Danube, a major European river
Also bare in mind that the Danube was the centre of our creation story (for us Druids) as told in 'The Ever Living Ones', this is where our great tree was formed.
All of life spread out from there.
Rivers have a huge place in our hearts as they are the gateweay to the afterlife (or true realm depending on your view), so water is both the beginning and the passage to new realms.
I still believe all pagan gods are the same (im of Irish pagan belief) just with different names.

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Just found our missing river to this Yggradasil business..

The river is the constellation Eridanus that ends at Achenar.




Achenar's other designation: Alpha Eridanus
Eradinus has been part of a couple of ED's mystery events. It has been used as a hint in the Salome / Zurara event and in at least one Millionaire treasure hunt.
 
As above so below a possible triad of goddesses

Whilst looking over my mapping of the ‘Older gods’ and layering them with the path of Brookes Galactic Tours, there is an interesting potential association with a hypothetical triad of goddesses in the underworld.

Firstly we have a suspected association with the Demeter, Artemis and Hecate triad being potentially referenced in Brookes ‘Legacy’ this I presume is allusion to the myth of Persephone. Which in game leads us to the underworld / lost realms area.

The following link shows the ‘older gods’ shown in game: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-10198372

In the diagram below the first path of Brookes Galactic Tour is shown in relation to these older gods, this path intersects an area surrounded by three female goddesses.

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Dana- Celtic goddess, of fertility, also known as Anu and Danu or Don. Shes revered as the mother of the ‘Tuatha Dé Danann’, a race of supernatural beings in Irish mythology (Old Irish: "The peoples of the goddess Danu” aka ‘People of Danann’. Possibly a river goddess too, there exists no direct historical references to Dana but it’s believed she is a call back to Danube, a major European river that Celtic tribes would have followed during their early migrations. Her Roman versions may be Gia or Demeter., but there are no direct associations.

Idunn - Norse goddess, of fertility, also known as Freyja. She possesses the Eski a wooden box for personal goods, which she uses to hold the apples of eternal youth, the food of the gods, she resided in Asgard. The apples may also be known as the Apples of Hel; she may also be known as the guardian goddess of the life-giving fruit of the ‘other-world’. Idunn was also abducted in one of the Norse mythologies.

Epona - Celtic goddess, of fertility, horse goddess, linked to the Arcadian mysteries as a version of Demeter. In Holdstock’s Lost Realms she is noted and that King Aurthur rode under the banner of Epona as a moon goddess.
As, in my native Brazil, the Candomblé faith is based mostly on Yoruba practices, I got some other systems to point as well (there's several ways to transliterate those names, making things a bit harder):

Ashe - also Ase or Axé; not an Orisha, but a primordial force that moves the world, given by Olodumaré to everything, even the immaterial.
Yemaia - AKA Yemoya, Yemaya, Iemanjá, you name it; Orisha of water, motherhood and the Moon. Fun fact: my birthday (February 2) is a municipal holiday in my hometown of Porto Alegre dedicated to Our Lady of Navigators, one of Virgin Mary's countless titles. Thanks to Catholic syncretism, Iemanjá gets celebrations and offerings to her on the same day.
Eshu - also known as Esu, Echú, Exú...; Orisha of balance, a trickster and messenger. A complex one, represented by several avatars (called paths) and considered to be the basis for Papa Legba in Vodou. His association with crossroads, combined with his status as a trickster deity, make him strongly (but inaccurately IMO) associated with the underworld.
Oxossi and Ochosi - also known as Oshosi or Ososi, plus others; Orisha of hunters.
Orishala and Orisala - also known as Obatala, Ochala or Oxalá; the eldest Orisha and creator of humankind. As an amusing note, Yoruba tradition holds that he was supposed to create Earth beforehand as well, but he was too drunk to perform it and thus Oduduwa beat him to the punch.

Strange to me is the absence of Ogun, the Orisha of warriors and smiths, as he's a very important one - to the point of being featured in the Shin Megami Tensei series; and of Oshun, the Orisha of prosperity, love and beauty and wife of Shango.
Osanyin, the Orisha of herbs and medicine, could not be found either - but this one has way too many spellings even for Orisha standards so I've likely missed it.
 
As, in my native Brazil, the Candomblé faith is based mostly on Yoruba practices, I got some other systems to point as well (there's several ways to transliterate those names, making things a bit harder):

Ashe - also Ase or Axé; not an Orisha, but a primordial force that moves the world, given by Olodumaré to everything, even the immaterial.
Yemaia - AKA Yemoya, Yemaya, Iemanjá, you name it; Orisha of water, motherhood and the Moon. Fun fact: my birthday (February 2) is a municipal holiday in my hometown of Porto Alegre dedicated to Our Lady of Navigators, one of Virgin Mary's countless titles. Thanks to Catholic syncretism, Iemanjá gets celebrations and offerings to her on the same day.
Eshu - also known as Esu, Echú, Exú...; Orisha of balance, a trickster and messenger. A complex one, represented by several avatars (called paths) and considered to be the basis for Papa Legba in Vodou. His association with crossroads, combined with his status as a trickster deity, make him strongly (but inaccurately IMO) associated with the underworld.
Oxossi and Ochosi - also known as Oshosi or Ososi, plus others; Orisha of hunters.
Orishala and Orisala - also known as Obatala, Ochala or Oxalá; the eldest Orisha and creator of humankind. As an amusing note, Yoruba tradition holds that he was supposed to create Earth beforehand as well, but he was too drunk to perform it and thus Oduduwa beat him to the punch.

Strange to me is the absence of Ogun, the Orisha of warriors and smiths, as he's a very important one - to the point of being featured in the Shin Megami Tensei series; and of Oshun, the Orisha of prosperity, love and beauty and wife of Shango.
Osanyin, the Orisha of herbs and medicine, could not be found either - but this one has way too many spellings even for Orisha standards so I've likely missed it.
Would this be similar to the Anima Mundi or "world soul" concept? Many of the Triple Deities / Cthonic Deities were in essence the "world soul" of that particular mythological system serving to bridge the divide between new and old, life and death, seasons, etc. Additionally, many of them had huge domains of control: Sea, Earth, and Sky.

There are good reasons the only goddess feared by Zeus was Hecate or Nyx. The darkness is many times more powerful than the light (because darkness is required to form light - see stellar evolution cycle). For all of Zeus' power, he wouldn't be king of the Olympic Pantheon if it weren't for his brother Hades, Hades' wife Persephone, and either Hekate or Nyx all allying with him. I get the feeling that The Dark Wheel holds a similar place in the Elite Universe. This is all the more true if Peregrina is what I feel it might be.
 
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I am thinking Eridanus is again important. It leads directly to Orion.

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Also, Orion is attacking Taurus which has Pleiades at its heart. There have been too much that ended and started at the Pleiades and the general region of Barnard's Loop (INRA, INRA defeated by Argent, Janus Incorporated, the revived Alliance effort to make contact at Cooper Research Centre/Hyford saga, Merope Expeditionary Fleet, etc).

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Pleiades is literally the heart of Taurus.
 
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Since Achenar is at the foot of Eridanus then the Lost Realms region is below that end but perhaps travelling through key systems in Eridanus is required? Are Artemis, Hecate, Demeter or other Paradise Lost/mythological systems in the constellation? (There are dozens of stars in the HIP catalogue in the constellation but many stars are renamed - yet they should still respond to their catalogue names).
(I think you have to be in or very close to Sol to see the constellations on the Galaxy Map as they soon get distorted).
 
I am thinking Eridanus is again important. It leads directly to Orion.

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Also, Orion is attacking Taurus which has Pleiades at its heart. There have been too much that ended and started at the Pleiades and the general region of Barnard's Loop (INRA, INRA defeated by Argent, Janus Incorporated, the revived Alliance effort to make contact at Cooper Research Centre/Hyford saga, Merope Expeditionary Fleet, etc).

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Pleiades is literally the heart of Taurus.
The traditional opposite end of Eridanus is Cursa, AKA "Orion's footstool" as it appears close to Rigel; Lambda Eridani and Psi Eridani used to share the same etymology and thus must be considered, but EDSM doesn't list them by their Bayer designation so their names on Elite must be something else. Hmm.
 
They may be in ED under their designations in the HR (bright stars) catalogue or HIP catalogue (from the Hipparcos satellite, which measured distances through the parallax method). There needs to be a distance measurement for it to be in ED, which is why HIP was one of the main catalogues chosen.

On the system map, it shows the other names from catalogues that each star is known by and any of these can be used to find them in the Gal Map search. EDIT: psi Eridani is HIP 23364 and lambda Eridani is HIP 23972.
 
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The PF is basically our union. Still we don't know how it works.
If by union you mean:
La Famiglia
Camorra
Family
Mafia
Cosa Nostra
Syndicate

Judas Syndicate
Consortium

Then sure, I'll gladly agree.

The good news: I am who I say I am.
The bad news: I am who I say I am.

Some light reading on our core infrastructure. What you honestly thought that Coriolis stations didn't look slightly alien? Also, who had shielded cities? Yes, we have those, too (see the large stadium-esque ports).

Also, you are an ASSET. This is why we ensure your safe recovery. Good agents take a lot of training.

The line between things is at best faint and ambiguous. The Ryders acquired their ships via outsmarting fellow pilots (though believe the exact wording was pirate). But where is the line between pirate and bounty hunter? That line depends on who the law sides with at a given time and place.

The short version: Thargoid origin story is true but at the same time, language is fundamentally ambiguous construct and relativism certainly applies.
 
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They may be in ED under their designations in the HR (bright stars) catalogue or HIP catalogue (from the Hipparcos satellite, which measured distances through the parallax method). There needs to be a distance measurement for it to be in ED, which is why HIP was one of the main catalogues chosen.

On the system map, it shows the other names from catalogues that each star is known by and any of these can be used to find them in the Gal Map search. EDIT: psi Eridani is HIP 23364 and lambda Eridani is HIP 23972.
The only thing stopping me from looking up GalMap was working hours. 😁
So, they're 65 Psi Eridani and 69 Lambda Eridani, both in the vicinity of the Witch Head enclave... and far closer to Rigel, which is also on the same region (while Cursa is in the bubble).
 
Also bare in mind that the Danube was the centre of our creation story (for us Druids) as told in 'The Ever Living Ones', this is where our great tree was formed.
All of life spread out from there.
Rivers have a huge place in our hearts as they are the gateweay to the afterlife (or true realm depending on your view), so water is both the beginning and the passage to new realms.
I still believe all pagan gods are the same (im of Irish pagan belief) just with different names.

O7
I am still mapping Holdstocks book, picking it apart analytically, this is a little time consuming seeing as I’m in the middle of a house re-build / side note the upside is I’m aiming to convert my basement into a modern games room! (Potentially might get myself a new PC, and finally upgrade my backers LTP to Odyssey). Any way - rivers are important!

Apart from the obvious historical associations; in Holdstock’s book - Lost Realms, rivers are identified as pathways or portals, as well as mountains and or hills.

As I’ve mentioned previously, many of these Holdstock realms are duplicated in game, but the author of these in game systems (Brookes and/or Stroud?) have injected additional similar alternatives, only adding to the cacophony of realms, and some of these are referencing sunken lands (eg Atlantis or Ys). So yes the sea, water or rivers do flow through these realms.

Interestingly enough these realms (so far) are abutting against the lowest part of Yggdrasil, they don’t ‘merge’. This I find interesting because one of these Norse mythological systems Jotunheim is itself described as an ‘other-land’ on the edge of the world.

This ties in with Holdstock’s imaginations and further (I feel) establishes the area between them as being of some import. I hope to find more time to complete these maps as there is a significant gap and it will, I am certain, further establish this hypothesis and potentially help identify further information.
 
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I am still mapping Holdstocks book, picking it apart analytically, this is a little time consuming seeing as I’m in the middle of a house re-build / side note the upside is I’m aiming to convert my basement into a modern games room! (Potentially might get myself a new PC, and finally upgrade my backers LTP to Odyssey). Any way-rivers are important!

Apart from the obvious historical associations; in Holdstock’s Lost Realms rivers are identified as pathways to these realms or ‘other worlds’.

In game as I’ve mentioned, many of these realms are duplicated in game, but the author (Brookes and/or Stroud?) have injected additional alternatives, adding to the cacophony of realms, and some of these are referencing sunken lands (eg Atlantis or Ys). So yes water or rivers do flow through these realms.

Interesting enough these realms (so far) are abutting against the lowest part of Yggdrasil, they don’t ‘merge’. This I find interesting because one of these Norse mythological systems Jotunheim is itself described as an ‘other-land’ on the edge of the world.

This ties in with Holdstock’s imaginations and further (I feel) establishes the area between them as being of some import. I hope to find more time to complete these maps as there is a significant gap and it will, I am certain, further establish this hypothesis and potentially help identify further information.
Looking back at the books map
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The connection of the systems to the black holes is very much a river from the Devils shroud to Urgenirk Darks.
Just noticed point 14 listed as 'Station'? need to re read the book.

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Better view to add to @Darrack posting. This appears to somewhere above Milky Way off of Saramond's Rift. Given Landscape Signal was just confirmed as intended behavior per a recent ticket, perhaps there is something harnessing Sagr A* (the Milky Way's central blackhole). I very much get the feeling though we have to first understand the parts closer to the Bubble, first. Though, 14 (Station) very much looks like a globular cluster or satellite galaxy to the Milky Way. The galaxy at bottom left just appears to be Milky Way angled with more detail. The Devil's Shroud (river looking area in upper middle) might be Orion Molecular Cloud Complex/Barnard's Loop as it obscures a significant stretch of sky.

Note: Earlier I had pointed out Eridanus goes directly towards Orion which has quite a number of blackholes (15) in the region.
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Okay, I don't have one. What's the maximum range of Jumpaconda? Drew's video cited 655 LY via "wormholes". Even propaganda is right occasionally to be believable. Nothing meant against him, he had no idea of the deeper narrative that was being crafted. Antares and Starship One used Hydrogen, we had Hydrogen pre-GalCop (see Reorte and Sirius), and fuel scooping at least as far back as invasion of Achenar. I am just trying to figure out how to close the gap between reported maximum of a Jumpaconda vs this rumored 655 LY figure.
 
Okay, I don't have one. What's the maximum range of Jumpaconda? Drew's video cited 655 LY via "wormholes". Even propaganda is right occasionally to be believable. Nothing meant against him, he had no idea of the deeper narrative that was being crafted. Antares and Starship One used Hydrogen, we had Hydrogen pre-GalCop (see Reorte and Sirius), and fuel scooping at least as far back as invasion of Achenar. I am just trying to figure out how to close the gap between reported maximum of a Jumpaconda vs this rumored 655 LY figure.
I think you can get 85/86 LY from an Annie so thats 172LY on premium, my Annie does 83.36 but im not dropping below a 5A PP, its paper thin as it is and i only use it as a carrier based explorer for high up.

O7
 
I think you can get 85/86 LY from an Annie so thats 172LY on premium, my Annie does 83.36 but im not dropping below a 5A PP, its paper thin as it is and i only use it as a carrier based explorer for high up.

O7
Correct that you can get just over 88LY if you drop the fuel tank down to 3C but that gives you one jump :ROFLMAO:

O7
 
I think you can get 85/86 LY from an Annie so thats 172LY on premium, my Annie does 83.36 but im not dropping below a 5A PP, its paper thin as it is and i only use it as a carrier based explorer for high up.

O7
Neutron boosting (300% increase over normal)...
~255 LY

Premium Fuel Injection (100%) + Neutron boost (300%)= (hypothetical - suspected not possible)
~340 LY

Possible ways to close the gap:

  • "You called an Engineer?" (performance vs mass - the "I don't need no engineers" strategy) (potentially significant)*
  • Deep Charge for FSD grade 4 or lower (negligible)
  • Mass Manager for FSD grade 5 or higher (negligible)
  • Engineered module mass reductions + engineered boost (possibly significant)
  • Guardian FSD booster (medium impact)
Suspect you would need to combine strategies. Still, I have to believe this must be possible. It would be huge as a ship could out jump a carrier.

Which means either there is something more exotic than neutron stars with a bigger boost (~600%) or there is an as-yet uncovered jump mechanic. I get the feeling Drew Wagar was given that figure by either Michael Brookes or David Braben himself.

*-Think bare minimums to get the job done with maximal increase in ship stats with factory parts.
 
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