passed by word of mouth in story's or songs by our bards and Overts.
We did have a basic written language in the early days 'Ogham', however to the best of our knowledge it was used more for directions, signs etc than actual text and just like Guardian signs, open to many interpretations.

There was however a time in our history where secrecy was a MUST and this can also tie in with ED (the Club/Dark Wheel) when we were persecuted by the incoming Christian faith.
Many hid and conduct Groves in secret for fear of being killed.
Fast forward a little to many of our greatest minds, Aristotle and Copernicus were both hated by the establishment for their views on the universe, the later published works under a pseudonym for fear of the Church.

Even amongst peers in a knowledge group many prefer to be anonymous or secretive due to fear of stubborn headed hierarchy who refuse new ideas, just as Chandrasekhar was mocked by his mentor for his discovery's (which later as we know were proven correct) we have all come across this even in our small Raxxla community.

I believe in cooperation and the only way to move forward is to share information, no matter how far fetched so that others can either prove or disprove theories.
Many times in scientific discovery's (especially in Astro Physics which i am not in anyway an expert but have spent the best part of 20 years researching) its often the case that many folks are working on the same theory without even knowing.
Many folks far wiser than us got things wrong, Einstein and my hero Professor Stephen Hawking both made mistakes, listening to others alternative ideas and then admitting you got it wrong takes guts but allows us to move on to solve our great quests.

I am always drawn back to Richard Dawkins and his 'Petwhac', many events that can happen to individuals may mean nothing, but put together they may just solve everything.

O7

 

[Rochester]

Princess Astrophil surrounded by the Spiralling Stars

*this post is under development as new data becomes available

Presented below are all of the Maelstrom’s central locations, relative to Sol. In an attempt to ascertain any commonality.

Initially these don’t appear to be distributed evenly around any common centre. However, to the eye they might look more like two sets of diamonds?

In assessing for potential correction, if we overlay a layer of systems based off my ramblings regarding the concept of an ‘underworld’, these diamonds seem to focus upon an area area between Sol and Persephone.

If we draw a sphere of influence from Sol to Achenar (2296) these diamonds do sit just outside its outer rim!

Ironically if you are situated at the system Axis Mundi in this underworld and look towards Delphi, your line of sight passes through the gap between these diamonds!

Also of note is the path of Jaques seems to go around the boundary of one of these diamonds.

Likely coincidence or pattern bias?

Surprisingly, Jormungand and Fintan both seem to sit in between these diamonds?

If we speculate even further, and pull up the generation ships layer too, there’s one potentially spooky correlation!

HR 2351 and the generation ship Epimetheus, where a prisoner was left behind and heard whispers in the void!

Even stranger…

I was able to plot the centres of both these diamonds (to the nearest known systems). From this we can extrapolate outwards, to identify an intersection point!

From this we can calculate an average focal point for all the Maelstroms, the nearest known system I could locate was the system called Mat Zemlya although the surrounding area may be equally worth investigating!

Mat Zemlya is an ancient Slavic Earth mother deity; since the adoption of Christianity it was later identified with Mary?

Is Mary a common theme? Relatively not too far away is LTT 606, ‘Marianne's Journey to Arcadia’ which I’ve postulated previously might be a metaphor for ‘Mary Sidney’, Marianne can be shortened to Mary.

Princess Astrophil aka ‘female royal star lover’ or female ‘Phil’ - Philip, his sister was Lady Mary Sidney, she like her brother were amateur astronomers, they also wrote a ‘child’s story’ (for she was but a child when they wrote it) The Countess of Pembroke's Arcadia.

In addition around Mat Zemlya are at least 3 systems to date all named after Lightning deities and this latitude marks the beginning of the region of L,Y,T, systems.

Other Cmdrs independently plot these Maelstroms to Alpha Hydri which is in the same relative area and is permit locked!

Almost used up my roll of tinfoil here! But by my calculations the combined maelstroms are certainly focused upon the lower celestial hemisphere just above Underworld, along the line of first discovered systems up to 2296!

Is this related? It’s a tower of tinfoil, but it’s based off locational relativity, it just feels odd how these theories seem to correlate.

I accept this is all highly unlikely, and wistful thinking, and considering the Maelstroms were introduced much later than Codex it’s unlikely these are the actual ‘spiralling stars’ unless parts of the Codex are narrative!

In the absence of any real solid data it’s as good as any other hotspot to focus attention around, the Maelstrom’s might not be linked.

I’m currently tooling around Persephone in Legacy, this might be a nice distraction, and fuel my endeavours looking for oddly named systems or potential correlations in this region; hopefully Mat Zemlya has a hyperspace market where I can stock up on tinfoil.

*edited:
Based upon further discoveries about the ‘zone of chaos’ which identifies a spherical zone around Sol as far as Erebus, which is outlined by systems named after gods of storms, thunder and lightning. This zone effectively identifies a Miltonian cosmological model in game.

Upon the outer rim of this zone sits Mat Zemlya.

It is my assessment that the Mealstroms are pointing to some aspect of the Raxxla mythology.

Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10281101

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Here is the Maelstrom in 3D, lines have been added to define the shape. I’m sure someone has done this previously but I can’t locate an example. Might not be relevant.

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Can these be linked in order to form a cube or does it twist? The story seems to indicate the Maelstroms are coordinating efforts to search for something or a series of things. Given the aliens are generally presumed intelligent, it may not be unreasonable they are searching for Raxxla. If formed into a singular block, is there a specific zone at the center? This doesn't have the hallmarks of an invasion. If they wanted us dead, all 8 would go to one place and then destroy anything in their path as they headed to the core of the Bubble.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Now if we overlay my ramblings on a concept of ‘the underworld’ it seems to sit somewhere in the focal point, not Sol, which is too high up.

The path of Jaques seems to go around them, while there seems to be some type of avenue between them. Ironically if you are situated at Axis Mundi and look to Delphi, your line of sight passes through this avenue?

Likely coincidence or pattern bias

The Underworld/Hel/Hades/etc was historically not a place of eternal punishment until the Abrahamic faiths came about. It was a place of cleansing. What if the Underworld zone is merely meant to highlight where our first contact with Raxxla happens? Even with the Art Tornvquist journal, it is mentioned he was a shipboard mechanic so the events likely happened whilst they traveled. Adding in a bit of history, that Tau Ceti was originally colonized by people traveling with Marlin Duval. Further, in modern times we have the employee of the Imperial Herald, Colm Tornquist. Tornquist and Tornvquist are but spelling variations on the same last name. This seems to further indicate at least an area of importance.

Colm Tornquist

Colm Tornquist is a reporter for the Imperial Herald. In February 3302, he reported on Chancellor Anders Blaine's plans to retake the Facece system. 04 FEB 3302 A little over two weeks ago, the Facece system was occupied by an independent faction known as the Allied Facece Order. The news sent...

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[Rochester]

Can these be linked in order to form a cube or does it twist? The story seems to indicate the Maelstroms are coordinating efforts to search for something or a series of things. Given the aliens are generally presumed intelligent, it may not be unreasonable they are searching for Raxxla. If formed into a singular block, is there a specific zone at the center? This doesn't have the hallmarks of an invasion. If they wanted us dead, all 8 would go to one place and then destroy anything in their path as they headed to the core of the Bubble.

Redrawing them ‘in order’ is a great idea, and will present a different alignment, although I am unsure of the said correct sequence? @Macros Black is the list you provided previously in sequence order?

FD have stated the Thargoids were looking for something, and I don’t believe either it’s an invasion, they could have wiped us out easily. This is a search and retrieval operation, is it Raxxla?

If those triangles are correct, if one were to insert such an arrangement in game, and you were inferring it correlated to something, it might either be something at a shared centre in the middle of these diamonds, or where there weren’t situated?

It’s possible they won’t find whatever’s they are looking for, it’s possible FD are utilising them as narrative clues, if we don’t find it / them, the most logical solution would not allow them to find it/them but to simply add another clue and goad us towards it?

Are the voids an indication of where to look? Just updated the maps include Gen Ships!

 

[Dox Paradox]

A peculiar set of systems draw my attention. Try searching XO on the galaxy map.
Visibly hand-picked systems from Xo-1 to XO-5, around the Bubble and very distant from each other's.