Going off the Hero's Journey theme perhaps hacking Primary Transport Authority (or whatever that installation way on the edge of Sol is called) out near Persephone with recon limpets. By the way, the bigger the limpet controller the faster it can hack into the system and start data extraction. Though, may be worth looking for an anarchy system with installations to get good at it. The few times I have done this every second matters.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Have migraine, so talked to Support regards Triton and Mother Gia, nothing complex, just asking why no permit is issued for this permit and got the following:
So intentionally unavailable at present (like Polaris) no plans in future to unlock. So likely it’s narrative or a narrative cul-de-sac, I can imagine there exist a lot of these in game.
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Hope you feel better soon mate! Funnily enough I had one threatening to start Sunday morning, with some odd visual effects...closed down the PC and lay quietly for a while until it stopped...maybe too much coffee.
The trouble with this sort of “narrative lock” is that there is supposed to be an accompanying narrative to explain it/give it context. I suspect the narrative was lost long ago-when I first got the Sol permit, early 2016, I went to Triton and there was a steady stream of npc military fed navy ships going to and departing from the moon. That traffic has stopped & never seen any hint of explanation.
The trouble with this sort of “narrative lock” is that there is supposed to be an accompanying narrative to explain it/give it context. I suspect the narrative was lost long ago-when I first got the Sol permit, early 2016, I went to Triton and there was a steady stream of npc military fed navy ships going to and departing from the moon. That traffic has stopped & never seen any hint of explanation.
Off-topic question.
Just upgraded the PC 256Gb system SSD to 2Tb. What’s the best way to use that extra space? I’ve currently got the new C drive partition extended to 1Tb and was wondering whether to add in an extra drive in the unallocated space or instead extend C out to fill it....
I know just enough about computers to be dangerous!
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Just been googling and found “Generally, around 10-20% free space is recommended to allow the SSD to perform its internal operations, such as garbage collection and wear leveling, efficiently.”
So, leave 200Gb to 400Gb unallocated on a 2Tb SSD?
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oooh, the Crucial Storage Executive utility has an option for "Over Provisioning"... need to read more!
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mmm, web consensus seems to be that SSD Over Provisioning is overcomplication & not necessary if the total used is less than 60% or so...
now to decide if I should have one large partition or two separate...
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Went with one large partition
Just upgraded the PC 256Gb system SSD to 2Tb. What’s the best way to use that extra space? I’ve currently got the new C drive partition extended to 1Tb and was wondering whether to add in an extra drive in the unallocated space or instead extend C out to fill it....
I know just enough about computers to be dangerous!
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Just been googling and found “Generally, around 10-20% free space is recommended to allow the SSD to perform its internal operations, such as garbage collection and wear leveling, efficiently.”
So, leave 200Gb to 400Gb unallocated on a 2Tb SSD?
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oooh, the Crucial Storage Executive utility has an option for "Over Provisioning"... need to read more!
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mmm, web consensus seems to be that SSD Over Provisioning is overcomplication & not necessary if the total used is less than 60% or so...
now to decide if I should have one large partition or two separate...
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Went with one large partition
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Isn't Conjoint Mathematic Services scientific installation in orbit of Neptune? I am pretty sure I went there personally. Given the story of the Ryder brother's split (they were notably connected via name to Neptune and Uranus - Neptune and Oberon). Having mentioned the brother's names - go check out Oberon which is landable.
My personal suspicion is Triton was the other brother's base. This theory, though, has a much darker component to it. We know Triton and Moon are permit locked (it actually states as much on the system map) which entails powerful people wanting it covered up. The darker part connects back to Amiay at Cooperworld, Beta Hydri, and Sol and the religious order that has one of its' three bases of operations in Sol. Oh, and where is Zachary "Calico Zach" Rackham's supposed home system? Part of me wants Rackham to win the upcoming election but part of me is terrfied what that may entail.
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Idea - perhaps we could take out our own Cobra Mk.III - rename registration it with "JJ-386".
Then fly over to Jameson's wrecked Cobra in HIP 12099, scan the data packages/core/beacons. Then fly round to the important places (Delphi, Sol, Sirius, INRA bases, TDW etc) to see if we get any additional hints.
Then fly over to Jameson's wrecked Cobra in HIP 12099, scan the data packages/core/beacons. Then fly round to the important places (Delphi, Sol, Sirius, INRA bases, TDW etc) to see if we get any additional hints.
Ah, just sorted out a Joystick Gremlin issue after my SSD upgrade & got back into game. Since I'd jumped out of Sol to Barnard's Star last time I flew I thought I might pop over to Tau Ceti to check out the planet 3 from an Inara ringed bodies search. Seems to be a bug in Inara search cos although the star system is Tau Ceti the body is then shown as HIP 30944 3, a GG with icy rings.
Additional possibility using the concept of shibboleths...
We appear to have a system named Poseidon (Greek equivalent of Neptune) somewhere in the Human Bubble. ED Companion and INARA seem to suggest anarchy system with only a star. Don't know if that indicates we should be scanning unidentified signal sources near suspected celestial bodies.
Oberon, sadly, doesn't seem to have any hints via secondary meanings of the name. I have suspicions that "The Dark Wheel" may have some hints at least about Raxxla. The Dark Wheel itself seems to be less so covered.
We appear to have a system named Poseidon (Greek equivalent of Neptune) somewhere in the Human Bubble. ED Companion and INARA seem to suggest anarchy system with only a star. Don't know if that indicates we should be scanning unidentified signal sources near suspected celestial bodies.
Oberon, sadly, doesn't seem to have any hints via secondary meanings of the name. I have suspicions that "The Dark Wheel" may have some hints at least about Raxxla. The Dark Wheel itself seems to be less so covered.
It might be worth noting that the word “Omphalos” has several different meanings:
And condensing all we know about Raxxla from the Codex:
“Legend of Raxxla has been circulating, in whispers, for centuries...mysterious place, the location of which is a deadly secret....unremarkable moon....Omphalos Rift described as a gateway/tunnel”
Now: that bit about circulating for centuries in whispers strongly suggests to me it’s orbiting and hidden; the Ancient Greek centre of the world was at Delphi where the omphalos stone was sited; “hub/focal point/central point” could mean a barycentre.
I’ve long thought that Raxxla may be hidden in Sol (Mars alien artefact strongly indicates prehistoric alien visitation) and the logo suggests Raxxla may be at or past Saturn (hexagonal storm nicknamed Omphalos by New York Times readers) or Neptune (dark bands of logo suggesting a trident). I’ve done a lot of investigation into Saturn and Neptune, but going past these the next (minor) planet out is Pluto. Pluto was the outer edge of Sol in the original game release (reminiscent of old E/F mission from Shinrarta, deleted early in 2016, which mentioned “obfuscated in the outer rim”). Perhaps those old E/F missions were deleted because that clue was deemed to be too obvious? And Sol was extended with additional bodies to make Raxxla harder to find? (Edit: wasnt that expansion of Sol in 2016 at around the same time that those E/F missions were removed?...ah yes, 25Oct2016 The Guardians 2.2 update https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-dangerous-the-guardians-2-2-update.300177/ under stellarforge...this is suspiciously close in time!) . This might also explain the phrase “outer rim” relating to TDW if TDW are just a red herring to obfuscate Raxxla’s location.
Pluto has an unremarkable moon Charon. Charon was the mythical ferryman of the dead over the river Styx to the Underworld and his name was supposed to be spoken only in whispers lest he be invoked. Together Pluto and Charon orbit a barycentre (which in-game has an associated bodyid, so clearly proximity to the barycentre could be tracked by the software). There is an installation named “Delphi Control Chapter” close to that barycentre.
My current hypothesis is that you either have to
(1) SC drop out at or very close to the barycentre to trigger the “omphalos event” (to download Raxxla from the FD server), say less than 50 km- the drop distance to enter a comet’s instance (and since comets are in-game SmallBody this would fit MB’s “you have to make some things a tiny little bit obvious”), or
(2) that the Omphalos trigger point is hidden in that Delphi Control Chapter installation.
Many have dropped at Halley’s Comet in Sol, which can be easily located via the galmap search bar, but nobody has reported that the Raxxla event was triggered. But has anyone dropped at the Pluto-Charon barycentre? It’s almost impossible to drop within 50Km....which makes it a very good hiding place.
The other possibility, that it is hidden within the installation, will incur combat and this could comply with the original criteria from Holdstock’s novella that “you have to be Elite” -my investigation on my last visit in my exploration ship had to be cut short as I got a trespass bounty and was being attacked from all sides. This fits the “deadly secret” phrase of the codex.
My arthritic thumbs and tendonitic wrists prevent anything other than minor combat. Anyone want to take on the challenge? Edit: though there’s a possibility the faction there (Sol Constitution Party IIRC) are TDW and perhaps you need to provide some form of support to that installation to gain access?
a religious stone artefact
the mythical stone that the Titan Rhea gave the Titan Cronos to swallow instead of the new born baby Zeus
navel, central point, hub, focal point
Hypothesis/book by Phillip Goss arguing for creationism
marble section of the floor of Hagia Sophia
And condensing all we know about Raxxla from the Codex:
“Legend of Raxxla has been circulating, in whispers, for centuries...mysterious place, the location of which is a deadly secret....unremarkable moon....Omphalos Rift described as a gateway/tunnel”
Now: that bit about circulating for centuries in whispers strongly suggests to me it’s orbiting and hidden; the Ancient Greek centre of the world was at Delphi where the omphalos stone was sited; “hub/focal point/central point” could mean a barycentre.
I’ve long thought that Raxxla may be hidden in Sol (Mars alien artefact strongly indicates prehistoric alien visitation) and the logo suggests Raxxla may be at or past Saturn (hexagonal storm nicknamed Omphalos by New York Times readers) or Neptune (dark bands of logo suggesting a trident). I’ve done a lot of investigation into Saturn and Neptune, but going past these the next (minor) planet out is Pluto. Pluto was the outer edge of Sol in the original game release (reminiscent of old E/F mission from Shinrarta, deleted early in 2016, which mentioned “obfuscated in the outer rim”). Perhaps those old E/F missions were deleted because that clue was deemed to be too obvious? And Sol was extended with additional bodies to make Raxxla harder to find? (Edit: wasnt that expansion of Sol in 2016 at around the same time that those E/F missions were removed?...ah yes, 25Oct2016 The Guardians 2.2 update https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-dangerous-the-guardians-2-2-update.300177/ under stellarforge...this is suspiciously close in time!) . This might also explain the phrase “outer rim” relating to TDW if TDW are just a red herring to obfuscate Raxxla’s location.
Pluto has an unremarkable moon Charon. Charon was the mythical ferryman of the dead over the river Styx to the Underworld and his name was supposed to be spoken only in whispers lest he be invoked. Together Pluto and Charon orbit a barycentre (which in-game has an associated bodyid, so clearly proximity to the barycentre could be tracked by the software). There is an installation named “Delphi Control Chapter” close to that barycentre.
My current hypothesis is that you either have to
(1) SC drop out at or very close to the barycentre to trigger the “omphalos event” (to download Raxxla from the FD server), say less than 50 km- the drop distance to enter a comet’s instance (and since comets are in-game SmallBody this would fit MB’s “you have to make some things a tiny little bit obvious”), or
(2) that the Omphalos trigger point is hidden in that Delphi Control Chapter installation.
Many have dropped at Halley’s Comet in Sol, which can be easily located via the galmap search bar, but nobody has reported that the Raxxla event was triggered. But has anyone dropped at the Pluto-Charon barycentre? It’s almost impossible to drop within 50Km....which makes it a very good hiding place.
The other possibility, that it is hidden within the installation, will incur combat and this could comply with the original criteria from Holdstock’s novella that “you have to be Elite” -my investigation on my last visit in my exploration ship had to be cut short as I got a trespass bounty and was being attacked from all sides. This fits the “deadly secret” phrase of the codex.
My arthritic thumbs and tendonitic wrists prevent anything other than minor combat. Anyone want to take on the challenge? Edit: though there’s a possibility the faction there (Sol Constitution Party IIRC) are TDW and perhaps you need to provide some form of support to that installation to gain access?
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Agreed, I see it as a focal point, the centre, potentially around which these clues revolve.
I’ve always suspected the “has been circulating, in whispers, for centuries” as potential clue, especially in regards to the various “whispers” narratives, such as with the Gen ships.
At first look these all seem too widely dispersed, but I’ve always wondered if viewed on their own do they triangulate towards a common centre? (ignoring Sol). Would seem a little obvious!
How many of these “whispers” were there! Or are these unrelated, discarded Guardian breadcrumbs?
I’ve always suspected the “has been circulating, in whispers, for centuries” as potential clue, especially in regards to the various “whispers” narratives, such as with the Gen ships.
At first look these all seem too widely dispersed, but I’ve always wondered if viewed on their own do they triangulate towards a common centre? (ignoring Sol). Would seem a little obvious!
How many of these “whispers” were there! Or are these unrelated, discarded Guardian breadcrumbs?
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Just got back in the bubble, this stuff is really interesting, will dust off the Mk3 tonight and have a fly around.
Never took much notice of Pluto, i was more interested in Persephone as in real terms its not actually a planet, but in Elite it is.
Also i never knew Halley's was in the system (been to the Voyagers), cheers for that, something else to look at.
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You could search back in this thread for posts by Pyroboros. Unfortunately that method was deemed verboten by FD & borked so is only of historic interest. But Halley’s comet is (was, not tried recently) targetable by the galmap searchbar and you can then fly to it in-system and drop out of SC at its location. However there is nothing to see! You just get the name displayed in the lower left HuD panel.
Don't forget that First Encounters journals had Bubble ships (possibly a form of generation ship) originate out of Wolf 630 and Phiagre (both of which are in game). There is also the tiny matter of Achenar getting humans but we still have no trace of the Mayflower 97. There is also the weirdness of the body Duval's Grave in Capella which is definitely not on a straight line path from Tau Ceti to Achenar. Lawrence's Grave is in the same system as is the Nobleworld. Capella is a Federation system. It would be weird as hell for Marlin Duval's brother to take her all the way up there to stage a death (it is 160.97 LY from Achenar). Sol to Achenar is 139.45 LY between the two.
Marlin Duval died in 2296.
Both Sol -> Capella and Tau Ceti -> Capella are about 42 lightyears (just barely over that).
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It might be worthwhile to plot an approximate route for the Mayflower 97 (Sol -> Tau Ceti -> Achenar) and see if discovery of Raxxla didn't happen enroute to Achenar. In which case, Marlin Duval's death may have happened when she went back to find it. There are two planets named Discovery in Antares and Exphiay.
Sol -> Achenar: 139.45 LY
Sol -> Arcturus: 36.71 LY
Achenar -> Arcturus: 169.67 LY
Sol -> Exphiay: 313.90
Achenar -> Exphiay: 225.72 LY
I suspect Marlin Duval's desire to get as far as possible from Sol should be reasonably factored into this, too. Arcturus is discovered too late to be a candidate at 3304. Exphiay I don't think we have good data on and I am pretty sure I haven't been there, yet.
Mayflower 97 could get 0.6 LY/year which means by 2296 the maximum distance is as follows:
(2296-2097) * 0.6 lightyears/year = 119.4 LY
Back to the Mayflower 97..
Sol > Tau Ceti: 11.94 LY
119.40 LY - 11.94 LY = 107.46 LY
The other implication here is Marlin Duval did not get to Achenar or my mathematics here is screwed up.
Sol -> Achenar: 139.45 LY
Sol -> Arcturus: 36.71 LY
Achenar -> Arcturus: 169.67 LY
Sol -> Exphiay: 313.90
Achenar -> Exphiay: 225.72 LY
I suspect Marlin Duval's desire to get as far as possible from Sol should be reasonably factored into this, too. Arcturus is discovered too late to be a candidate at 3304. Exphiay I don't think we have good data on and I am pretty sure I haven't been there, yet.
Mayflower 97 could get 0.6 LY/year which means by 2296 the maximum distance is as follows:
(2296-2097) * 0.6 lightyears/year = 119.4 LY
Back to the Mayflower 97..
Sol > Tau Ceti: 11.94 LY
119.40 LY - 11.94 LY = 107.46 LY
The other implication here is Marlin Duval did not get to Achenar or my mathematics here is screwed up.
It is entirely possible we are trying to find Mayflower 97 because it appears that it should not have gotten more than 107.46 LY from Tau Ceti. Relevant journal from First Encounters:
Mayflower 2097 is canonical per GalNet entry "Galactic News: Generation Ships" which cities departure as 2097 which matches the journal's claims (source: https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57b6f0089657ba686d4f8629 ).
There's a plot twist, though. Mayflower 97 may have never gotten back out of Tau Ceti...
Mayflower 2097 is canonical per GalNet entry "Galactic News: Generation Ships" which cities departure as 2097 which matches the journal's claims (source: https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57b6f0089657ba686d4f8629 ).
There's a plot twist, though. Mayflower 97 may have never gotten back out of Tau Ceti...
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So, maybe the Raxxla journal actually got written in Tau Ceti. Perhaps, they found the frozen hull of Mayflower 97 in Tau Ceti. That does, however, leave some questions unanswered about how in the hell Achenar actually got settled.
Anyone know the puzzle of the 6 pointed star, worth a shot haven't seen it in here yet
The outer numbers may spell a system name or give proper coords
The outer numbers may spell a system name or give proper coords
Added extra alphabet based off of dots dashes....
In the Dark Wheel they spent some time describing the face of Patrick McGreavy....
"But it was not the wizened, crusty old space trader who appeared on the screen as Alex accepted the call. Nothing like.
It was a human being, and not a humanoid alien that faced them. But what had happened to its face was beyond description. There were many ways to change ordinary human looks to nightmarish caricatures of the same: flying too close to certain stars, being exposed to the interstellar vacuum too often, working in certain ore and mineral mines . . . But Alex, as he stared at the lumpy, grey swellings that swathed this person's flesh, could not imagine what grotesque disaster had befallen the caller.
Lips like quivering gossamer wings trembled in the grey flesh. A hand, skeletal and crippled, shot through with bright red blood vessels, touched the wispy ginger hair that grew in a bizarre floral circle around the deformed head."
Ok, we’ve seen DB’s face in a sonogram from a station. So from the above clearly Raxxla is a sonogram pic of Rafe Zetter....or maybe a guy with a face like a grey cauliflower.....
Job done, sounds boring, let’s go home
Job done, sounds boring, let’s go home
A thought occured...
We are told in the codex that TDW are “a legendary group of adventurers, explorers, investigators and treasure-hunters”
Such adventurers & explorers undertake “ventures”
Parties of people who undertake ventures are Venturers
The faction who hold the Delphi Control Chapter installation at Pluto-Charon barycentre is
Sol Constitution Party...
Parties undertake ventures...so possibly an obfuscated name?
Sol Constitution Venturers? ... SCV
A wheel is a cycle, like a cyclic shift, perhaps a Caesar cypher...
SCV one place shifted becomes TDW
The Greek Omphalos Stone was located in the temple at Delphi...
Just a thought
We are told in the codex that TDW are “a legendary group of adventurers, explorers, investigators and treasure-hunters”
Such adventurers & explorers undertake “ventures”
Parties of people who undertake ventures are Venturers
The faction who hold the Delphi Control Chapter installation at Pluto-Charon barycentre is
Sol Constitution Party...
Parties undertake ventures...so possibly an obfuscated name?
Sol Constitution Venturers? ... SCV
A wheel is a cycle, like a cyclic shift, perhaps a Caesar cypher...
SCV one place shifted becomes TDW
The Greek Omphalos Stone was located in the temple at Delphi...
Just a thought